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  • #46
    Re: Is homeschooling hard?

    Originally posted by Gingerbeardman View Post
    I would strongly urge you to keep looking into this, in talking to some of the youth in my area, I have heard things about these schools which shows I under-estimated how bad they are, massively.

    the evils of secularism, liberalism and post-modernism are the norm now in society, prepare for it to be rammed down your kids throats from nursery onward should you put them in school.

    https://gingerbeardmansite.wordpress...stern-schools/
    I was totally against state schooling but because of my current situation I just don't know how feasible it would be to homeschool. I am definitely going to have to think it through properly though because my three year old told me that Ryan lies down on me in nursery i mean, what?!

    In addition to this, giving that school places are given based on catchment areas, I'm not in an area where it's predominately Muslim and another thing which would concern me is the possibility of my child eating haram at school.

    I'm very annoyed at Muslim schools as I put my daughters name down for a nursery place from the age of 2 & they lost the application, I then re added her and again they lost it.

    :jkk: for the link, will have a read
    https://islamicgemsandpearls.wordpress.com

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    • #47
      Is homeschooling hard?

      :rotfl:

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      • #48
        Re: Is homeschooling hard?

        Originally posted by Ghuraba321 View Post
        :rotfl:
        What's so funny?
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        • #49
          Re: Is homeschooling hard?

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          Originally posted by Layla_ View Post
          I was totally against state schooling but because of my current situation I just don't know how feasible it would be to homeschool. I am definitely going to have to think it through properly though because my three year old told me that Ryan lies down on me in nursery i mean, what?!

          In addition to this, giving that school places are given based on catchment areas, I'm not in an area where it's predominately Muslim and another thing which would concern me is the possibility of my child eating haram at school.

          I'm very annoyed at Muslim schools as I put my daughters name down for a nursery place from the age of 2 & they lost the application, I then re added her and again they lost it.

          :jkk: for the link, will have a read
          Layla - i promised you a document that i will type for you.
          Firstly please forgive the time delay as i have much to do but i did start it. Its not all of it but will come in parts.
          Its much to think about and probably many points already covered but I guess reading it all in go might solidfy certain points and myths.

          As I said there is more to come including the other side of the coin.

          Home Schooling
          Before home schooling your child you need to have a realistic idea on what grades you want your child to achieve

          A.
          The reason why many parents who start home schooling find it difficult is because they soon realise there is big difference between a QTS Teacher and a Parent. A teacher is qualified to teach and knows the intricacies of teaching. A parent might understand the books but will often lack a wholistic macroscopic view and understanding of the curriculum. So, the magic question here is would you be able to teach different subjects to your child? Do you have the ability to teach different content?

          Many parents think a way out of this is to either send my child for Tuition or have 1 Tutor teaching many kids. Going for tuition is now getting expensive and adding the sums almost comes to the same as private Islamic schooling. The second part about one tutor is another problem as there is a Law against creating a private school as such without registering it. I already know of one boys “school” / “Tuition centre” in UK that tried to be clever and is now closed down.

          B.
          If your concern is pertaining to the morality in school content – this is where the problem gets bigger. The first thing is to understand in this part, is that State schools are secular. They do not and does not force a belief pertaining to anything down a child’s throat but do have the legal right to introduce that belief. Example: Big bang theory and Evolution. If you speak to a QTS Teacher in science – you will learn that there is no compulsion that a student believes that concept but, yet the concept is covered.
          Swinging the pendulum, the other way, how would you as a parent educate your child that the big bang theory is incorrect without the very introduction of theory itself?

          One of the biggest problems inside UK about home schooling is that the very parent themselves (mind you, who is now educating the child) does not themselves understand the rationale argument against the kufr theology. So, it now raises the question, how is the child going to have a counter argument when going out into the open world?
          I will site a story that happened in my life to show you what I mean. I was with a friend picking up his kid from nursery. A muslim man inside was throwing his hands up and shouting. We went to see if we could help. Upon hearing his discussion – he was accusing the principal for derailing his child religiously based on the fact that they gave the child Pepa Pig to play with. I intervened and asked the man why he was upset about it – and he looked at me shocked (he probably visually identified that I am Muslim) and said “Brother you know they giving our kids pigs to play with”. I asked him as to why he was upset and he said “You know pigs are haram to eat”. I then asked him if it was Halaal to eat lions. He looked at me and no obviously we can’t eat lions. I then had to point out to him that his own child had a Lion toy attached to his push chair. The man was frankly embarrassed because he now got the point that there was no difference between him buying his child a Lion toy and playing with a little pig.

          Ultimately his argument was based on consumption and Islamicially both are haram to eat.

          Can you imagine this parent home schooling his son? He would achieve nothing but creating cognitive dissilience in his son.
          The point here being, is that you can only force feed a Islamic concept with may be a little rationale up to a certain age – after that age the human mind seeks further rationale. A simple browse in UF will prove my point.

          So simply put – whether your child is home schooled or state schooled – you as a parent would have to confront the child with the rationale of Islam on different degrees at different ages.








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          • #50
            Re: Is homeschooling hard?

            Originally posted by Red Apples View Post
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            Layla - i promised you a document that i will type for you.
            Firstly please forgive the time delay as i have much to do but i did start it. Its not all of it but will come in parts.
            Its much to think about and probably many points already covered but I guess reading it all in go might solidfy certain points and myths.

            As I said there is more to come including the other side of the coin.

            Home Schooling
            Before home schooling your child you need to have a realistic idea on what grades you want your child to achieve

            A.
            The reason why many parents who start home schooling find it difficult is because they soon realise there is big difference between a QTS Teacher and a Parent. A teacher is qualified to teach and knows the intricacies of teaching. A parent might understand the books but will often lack a wholistic macroscopic view and understanding of the curriculum. So, the magic question here is would you be able to teach different subjects to your child? Do you have the ability to teach different content?

            Many parents think a way out of this is to either send my child for Tuition or have 1 Tutor teaching many kids. Going for tuition is now getting expensive and adding the sums almost comes to the same as private Islamic schooling. The second part about one tutor is another problem as there is a Law against creating a private school as such without registering it. I already know of one boys “school” / “Tuition centre” in UK that tried to be clever and is now closed down.

            B.
            If your concern is pertaining to the morality in school content – this is where the problem gets bigger. The first thing is to understand in this part, is that State schools are secular. They do not and does not force a belief pertaining to anything down a child’s throat but do have the legal right to introduce that belief. Example: Big bang theory and Evolution. If you speak to a QTS Teacher in science – you will learn that there is no compulsion that a student believes that concept but, yet the concept is covered.
            Swinging the pendulum, the other way, how would you as a parent educate your child that the big bang theory is incorrect without the very introduction of theory itself?

            One of the biggest problems inside UK about home schooling is that the very parent themselves (mind you, who is now educating the child) does not themselves understand the rationale argument against the kufr theology. So, it now raises the question, how is the child going to have a counter argument when going out into the open world?
            I will site a story that happened in my life to show you what I mean. I was with a friend picking up his kid from nursery. A muslim man inside was throwing his hands up and shouting. We went to see if we could help. Upon hearing his discussion – he was accusing the principal for derailing his child religiously based on the fact that they gave the child Pepa Pig to play with. I intervened and asked the man why he was upset about it – and he looked at me shocked (he probably visually identified that I am Muslim) and said “Brother you know they giving our kids pigs to play with”. I asked him as to why he was upset and he said “You know pigs are haram to eat”. I then asked him if it was Halaal to eat lions. He looked at me and no obviously we can’t eat lions. I then had to point out to him that his own child had a Lion toy attached to his push chair. The man was frankly embarrassed because he now got the point that there was no difference between him buying his child a Lion toy and playing with a little pig.

            Ultimately his argument was based on consumption and Islamicially both are haram to eat.

            Can you imagine this parent home schooling his son? He would achieve nothing but creating cognitive dissilience in his son.
            The point here being, is that you can only force feed a Islamic concept with may be a little rationale up to a certain age – after that age the human mind seeks further rationale. A simple browse in UF will prove my point.

            So simply put – whether your child is home schooled or state schooled – you as a parent would have to confront the child with the rationale of Islam on different degrees at different ages.








            Subhanallah, :jkk: thank you for taking the time out to write such an insightful reply. You make some very valid points which I will definitely consider
            https://islamicgemsandpearls.wordpress.com

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            • #51
              Re: Is homeschooling hard?

              Relating to Point B, can we really say that, regarding them not pushing beliefs down throats? We are seeing our children conditioned to accept the horrific ideas that two mummies or two daddies are all okay. That a boy can turn into a girl and a girl can turn into a boy. They are also being taught by homosexuals in some cases, not to mention the general exposure to all the perversion and filthiness that goes on in a lot of regular state schools later on.

              To OP sister, there may be a network of other mothers homeschooling in the locality. Please try to find out online. From what I understand, these groups are quite useful in helping others become acquainted with how it all works and offer support and the opportunity for home schooled children to get to know and spend time with other children.
              LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAH
              -------------------------------
              "And if you would count the graces of God, never could you be able to count them. Truly, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur'aan 16:18)
              NOTE: Please kindly do NOT rep my posts. (Jazaa'akumullah).

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              • #52
                Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                Originally posted by Fakhri View Post
                Relating to Point B, can we really say that, regarding them not pushing beliefs down throats? We are seeing our children conditioned to accept the horrific ideas that two mummies or two daddies are all okay. That a boy can turn into a girl and a girl can turn into a boy. They are also being taught by homosexuals in some cases, not to mention the general exposure to all the perversion and filthiness that goes on in a lot of regular state schools later on.

                To OP sister, there may be a network of other mothers homeschooling in the locality. Please try to find out online. From what I understand, these groups are quite useful in helping others become acquainted with how it all works and offer support and the opportunity for home schooled children to get to know and spend time with other children.
                I don't know how to find other homeschooling mothers in my locality, as stupid as that may sound. I'm not on FB or social media and I think most of the groups are on FB... I've tried googling it but to no avail...

                I will definitely make more of an effort to find out though. It would be nice to have first hand experience of homeschooling :jkk:
                https://islamicgemsandpearls.wordpress.com

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                • #53
                  Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                  Originally posted by Fakhri View Post
                  Relating to Point B, can we really say that, regarding them not pushing beliefs down throats? We are seeing our children conditioned to accept the horrific ideas that two mummies or two daddies are all okay. That a boy can turn into a girl and a girl can turn into a boy. They are also being taught by homosexuals in some cases, not to mention the general exposure to all the perversion and filthiness that goes on in a lot of regular state schools later on.

                  To OP sister, there may be a network of other mothers homeschooling in the locality. Please try to find out online. From what I understand, these groups are quite useful in helping others become acquainted with how it all works and offer support and the opportunity for home schooled children to get to know and spend time with other children.
                  Although i havent finished the document - you obviously skipped that part, the point was that whether a child is home schooled or state schooled or even Islamic school Kufr ideologies are already ingrained into the system !

                  How are you going to counter act that ? By simply skipping that part in home schooling yet your child has write a national exam pertaining to THAT very module ?
                  You basically setting up your child to fail that course.

                  Point number 2 that you missed is that the parent of a home schooled/private schooled or state schooled child has to play a role into counter measuring these ideas.

                  When OFSTED visits her - which they do mind you (They visit home schooled children) What is the OP going to say ?

                  Wait for my second installment to comment on the entire doc.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                    Originally posted by Red Apples View Post
                    Although i havent finished the document - you obviously skipped that part, the point was that whether a child is home schooled or state schooled or even Islamic school Kufr ideologies are already ingrained into the system !

                    How are you going to counter act that ? By simply skipping that part in home schooling yet your child has write a national exam pertaining to THAT very module ?
                    You basically setting up your child to fail that course.

                    Point number 2 that you missed is that the parent of a home schooled/private schooled or state schooled child has to play a role into counter measuring these ideas.

                    When OFSTED visits her - which they do mind you (They visit home schooled children) What is the OP going to say ?

                    Wait for my second installment to comment on the entire doc.
                    :]

                    I did read part A, my brother, but either something about the way the post is written...or the fact that I'm just very tired, means it just isn't getting though this dense head of mine!

                    That point jumped out at me and had me a little riled up, I have to admit, hence my post. I'll leave you to complete the rest of your document, insha'Allah. :up:

                    Sister Layla, I'll try to find out a little more from my own sister, insha'Allah. She had been preparing to homeschool for some time, but eventually found a suitable Muslim school and has sent her daughter there, instead. Maybe she'll know of something specific that may help.
                    LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAH
                    -------------------------------
                    "And if you would count the graces of God, never could you be able to count them. Truly, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur'aan 16:18)
                    NOTE: Please kindly do NOT rep my posts. (Jazaa'akumullah).

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                    • #55
                      Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                      Originally posted by Fakhri View Post
                      :]

                      I did read part A, my brother, but either something about the way the post is written...or the fact that I'm just very tired, means it just isn't getting though this dense head of mine!

                      That point jumped out at me and had me a little riled up, I have to admit, hence my post. I'll leave you to complete the rest of your document, insha'Allah. :up:

                      Sister Layla, I'll try to find out a little more from my own sister, insha'Allah. She had been preparing to homeschool for some time, but eventually found a suitable Muslim school and has sent her daughter there, instead. Maybe she'll know of something specific that may help.
                      :jkk: that would be very helpful.
                      https://islamicgemsandpearls.wordpress.com

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                      • #56
                        Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                        I think a muslim school is best as home schooling sounds like too much effort with less results
                        Obviously money can be an issue so either you have ro work more or raise money from friends family and donations

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                        • #57
                          Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                          The thing with Muslim schools is that they don't always have qualified staff. If I am paying for my child's education, I expect the education to be 'good' at a minimum! As an example, I was offered a job position in an Islamic school to teach GSCE English & History when I'd literally just graduated - I was only 21. I could teach English no problem but I was taken by surprise when they asked me to teach history at GSCE level.

                          i don't even want to mention what I seen in this Islamic school when I went for my interview, but I did politely decline the job offer.

                          We need Muslim schools where the staff know what they are doing, not just any random jumping up at the chance of a business opportunity...
                          https://islamicgemsandpearls.wordpress.com

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                          • #58
                            Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                            Originally posted by Layla_ View Post
                            The thing with Muslim schools is that they don't always have qualified staff. If I am paying for my child's education, I expect the education to be 'good' at a minimum! As an example, I was offered a job position in an Islamic school to teach GSCE English & History when I'd literally just graduated - I was only 21. I could teach English no problem but I was taken by surprise when they asked me to teach history at GSCE level.

                            i don't even want to mention what I seen in this Islamic school when I went for my interview, but I did politely decline the job offer.

                            We need Muslim schools where the staff know what they are doing, not just any random jumping up at the chance of a business opportunity...
                            Asalaamualaykum Mu'mina Layla
                            This will be covered in the continuation of my document. (From a very unbiased level)

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                            • #59
                              Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                              Originally posted by Red Apples View Post
                              Asalaamualaykum Mu'mina Layla
                              This will be covered in the continuation of my document. (From a very unbiased level)
                              Wa alaykum salaam

                              :jkk: I look forward to reading the rest of the document Insha Allah
                              https://islamicgemsandpearls.wordpress.com

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                              • #60
                                Re: Is homeschooling hard?

                                Originally posted by Layla_ View Post
                                Wa alaykum salaam

                                :jkk: I look forward to reading the rest of the document Insha Allah

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