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    I listen to this and am grateful that I went to an all girls school back when we didn't have the internet. Sadly now the kufaar are pushing more and more for mixed schools and for prohibiting single sex schools. Then again I know of boys my age who went to all boys schools and there was a lot of fitnah there too.

    Sajid Lipham's message. I just had a listen and I'm thinking parents like my own would think he's sounding paranoid and overblowing things and there will be a proportion of religious minded parents who'd listen to this and have panic attacks. Still worth listening to though. Interesting that as an American, he hasn't even mentioned the RSE type issues as the other issues he mentions in themselves are serious enough.


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    Totally agree, our parents and their generation are really oblivious to these things, and its a real tragedy. Looking back now it seems like a miracle of Allah (SWT) that I kept away from these things. The stuff I hear from other people my age at like weddings and parties, is really frightening, and if word got out in the community that their kids are doing these things, then there would be a community wide crisis.

    There was an incident not too long ago, two Bangladeshi American brothers in Texas who killed their entire family, their mom and dad, their grandma, their sister, and then turned the guns on themselves. Their family had some sort of connection to the Muslim community, but in one of the brothers suicide letter, it was clear that they weren't Muslim anymore. They had it all, he confessed himself, he had life good, family, he had a hot girlfriend, he got into a really good school, but he was still depressed, and the letter showed he lacked purpose, he was just medicated by psychiatrists, he was just consuming media. And then this happens, and we just brush it aside as just another "mental health" case.

    I know its wishful thinking, but I want to one day try to make like my own Muslim community here in Canada, if Allah gives me the means to do so, somehow. Like just get some open land, and then call the greater Muslim communities and Islamic institutions around to migrate there, and then somehow we all work together to build a good environment for Muslims to live, even if we just become a generation of goat herders and farmers. I know it sounds stupid, but it seems like the best thing to do. I don't see western society surviving much longer.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mufti Cheesecake View Post
      Totally agree, our parents and their generation are really oblivious to these things, and its a real tragedy. Looking back now it seems like a miracle of Allah (SWT) that I kept away from these things. The stuff I hear from other people my age at like weddings and parties, is really frightening, and if word got out in the community that their kids are doing these things, then there would be a community wide crisis.

      There was an incident not too long ago, two Bangladeshi American brothers in Texas who killed their entire family, their mom and dad, their grandma, their sister, and then turned the guns on themselves. Their family had some sort of connection to the Muslim community, but in one of the brothers suicide letter, it was clear that they weren't Muslim anymore. They had it all, he confessed himself, he had life good, family, he had a hot girlfriend, he got into a really good school, but he was still depressed, and the letter showed he lacked purpose, he was just medicated by psychiatrists, he was just consuming media. And then this happens, and we just brush it aside as just another "mental health" case.

      I know its wishful thinking, but I want to one day try to make like my own Muslim community here in Canada, if Allah gives me the means to do so, somehow. Like just get some open land, and then call the greater Muslim communities and Islamic institutions around to migrate there, and then somehow we all work together to build a good environment for Muslims to live, even if we just become a generation of goat herders and farmers. I know it sounds stupid, but it seems like the best thing to do. I don't see western society surviving much longer.
      isn't Canada a western society too?

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      • #4
        It is scary and it is true.
        Can Muslim parents (even non-immigrant parents) protect their children?
        What about those Muslim countries where attending to school is obligatory (homeschooling is illegal)?
        The west target to "integrate" everybody to the western living style, is the intention of trust the social & bureaucratic structure they build.
        Is it possible to escape from these "integration" mechanism, while living within?
        Was listening Jeffery Lang, long before, he said - the number of Mulsim growing in the west, the mosque aren't filling that way.
        My personal experience in a small city in Germany, only few handful of young kids are attending the Friday prayer.
        And finding parents (immigrant - non-immigrant), who understand the danger of this toxic surrounding, is near to finding needle in the haystack.
        I just gone through all the people I know from the local mosque, and I must admit, I found no-one. None.
        A big danger is coming for the western muslim parents, here and for hereafter.

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        • #5
          I agree with the brother in the video. Things are getting much worse.

          I have wanted to homeschool my son for a while now, but my husband has been hesitant (he has his reasons).

          However, I think I will push for homeschooling once he starts Year 7 as that's around the age where things start getting complicated for kids.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by nudgetheputri1 View Post

            isn't Canada a western society too?
            yes

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mufti Cheesecake View Post

              yes
              So what makes it different from the rest of western capitalist societies surrounding it?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nudgetheputri1 View Post

                So what makes it different from the rest of western capitalist societies surrounding it?
                I think you misunderstand. I'm saying I want to find some empty land and make my own village or town, and persuade some from the greater Muslim communities in Canada to migrate there, so that we can create our own community that will protect what Islam came to protect. I know its wishful thinking.

                Canada is not different, and every time I go into the city, especially downtown, it absolutely sickens me, you see no children there, but young adults everywhere, some couples, but almost every single person has a dog. Theres no life in the city despite what the media tries to depict.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mufti Cheesecake View Post

                  I think you misunderstand. I'm saying I want to find some empty land and make my own village or town, and persuade some from the greater Muslim communities in Canada to migrate there, so that we can create our own community that will protect what Islam came to protect. I know its wishful thinking.

                  Canada is not different, and every time I go into the city, especially downtown, it absolutely sickens me, you see no children there, but young adults everywhere, some couples, but almost every single person has a dog. Theres no life in the city despite what the media tries to depict.
                  I get what you mean there. I mean, even if you buy a plot of land in canada and build a community you can bring muslims to live there. It doesnt mean that they are nowhere close to fitna, as long as they know where downtown is and old enough to drive.

                  Maybe I am seeing a different kind of "fitna" from what you've seen Allahua'lam. Never been to the West.

                  Why is there no life in the city?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by neelu View Post
                    I listen to this and am grateful that I went to an all girls school back when we didn't have the internet. Sadly now the kufaar are pushing more and more for mixed schools and for prohibiting single sex schools. Then again I know of boys my age who went to all boys schools and there was a lot of fitnah there too.

                    Sajid Lipham's message. I just had a listen and I'm thinking parents like my own would think he's sounding paranoid and overblowing things and there will be a proportion of religious minded parents who'd listen to this and have panic attacks. Still worth listening to though. Interesting that as an American, he hasn't even mentioned the RSE type issues as the other issues he mentions in themselves are serious enough.


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                    Yup totally agree, i grew up in the UK so it is true. I too was lucky I went to a majority muslim/asian all girls school, so even though it wasnt a muslim school majority of students shared same principles. Those girls who smoked, truanted to meet boys etc were shunned and looked down upon. THEN i went to a different mixed 6th form and astagfirullah my eyes were opened- drugs, porn, freemixing sexually, girks giving guys neck shoulder massages in the common room , i hated it so much I really did not enjoy my 6th form, i had to stop sitting in the common room and basically like that video said I became reserved, sat in the library alone and couldnt wait to get out of that place! All the while I had lovely ummah forum members keeping me sane and guided ALHAMDULILLAH.

                    I agree about the friends too, i had a friend who befriended alot if non muslims, theyd go to each others houses during free lessons when parents were out, we tried to speak to her about it but she said we were jealous of her new friebds etc. Anyway she left islam at age 18! Shocked me to the core, I cried a lot because I was confused but ofcourse it all mskes sense looking back. I stil cry for her and make dua she returns to Islam inshaAllah.

                    Loads of people I know who wore hijab as soon as they entered 6th form (college) they removed it.

                    I do think having a strong sense of identity helps and this has to be nurtured from young. So for me I wasnt afraid to be different infact I wanted to be odd one, I felt pity for those who followed pop culture and I thank Allah everyday for giving me that strength and ability, it would be insulting to myself to try and imitate the haram ways and even then definitly not in public! The way the muslim girls and boys freely openly sinned was shocking I would feel sick like 'why cant they do this in secret and go behind school!!?'

                    i really advise if parents can to send to single sex schools, its a game changer. Im a teacher and worked in different schools and favour single sex for the students own experience. For girks it really safeguards them and protects them from daily sexual abuse. For boys it just means theres less sexual tension and temptations.

                    It is a huge dilemma but parental input, communication, knowing who your kids friends are and having firm boundries is essential. And plenty of dua.

                    I have to say University was a whole different much better experience alhamdulillah.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nudgetheputri1 View Post

                      I get what you mean there. I mean, even if you buy a plot of land in canada and build a community you can bring muslims to live there. It doesnt mean that they are nowhere close to fitna, as long as they know where downtown is and old enough to drive.

                      Maybe I am seeing a different kind of "fitna" from what you've seen Allahua'lam. Never been to the West.

                      Why is there no life in the city?
                      Ya of course, it'd be their choice whether they want to or not. But when you have a whole community with shared interests, and everyone really invested into that community, its really hard for people to be misguided, and then have Islamic schools to guide the children on the right path, we'd have network so that we can easily encourage the youth to get married young. Especially getting the youth somehow involved in building and taking care of the community, like farming, or building, etc., it'll build men and women that we need for the future.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mufti Cheesecake View Post

                        Ya of course, it'd be their choice whether they want to or not. But when you have a whole community with shared interests, and everyone really invested into that community, its really hard for people to be misguided, and then have Islamic schools to guide the children on the right path, we'd have network so that we can easily encourage the youth to get married young. Especially getting the youth somehow involved in building and taking care of the community, like farming, or building, etc., it'll build men and women that we need for the future.
                        I like the idea of that, just a little skeptical.

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