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    Social security in an islamic state

    :salams

    How would social security be in an islamic state?

    1) wellfare for unemployemeny
    2) child benifit
    3) retirement
    4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
    5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
    6) yearly vacation

    In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's wage?
    Last edited by .Hajar.; 18-10-17, 10:07 PM.
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

    #2
    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    I think the very dynamics of life would be different in a khalifa

    I think you should ask [MENTION=35595]Abu Musab[/MENTION] this or maybe [MENTION=62710]Abu Kamel[/MENTION] would now

    Im going to follow this thread because im interested in the answer
    It all starts with a thought

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      #3
      Re: Social security in an islamic state

      Originally posted by Jumpski View Post
      I think the very dynamics of life would be different in a khalifa

      I think you should ask [MENTION=35595]Abu Musab[/MENTION] this or maybe [MENTION=62710]Abu Kamel[/MENTION] would now

      Im going to follow this thread because im interested in the answer
      Yea probably some stuff would be erased but then is it still doable to have a firm social security plan basically... we will see what others have in mind
      يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

      O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

      Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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        #4
        Re: Social security in an islamic state

        Originally posted by aynina View Post
        :salams

        How would social security be in an islamic state?

        1) wellfare for unemployemeny
        2) child benifit
        3) retirement
        4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
        5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
        6) yearly vacation

        In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's loan?
        :wswrwb:

        What is the full income tax that one pays in Belgium?

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          #5
          Re: Social security in an islamic state

          Originally posted by horizon View Post
          :wswrwb:

          What is the full income tax that one pays in Belgium?
          That which you bolted
          يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

          O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

          Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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            #6
            Re: Social security in an islamic state

            Originally posted by aynina View Post
            :salams

            How would social security be in an islamic state?

            1) wellfare for unemployemeny
            2) child benifit
            3) retirement
            4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
            5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
            6) yearly vacation

            In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's loan?
            :wswrwb:

            What's a workman's loan?

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              #7
              Re: Social security in an islamic state

              Originally posted by aynina View Post
              That which you bolted
              You said 13,07% of 108% = 14,12% ?

              Wow, that is so little. I assumed socialist Europe had taxes close to 40-50%.

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                #8
                Re: Social security in an islamic state

                Originally posted by horizon View Post
                You said 13,07% of 108% = 14,12% ?

                Wow, that is so little. I assumed socialist Europe had taxes close to 40-50%.
                That's the UK...we look after our immigrants.

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                  #9
                  Re: Social security in an islamic state

                  Originally posted by zi-zizou View Post
                  :wswrwb:

                  What's a workman's loan?
                  The money a person who works receives in return for his work
                  Originally posted by horizon View Post
                  You said 13,07% of 108% = 14,12% ?

                  Wow, that is so little. I assumed socialist Europe had taxes close to 40-50%.
                  Well ppl who work like at a desk pay 13.07 on 100% and ppl who work with hands pay 13.07 on 108% prolly cus they wanted to keep the 13.07 they liked that

                  So u pay half of ur wage to the govt?
                  Last edited by aynina; 18-10-17, 09:22 PM.
                  يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                  O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                  Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                    #10
                    Re: Social security in an islamic state

                    [MENTION=110507]aynina[/MENTION] :

                    1 more off-topic question:

                    Why is it called a workman's loan?

                    Why not income or salary or wage?

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                      #11
                      Re: Social security in an islamic state

                      Originally posted by horizon View Post
                      [MENTION=110507]aynina[/MENTION] :

                      1 more off-topic question:

                      Why is it called a workman's loan?

                      Why not income or salary or wage?
                      Bc english is not my mother tongue
                      يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                      O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                      Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                        #12
                        Re: Social security in an islamic state

                        Originally posted by aynina View Post
                        The money a person who works receives in return for his work

                        Well ppl who work like at a desk pay 13.07 on 100% and ppl who work with hands pay 13.07 on 108% prolly cus they wanted to keep the 13.07 they liked that

                        So u pay half of ur loan to the govt?
                        But a loan is something that is borrowed and needs to be returned in some form.

                        Those that work at their desk use there feet? is that what you're saying? It's hard to take you Belguimites seriously.

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                          #13
                          Re: Social security in an islamic state

                          Originally posted by zi-zizou View Post
                          But a loan is something that is borrowed and needs to be returned in some form.

                          Those that work at their desk use there feet? is that what you're saying? It's hard to take you Belguimites seriously.
                          Omg thats so embarrassing ur right im such a retard "loon" is dutch for wage so i litterally translated

                          Theres a difference between "head- work" and actual work

                          [MENTION=1571]admin[/MENTION] [MENTION=8041]moderators[/MENTION] [MENTION=15366]-Yassar[/MENTION] [MENTION=22732]Fais[/MENTION] [MENTION=25581].Hajar.[/MENTION] [MENTION=30214]Abu 'Abdullaah[/MENTION] [MENTION=38207]Jenicca[/MENTION] [MENTION=47843]samin62[/MENTION] [MENTION=76113]علي[/MENTION] [MENTION=87885]Meriadoc[/MENTION] [MENTION=105052]Darul Ilm[/MENTION] [MENTION=139630]device[/MENTION] please change "loan" in OP to wage in sha Allah
                          يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                          O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                          Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                            #14
                            Re: Social security in an islamic state

                            Originally posted by aynina View Post
                            Omg thats so embarrassing ur right im such a retard "loon" is dutch for wage so i litterally translated

                            Theres a difference between "head- work" and actual work

                            @admin @moderators @-Yassar @Fais @.Hajar. @Abu 'Abdullaah @Jenicca @samin62 @علي @Meriadoc @Darul Ilm @device please change "loan" in OP to wage in sha Allah
                            Calm your horses sister, we've cleared it up, it's okay no harm done.

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                              #15
                              Re: Social security in an islamic state

                              Originally posted by aynina View Post
                              :salams

                              How would social security be in an islamic state?

                              1) wellfare for unemployemeny
                              2) child benifit
                              3) retirement
                              4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
                              5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
                              6) yearly vacation

                              In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's loan?
                              Just a correction. The zakah is not 2.5% of 100%, but rather 2.5% of whatever a workman is able to save for 1 year. So much much less than 2.5% of 100%. However, there are other taxes that were applied, but I haven't studied that aspect of the Shariah or history, so I can't elaborate on those taxes.

                              There is also sadaqah in general that Muslims are encouraged to give to the needy.

                              As for what would happen in an Islamic State, then all the revenue (tax, war booty, etc.) goes into the bait ul-mal, or treasury. From there it is up to the ruler to figure out a system for distributing it for the needs of the people and government. During the Khilafah Rashidah (and even today in Saudia and other countries), there was a stipend for every citizen including children. If someone was still needy after that, then more was given to them from the treasury at the discretion of the ruler or a wealthy citizen would give them sadaqah.

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