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  • Simply_Logical
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    I can understand why some peeps would say no

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  • Eorlingas
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    Originally posted by isa_muhammad View Post

    Not really..

    "If all the trees were pens, and all the oceans ink , and seven more besides, the words of your Lord would not be exhausted"

    In other words, the Qur'an is a "mere drop in the ocean". It does not explain everything in detail.
    ..of course, it is enough for us .. we can differentiate between truth and falsehood.

    However, just because an account does not give the full story does NOT mean that some Biblical narrations are wrong.
    Eve might have been seduced by satan and then Adam was convinced by her to sin .. or maybe not.

    In any case, that is not what I was getting at.
    The main point of my post was to show that Adam had no choice to marry this person or that. How many women were alive at this time?
    He had to be content with what he had. Alhamdulillah!

    ..and yes .. I'm aware we are living in the 21st century.
    I'm aware of the pitfalls of taking on the responsibility of marriage.
    Naturally, it is important that we marry a suitable person. It is ALSO important, that we
    don't think too highly of ourselves, accusing our partners of being "bad"

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  • isa_muhammad
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    Originally posted by Mintchocchip View Post
    From your replies to me and I have seen your other posts/replies across the forum you do go off topic and avoid the question being asked to you..
    Sorry .. can you forgive an old man? :crushed:

    Originally posted by Mintchocchip View Post
    There is something not quite right about what he says most of the time..
    You are not the only one to think so..
    We all have preconceived ideas, including me.
    My daughters are 'Alima's and went to a Hanafi Madrasah .. Alhamdulillah
    I am not "hanafi" though
    Last edited by isa_muhammad; 09-09-19, 08:29 PM.

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  • Abu julaybeeb
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    Originally posted by Medic View Post

    Fair enough that's fine.

    Do you mean in the past on this thread or another? If it this thread, I'll just scroll back.
    Both

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  • Medic
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    Fair enough that's fine.

    Do you mean in the past on this thread or another? If it this thread, I'll just scroll back.

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  • Abu julaybeeb
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    I dont want to say and anyway it wouldnt benefit you in anyway trust me

    what i have said in the past in regards to what to do is the advice 
    Last edited by Abu julaybeeb; 09-09-19, 03:53 PM.

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  • Rahma.
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    Originally posted by Mintchocchip View Post

    I understand you are only trying to be helpful but you do not know how much me or any of the users you quoted know/have researched/learnt from qualified islamic teachers about the topic. InshaAllah your post will benefit users of this forum.

    The point of me asking him for reference was obvious, to see where he actually got his information from and he failed to provide it.

    There is something not quite right about what he says most of the time and he has again proved he twists what he says and goes off topic and avoids what is being asked.


    Yes sis, that's ok, (you don't have to answer to me why you asked). I just posted it for information purpose and thought the users might be interested in the discussion on it in case they've not come across it before, (as I hadn't for some time) though I'm aware members have come across more material and knowledge than I have, ma sha Allah. (The bit in brackets was about myself and what I have come to realise personally.) :)

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  • Medic
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    Originally posted by Ya'sin View Post

    can I ask what kind of mistakes they made? Was it obvious at the time or something well hidden from people and the community as a whole

    The guy was a pretty patient person with the woman for about 1.5 years. Eventually the decisions/secrets that she made without his input or that she hid from him started breaking down his patience bit by bit and mentally affected him and he just ended up becoming bitter. In the bitterness he became short tempered to people sometimes outside at work and also emotionally abusive at times with her even if she tried to do things differently and change. He became further away from religion over time ie stopped praying. Took him a year to remove the short temperedness/emotionally abusive side of him from his system and slowly regain his faith. He acknowledged them as his own mistakes afterwards even if she did mistreat him, from his eyes he shouldn't have become like that and noone forced him to be emotionally abusive

    Wasn't obvious to people. Some people are good at hiding their pain or problems.

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  • Ya'sin
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    can I ask what kind of mistakes they made? Was it obvious at the time or something well hidden from people and the community as a whole


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  • Mintchocchip
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    Originally posted by Rahma. View Post

    There is/has been discussions on this:


    https://abuaminaelias.com/meat-would...d-her-husband/

    I read another say the Hadith about Hawwa (as) doesn't mention tree so it's not about that incident. (I refrain from linking it as I don't know who owns the site or what it's about.)


    Allah knows best.
    I understand you are only trying to be helpful but you do not know how much me or any of the users you quoted know/have researched/learnt from qualified islamic teachers about the topic. InshaAllah your post will benefit users of this forum.

    The point of me asking him for reference was obvious, to see where he actually got his information from and he failed to provide it.

    There is something not quite right about what he says most of the time and he has again proved he twists what he says and goes off topic and avoids what is being asked.



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  • Mintchocchip
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    Originally posted by isa_muhammad View Post

    OK then, I asked the question "should Adam have divorced Eve?" in a light-hearted manner.
    That is why I said that no answer was needed.

    rahma gives us refs. above that refers to a hadith about this subject .. did you read them?

    Does "who was to blame" make any difference to my point?
    Let's say that they are both to blame [which in fact they are .. in fact Adam has more blame as he is responsible for his wife],
    the fact remains that if he divorced Eve FOR ANY REASON, he ends up with "no queen".

    i.e. loses half of his deen

    I'm sorry if anybody finds this type of conversation disrespectful in any way .. I certainly don't.
    I find it enlightening.
    It is not intended as a criticism of prophets and their wives.
    Some people consider Islam to be "black & white" .. some issues surely are, but others are not.

    As Allah SWT says in Qur'an .. some things are clear and others allegorical.
    There are also 1000's of hadith. Yes, we try to classify them as 'sound', 'weak' etc, but they are still not as reliable as Qur'an.
    i.e. not black & white
    There are some things you don't joke about or as you have called it "talk about in a light hearted manner".

    You said in post no #115 that "she led him astray" and I just asked where you got that from.

    Then post #118 you say nevertheless "if it was Eve" OK, there is a slight twist to what you originally said.

    I did not mention blame anywhere. You infact mention it in this post that I have quoted.

    My original reply was nothing to do with blame either, just asked you for reference but you went off tangent and going on about blame.

    From your replies to me and I have seen your other posts/replies across the forum you do go off topic and avoid the question being asked to you.



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  • Medic
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    Originally posted by Ya'sin View Post
    My traumatic experience (lol it seems dramatic but it really is :/......) has created this fear surrounding marriage and searching for someone

    I don't know when I will recover and when I will think good of others or when my trust will be firm

    Just don't let other people's experience skew your mentality

    Whatever happens, it's meant to happen, written in your takdeer

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  • Ya'sin
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    My traumatic experience (lol it seems dramatic but it really is :/......) has created this fear surrounding marriage and searching for someone

    I don't know when I will recover and when I will think good of others or when my trust will be firm

    Just don't let other people's experience skew your mentality

    Whatever happens, it's meant to happen, written in your takdeer

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  • Medic
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    Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post

    Because ive experienced it and seen people do wrong and lie

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  • isa_muhammad
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    Originally posted by Mintchocchip View Post
    My intention was not to make it a fight..
    OK

    Originally posted by Mintchocchip View Post
    How can you joke about something like that and of course I did not realise it was a joke.
    OK then, I asked the question "should Adam have divorced Eve?" in a light-hearted manner.
    That is why I said that no answer was needed.

    Originally posted by Mintchocchip View Post
    Why? Would it be because it states:-

    "Then the Shaytaan whispered to Adam and his wife, and tempted them to eat from the forbidden tree. Adam forgot and could not resist the temptation, so he disobeyed his Lord and ate from that tree"

    This is an opinion of somebody, which of course they are entitled to .. it also doesn't give details on HOW they were tempted..
    Does it matter that much to you who was to blame?

    rahma gives us refs. above that refers to a hadith about this subject .. did you read them?

    Does "who was to blame" make any difference to my point?
    Let's say that they are both to blame [which in fact they are .. in fact Adam has more blame as he is responsible for his wife],
    the fact remains that if he divorced Eve FOR ANY REASON, he ends up with "no queen".

    i.e. loses half of his deen

    I'm sorry if anybody finds this type of conversation disrespectful in any way .. I certainly don't.
    I find it enlightening.
    It is not intended as a criticism of prophets and their wives.
    Some people consider Islam to be "black & white" .. some issues surely are, but others are not.

    As Allah SWT says in Qur'an .. some things are clear and others allegorical.
    There are also 1000's of hadith. Yes, we try to classify them as 'sound', 'weak' etc, but they are still not as reliable as Qur'an.
    i.e. not black & white
    Last edited by isa_muhammad; 09-09-19, 10:35 AM.

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