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  • Delaying babies 'defies nature'

    Last Updated: Thursday, 15 September 2005, 23:08 GMT 00:08 UK

    Women who wait until their late 30s to have children are defying nature and risking heartbreak, leading obstetricians have warned.

    Over the last 20 years pregnancies in women over 35 have risen markedly and the average age of mothers has gone up.

    Writing in the British Medical Journal, the London-based fertility specialists say they are "saddened" by the number of women they see who have problems.

    They say the best age for pregnancy remains 20 to 35. Over the last 20 years the average age for a woman to have their first baby has risen from 26 to 29.

    The specialists, led by Dr Susan Bewley, who treats women with high-risk pregnancies at Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital, warned age-related fertility problems increase after 35 and dramatically after 40.

    Other experts said it was right to remind women not to leave it too late.

    'Having it all'

    In the BMJ, the specialists write: "Paradoxically, the availability of IVF may lull women into infertility while they wait for a suitable partner and concentrate on their careers and achieving security and a comfortable living standard."

    But they warn IVF treatment carries no guarantees - with a high failure rate and extra risks of multiple pregnancies where it is successful.

    For men, there are also risks in waiting until they are older to father children as semen counts deteriorate with age, they say.

    Once an older woman does become pregnant, she runs a greater risk of miscarriage, foetal and chromosomal abnormalities, and pregnancy-related diseases.

    They add: "Women want to 'have it all' but biology is unchanged; deferring defies nature and risks heartbreak."

    "Their delays may reflect disincentives to earlier pregnancy or maybe an underlying resistance to childbearing as, despite the advantages brought about by feminism and equal opportunities legislation, women still bear full domestic burdens as well as work and financial responsibilities."

    Dr Bewley told the BBC News website: "We are saddened because we are dealing with people who can't get pregnant or are having complications.

    "Most women playing 'Russian Roulette' get away with it, most people are fine. But I see the casualties.

    "The best time to have a baby is up to 35. It always was, and always will be."

    She added: "I don't want to blame women, or make them feel anxious or frightened.

    "The reasons for these difficulties lie not with women but with a distorted and uninformed view from society, employers, and health planners.

    "Doctors and healthcare planners need to grasp this threat to public health and support women to achieve biologically optimal childbirth. "Where we can, we should be helping women to have children earlier."

    Clare Brown, chief executive of Infertility Network UK, said "Delaying having children until you are in your thirties is a choice many people make but they need to be aware of the added problems when trying to conceive, particularly over the age of 35 when a woman's natural fertility declines.

    "When this is exacerbated by a further complication such as blocked tubes or low sperm count the chances of a successful pregnancy even using IVF are much less."

    Peter Bowen-Simpkins, of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, said: "The biological clock is one thing we cannot reverse or change.

    "The message that needs to go out is 'don't leave it too late'."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4248244.stm
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    Women deferring pregnancy risk heartbreak

    Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:27 AM BST

    LONDON (Reuters) - Women who put off getting pregnant till past their mid-thirties are defying nature and risk the heartbreak of infertility, miscarriage or other complications, doctors warned on Friday.

    "Women want to 'have it all', but biology is unchanged," they said in an editorial in the British Medical Journal.

    An increasing number of women in Western countries are delaying having a baby till later, many for career reasons.

    But women over 35 face a greater chance of suffering age-related fertility problems including miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, twin births, bleeding and high blood pressure.

    Once women pass 40 these risks increase dramatically, said consultant obstetrician Susan Bewley, one of the editorial's authors.

    "We are seeing the disease burden of this social trend going up," she said.

    "As the number of older mothers is going up, most are fine, but in our gynaecological and obstetric clinics we are seeing a lot of casualties of this trend," she told BBC radio.

    Bewley and her colleagues warned in their editorial public health authorities were ignoring an "epidemic of pregnancy in middle age."

    "Doctors and healthcare planners need to grasp this threat to public health and support women to achieve biologically optimal childbearing," they wrote.

    "No serious research is being undertaken into the additional costs to the National Health Service, the increased load on maternity services and neonatal units, the extra costs to employers of later maternity leave, or consideration of means that enable women to have children earlier."

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...archived=False
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    • #3
      Putting off childbirth defies nature, claim doctors

      Fri 16 Sep 2005
      LOUISE GRAY

      WOMEN should have a family first - before they are 35 - and leave their career until later, a group of leading doctors said yesterday.

      The obstetricians and gynaecologists said the increasing number of women delaying having children were defying nature and risking heartbreak.

      Writing in the British Medical Journal, they recommended that if women wanted families and a career, they should have children earlier, and called for more support for younger mothers.

      Women's groups voiced caution over putting a deadline on childbirth but agreed on the need for more support.

      Susan Bewley, consultant obstetrician at St Thomas' Hospital in London, said the doctors were motivated by the number of older women they saw experiencing problems in childbirth. She said: "It is us in the clinic who see the heartbreak, and we cannot help these people when they are running out of time. That is what motivated me to write [the report] and ask the authorities what can be done to help women to do it at a time that suits them."

      In Scotland the most common age for giving birth is now 30 to 34. There has also been a steady rise in the proportion of mothers aged 35-plus, from 6 per cent in 1976 to 18.8 per cent last year.

      But Dr Bewley said the optimum age to have a child remained between the ages of 20 and 35. She said: "Each woman finds her own solution but we cannot kid ourselves having children at 35 is easy. It is not. It goes wrong for lots of people."

      The strongly worded editorial, co-authored by Melanie Davies, a consultant obstetrician from University College hospital, and Peter Braude, head of the department of women's health at St Thomas', pointed out age-related fertility problems increased after the age of 35, and dramatically so after 40.

      The editorial claimed employers and health planners were to blame for encouraging women to delay motherhood to focus on careers and financial stability. It called for government and companies to make it easier for women to choose to have children at a younger age, and said: "Free choices cannot be made with partial knowledge, economic disadvantage for mothers, and unsupportive workplaces.

      "Doctors and healthcare planners need to grasp this threat to public health and support women to achieve biologically optimal childbearing."

      The experts listed a number of complications linked to later motherhood, including pre-eclampsia and increased risk of miscarriage and ectopic pregnancies.

      They also said that older fathers had decreased fertility, while children of older men had an increased risk of schizophrenia and several genetic disorders.

      They wrote: "Women want to 'have it all' but biology is unchanged, deferring defies nature and risks heartbreak. If women want room for manoeuvre they are unwise to wait till their thirties."

      Dr Bewley added: "You cannot suddenly emerge at 45 and say, 'Now I want children'. I appreciate we want it all and some will get it. But there is a window for reproduction where there isn't for work."

      While celebrity mothers such as Victoria Beckham, pictured below, are free from the financial pressures that force many women to delay having children, for the average woman, a clear trade-off between age and career is in operation.

      Clare Brown, the chief executive of Infertility Network UK, agreed that both women and men should be made aware of the chances of conceiving at an older age. "Delaying having children until you are in your thirties is a choice many people make, but they need to be aware of the added problems when trying to conceive, particularly over the age of 35."

      But Sandra Benn, president of the Association of Scottish Business Women, said women were already aware of the choices they faced. She said: "It is no secret there are medical reasons for having children younger, but the economic and financial reasons are often against that. It is about weighing it all up and deciding what is best for you."

      Julie Hall, a former president of Scottish Women in Business, said: "I do not think there is any harm in making women aware of it because if you want to do things like adoption or pregnancy your chances are less. Women should be aware of those choices."

      But she said companies had to provide more help so younger women could have children without sacrificing a career.

      The Equal Opportunities Commission Scotland said current working patterns made parenting difficult for both sexes.

      A spokesman added: "If employers embrace flexible working options, not only does it bring them benefits in terms of staff retention and productivity, it is also easier for mothers and fathers to balance parenting responsibilities with work and life, and the decision of when to have children would be truly theirs to make."

      'I had to wait until I was ready'

      FOR Jane Marriott, 43, it was not so much the fear of waning fertility but achieving financial and emotional stability that swayed her choice to have a child at 35.

      "I don't think it was a biological clock. It was more the clock in my head thinking it was time to broaden my horizons and make my family bigger," she said.

      "I started thinking about the next generation."

      The former publisher from Portobello, Edinburgh, waited until she was in a long-term relationship, with her own home, to have children. And she said many of her friends also waited until they had fulfilled their careers without risking difficulties in pregnancy.

      She said: "I don't think you can manufacture the wish to have children. You cannot say I am going to have children because I am 30. It has to be the right time for you."

      Jane now has three children aged between seven and three.

      "I don't think you can force it. I don't think women can sit down and say if I want a child I have to have it now.

      "I personally could not have done that, I had to wait until my brain said I want to have children. That is the next thing I want to do."

      More women choose to have their babies later in life

      DESPITE calls from doctors for couples to start a family at an earlier age, in recent years it has become increasingly easy for women to have children later.

      Higher standards of living have meant that an increasing number of women are healthy enough to see through a successful pregnancy well into their forties.

      In Scotland last year there were 8,310 births to women aged 35 to 39, 1,471 births to women aged between 40 and 44, and 39 aged over 45.

      However, it is medical developments that have made it possible for far more older couples to conceive.

      Using in vitro fertilisation (IVF) can offset the decline in fertility from 35 that causes women to produce fewer eggs of lower quality. A woman can take fertility drugs to help her produce more eggs, which are then fertilised in the laboratory.

      The woman is also given hormones to prepare her womb to receive the fertilised eggs. The fertilised eggs are then placed inside the womb and a normal pregnancy follows.

      However, IVF can be difficult. The expensive, invasive treatment has quite a high failure rate, with about 70 per cent of women undergoing a cycle of IVF failing to achieve a live birth. This rises to 90 per cent when women are aged over 40.

      Intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) is a more modern method, where a single sperm is injected into the egg to fertilise it. This method can be more successful and can help men who have a lower sperm count because of age.

      Earlier this year a 66-year-old Romanian woman became the world's oldest mother after undergoing fertility treatment for nine years. Adriana Iliescu gave birth to Eliza Maria, who weighed just 1.4kg (3lb). Doctors who carried out the fertility treatment justified the procedure by saying the woman was in an appropriate condition to give birth and in Mrs Iliescu's case said that the child would have a good life.

      As well as the technological advances, many people agree children can be well brought up by older parents. The Family Planning Association says modern older mothers tend to plan their pregnancies so that they are financially and psychologically ready to have a family.

      Also, children of older parents achieve modest improvements in school attainment and maturer parenting can offset the effects of diminished fitness, illness and bereavement.

      There has been scientific research showing women who have children later can live longer. A team at Finland's University of Turku suggests women who raise a family late in life tend to die later. Scientists believe the findings suggest the rate at which a woman's reproductive system ages is directly linked to the speed with which the rest of her body ages.

      And although later first pregnancy is associated with a higher risk of breast cancer, it is also linked to a lower risk of cervical cancer.

      http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1946182005
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      • #4
        Originally posted by abdulhakeem
        "Most women playing 'Russian Roulette' get away with it, most people are fine.

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4248244.stm
        Alhamduliah!

        I was one of the lucky ones that didn't marry until my mid-thirties.

        I had excellent pre-natal medical advice and care throughout my two pregnancies and couldn't be happier with the results.

        My only comment: Plan to have your children in a hospital that is equiped to handle any eventuality.

        That can mean the difference between life and death for any mother and child. :love:
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        • #5
          People depend all too much on the advancements that are given to them in technogly and medicine, which can quite easily disappear given some sort of "natural disaster" or nuclear holocoust for example, or a hurrican katerina which sent many american hospiticals back to the stoneage for an extended period of time.

          Minus the medical and scientific advancements of the current age, which enable people to defy to some extent the biological clock, it would be difficult rationally speaking according to the way Allah swt has made us to concieve post-35, for the current era of humanity, and for sure the previous generations that have gone by, from the time of the Final Prophet onwards.

          Aside, its a shame the feminists lobby and their muslim collaborators love to pick and choose the medicine and science that is good for them.

          I think the Doc should have been a bit more specific then use erry fairy language like "nature" , its more to do with human biolgy and human phisology n all that. Perhaps then the message might get through to your typical "career minded", hedonistic, "live life to the max" western lass.
          "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

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          • #6
            i firmly have always believe that Allah decides when a woman can have a child, and that is usually around 13-15 years of age

            in euromerica, that is "teenage years", a time to act stupid, not a child, not an adult, thus you have these hormones racing and they give you a condom

            but historically, women married as soon as they started mensing

            now with technology, and inflation, people delay having children until they are "financially stable", which almost never comes

            another stupidity practice by the euromericans, similar to the world is flat

            but sadly, many muslims are subscribing to this thinking
            .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
            نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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            • #7
              another stupidity practice by the euromericans, similar to the world is flat

              but sadly, many muslims are subscribing to this thinking
              AM nice way of putting :)
              "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by abdulhakeem
                Other experts said it was right to remind women not to leave it too late.
                And what they want to sugest? To have first the children and after we will find a husband who raise the child? If we are not able to find your half,we need to wait until he will come :). We can't have the children with everyone, only don't pass that 30.
                :) t. l. poetry corner
                So I stay in my chair, staring into the fire,
                Thinking of where are you at this hour :scratch:

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AbdulMajid
                  People depend all too much on the advancements that are given to them in technogly and medicine...
                  Heart monitors, respiraters, intravenous pumps, oxygen, surgical equipment, pharmacological advancements, sterile conditions, access to professional nurses, technicians, therapists, doctors, surgeons, and a blood supply....

                  These are gifts from Allah (swt) which you would deny?

                  I wonder if the women in your life feel the same way?

                  Minus the medical and scientific advancements of the current age, which enable people to defy to some extent the biological clock, it would be difficult rationally speaking according to the way Allah swt has made us to concieve post-35, for the current era of humanity, and for sure the previous generations that have gone by, from the time of the Final Prophet onwards.
                  I don't know what troubles you have experienced in your own circle of men and women friends and family with concieving Brother, but the Western couples in my immediate family have had no trouble concieving after the age of 35, or before.

                  We have produced 24 grandchildren for my mother-in-law to enjoy as her 11 children surround her in her retirement. :D

                  Aside, its a shame the feminists lobby and their muslim collaborators love to pick and choose the medicine and science that is good for them.
                  It would be a shame to deny the gifts of Allah (swt).

                  Luckily, these gifts are available to to those in need without the influence of naysaysers.

                  I fail to see that it is any of your business what medical advancements are used by a couple trying to concieve, or when delivering their children into this world as Allah (swt) has decreed.

                  When or if you are ever in need of such advancements you will have a right, for yourself, to deny their use.

                  I think the Doc should have been a bit more specific then use erry fairy language like "nature" , its more to do with human biolgy and human phisology n all that. Perhaps then the message might get through to your typical "career minded", hedonistic, "live life to the max" western lass.
                  Human Biology and Physiology are a part of Nature. :)

                  What has a career or hedonism got to do with bringing Allah's (swt) Gift of Precious Life to this world?

                  May Allah (swt) bless and reward all who desire children. :love:
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                  • #10
                    the perfect age for a woman to have a baby is 20+....
                    Life goes on ...

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                    • #11
                      Wasn't Messenger Muhamad's first wife a widow of about 40 years of age?

                      10 - 100,000 years ago, We humans used to have babies as soon as we were able to produce them. Like AbuM inferred, Back then you'd be a grandparent at 30. You would need to start having babies at a young age.

                      Over the last 10,000 years our life span has grown 2 fold. We had to slow down our own proliferation.

                      We needed religion.

                      ~Bubbling
                      From the Many, One

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AbuMubarak
                        i firmly have always believe that Allah decides when a woman can have a child, and that is usually around 13-15 years of age

                        in euromerica, that is "teenage years", a time to act stupid, not a child, not an adult, thus you have these hormones racing and they give you a condom

                        but historically, women married as soon as they started mensing

                        now with technology, and inflation, people delay having children until they are "financially stable", which almost never comes

                        another stupidity practice by the euromericans, similar to the world is flat

                        but sadly, many muslims are subscribing to this thinking
                        here here

                        we should foget about the financial side of starting a family and just start 'popping' them out so to speak. This way, the children born will have an amazing life filled with little food or education.

                        Also, technology assists child birth, there are other factors apart from technology which comes into play when deciding to have a family.
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                        • #13
                          yes, we should forget about the financial side of family planning, Allah says, YOU do not feed your children, HE feeds them

                          we have a saying in islam TRUST in Allah

                          we all need to really learn the meaning of that

                          this whole thing about technology and babies, we have now taken babies and demanded they be subject to the latest technological advances, and that is taking away from the TRUST in Allah and putting our trust in machines

                          (yes medicine is good as an assistance, NOT as a dependence)

                          babies still are born naturally, they have been for thousands of years

                          babies still die, even with the best doctors and technology

                          all we are doing is learning to depend upon people instead of Allah
                          .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                          نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Abu Mubarak
                            yes, we should forget about the financial side of family planning, Allah says, YOU do not feed your children, HE feeds them

                            we have a saying in islam TRUST in Allah

                            we all need to really learn the meaning of that

                            this whole thing about technology and babies, we have now taken babies and demanded they be subject to the latest technological advances, and that is taking away from the TRUST in Allah and putting our trust in machines

                            (yes medicine is good as an assistance, NOT as a dependence)

                            babies still are born naturally, they have been for thousands of years

                            babies still die, even with the best doctors and technology

                            all we are doing is learning to depend upon people instead of Allah
                            of course we should trust in Allah (swt)

                            However, this does not mean you sit on the side of the road doing nothing with the attitude that you will get everything that you want. You need to work for it, Allah (swt) has given us ability and brains to use.

                            Regardless of technology, the current situation is simple. You have to work to have children. Now you could live of gvt handouts, however, i think its a bit rich for people to be so against thier governments and also take thier money.
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                            • #15
                              jimm

                              you are falling right into the trap they have laid out

                              work harder, to get more things, and sacrifice what means the most

                              no one needs govt handouts, and even if they do, who exactly is the govt? people, people who put money into the govt

                              you have to work, because begging is frowned upon in islam, but you cannot let finances dictate children, you may as well not have children if you are going to think like that

                              our prophet commanded us to have MANY children, did he not know what he was talking about?
                              .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                              نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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