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    Asalaamu Alaikum wr wb brothers and sisters,

    Prophet Muhammad pbuhap gave us many signs for the appearance of Imam Mahdi a.s in the end times, signs before, nearing and after the appearance of the Qaim a.s. Shouldn't there be at least one sign that happens before the appearance or rise of the Qaim a.s. Any thoughts? Please provide with hadith references. JazakAllah Khair

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    Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

    Originally posted by fightfalsehood View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum wr wb brothers and sisters,
    Prophet Muhammad pbuhap gave us many signs for the appearance of Imam Mahdi a.s in the end times, signs before, nearing and after the appearance of the Qaim a.s. Shouldn't there be at least one sign that happens before the appearance or rise of the Qaim a.s. Any thoughts? Please provide with hadith references. JazakAllah Khair
    Bismillah
    Salam Alaikum

    All Muslims including both Sunnies and Shias agree that he is from Ahlul Bait and he is a descendant of Fatima.

    One of the main signs that exist in the books of both Sunnies and Shias is the army of Sufyani who conquests Levant before appearance of Mahdi. Sufyani will try to attack Mahdi who had appeared in Mecca but earth will swallow the army of Sufyani in a desert between Medina and Mecca.

    Now let me quote the Sahih hadithes and the evidences regarding this event in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah to show that all Muslims agree with this sign.

    1- Sahih Bukhary Volume 3 hadith 2118 كتاب البيوع ، باب ما ذكر فى الاسواق

    يَغْزُو جَيْشٌ الكَعْبَةَ، فَإِذَا كَانُوا بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الأَرْضِ، يُخْسَفُ بِأَوَّلِهِمْ وَآخِرِهِمْ
    http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1681#page-3739

    An army invades the Kaba, when they reach in a desert of earth, all of them will be swallowed (into the earth).

    2- Sahih Muslim كتاب الفتن و اشراط السّاعة ، باب الخسف بالجيش الذى يؤمّ البيت

    يَعُوذُ عَائِذٌ بِالْبَيْتِ، فَيُبْعَثُ إِلَيْهِ بَعْثٌ، فَإِذَا كَانُوا بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الْأَرْضِ خُسِفَ بِهِمْ
    وَقَالَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ: هِيَ بَيْدَاءُ الْمَدِينَةِ،
    http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1727#page-8527

    Someone seeks refuge to Kaba (supposedly Mahdi), a group rises against him and when they reach a desert on the earth, they will be swallowed in to the earth. Abu Jafar says : this is the desert of Medina (where this incident will happen)

    3- Sunan Tirmidhi كتاب الفتن ، باب 21 ما جاء فى الخسف ح 2184
    لاَ يَنْتَهِي النَّاسُ عَنْ غَزْوِ هَذَا البَيْتِ حَتَّى يَغْزُوَ جَيْشٌ، حَتَّى إِذَا كَانُوا بِالبَيْدَاءِ أَوْ بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الأَرْضِ خُسِفَ بِأَوَّلِهِمْ وَآخِرِهِمْ
    هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ
    http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-7895#page-4170

    People will not stop fighting against Kaba till an army invades Kaba and when they reach a desert, they will be swallowed in to the earth.
    This Hadith is authentic.

    4- Sunan Ibn Majeh كتاب الفتن ، باب 30 جيش البيداء
    لَيَؤُمَّنَّ هَذَا الْبَيْتَ جَيْشٌ يَغْزُونَهُ، حَتَّى إِذَا كَانُوا بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الْأَرْضِ، خُسِفَ بِأَوْسَطِهِمْ، وَيَتَنَادَى أَوَّلُهُمْ آخِرَهُمْ، فَيُخْسَفُ بِهِمْ، فَلَا يَبْقَى مِنْهُمْ إِلَّا الشَّرِيدُ الَّذِي يُخْبِرُ عَنْهُمْ
    حكم الألباني صحيح
    http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1198#page-5588

    It should be known that an army will invade Kaba and when they reach a desert they will be swallowed in to the earth and no one remains from them unless one who will inform others about them.
    Albani says it is Sahih.

    5- Sunan Abi Davud كتاب المهدى ح 4286
    يكون اختلافٌ عندَ موتِ خليفةٍ، فيخرجُ رَجُلٌ مِن أهلِ المدينةِ هارباً إلى مكَةَ، فيأتيه ناسٌ من أهلِ مكَّة فيُخرِجُونَه وهو كارِهٌ فيبايعُونَه بين الرُّكنِ والمقامِ، ويُبعَثُ إليه بَعْثٌ مِن الشامِ، فيُخسَفُ بهم بالبيداء بين مكةَ والمدينةِ
    http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-117359#page-3583http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-2266#page-9475

    A man will emerge from the depths of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb. He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill the children. A man from my family (Mahdi from Ahlul Bait) will appear in the Haram, the news of his advent will reach the Sufyani and he will send to him one of his armies. He (referring to the Mahdi) will defeat them. They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them.

    This Hadith is Sahih according to Bukhary and Muslim


    For Shia source you can refer to the following link :
    https://www.al-islam.org/universal-g...arance-sufyani
    Last edited by ALAS; 20-02-17, 12:42 AM.
    Note: I am a shia.

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    • #3
      Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

      Not sure, but for the sake of all the racists on this board and in the 'ummah' in general, I hope the Mahdi A.S. comes out as dark as 11:53 pm on a winter night.
      Wouldn't be surprised if people started leaving Islam in droves. 😫

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      • #4
        Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

        Originally posted by YetAnotherUser View Post
        Not sure, but for the sake of all the racists on this board and in the 'ummah' in general, I hope the Mahdi A.S. comes out as dark as 11:53 pm on a winter night.
        Wouldn't be surprised if people started leaving Islam in droves. ��
        Lol. I understand your sentiment. I have seen more racism from muslims towards anything other than their own race, then I see between whites toward blacks. Non muslims treat each other with respect, and muslims restrict social and marital unions between the races. It's a lovely day isn't it?

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        • #5
          Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

          Originally posted by SartorialMuslim View Post
          Lol. I understand your sentiment. I have seen more racism from muslims towards anything other than their own race, then I see between whites toward blacks. Non muslims treat each other with respect, and muslims restrict social and marital unions between the races. It's a lovely day isn't it?
          YetanotherUser

          Another Mistake

          You need to talk respectfully about Mahdi ,who will be a person with whom whole Ummah will be happy .

          Would be an awesome person &is Arabic .

          Forget about bad Muslims who have beauty/white ness &such nonsense roaming around in there minds but trust me real good people exists too who may themselves be very good looking but have hearts of piety as we know no black or white has any goodness except for his Taqwa.

          Get to know the Tabieen or Taba Tabaieen "s were mostly dark ,those who were the best in Ummah after the first generation .

          Don't you worry,Mahdi is not going to be racists,supporting only whites Reverts or Arabs or White Pakis, Mahdi is for all Muslims &closest allies of his are going to be truthful Muj who are truly. Muttaqee.
          Lastly:Shias call him Mahdi a s .We Sunnis don't, Alhamdull'ILLAH so Never say it again.

          ....

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          • #6
            Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

            Instead of wasting your time wondering when the Mehdi is going to come, it's best to focus on the present.

            Originally posted by ALAS View Post
            Bismillah
            Salam Alaikum

            All Muslims including both Sunnies and Shias agree that he is from Ahlul Bait and he is a descendant of Fatima.

            One of the main signs that exist in the books of both Sunnies and Shias is the army of Sufyani who conquests Levant before appearance of Mahdi. Sufyani will try to attack Mahdi who had appeared in Mecca but earth will swallow the army of Sufyani in a desert between Medina and Mecca.

            Now let me quote the Sahih hadithes and the evidences regarding this event in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah to show that all Muslims agree with this sign.

            1- Sahih Bukhary Volume 3 hadith 2118 كتاب البيوع ، باب ما ذكر فى الاسواق

            يَغْزُو جَيْشٌ الكَعْبَةَ، فَإِذَا كَانُوا بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الأَرْضِ، يُخْسَفُ بِأَوَّلِهِمْ وَآخِرِهِمْ
            http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1681#page-3739

            An army invades the Kaba, when they reach in a desert of earth, all of them will be swallowed (into the earth).

            2- Sahih Muslim كتاب الفتن و اشراط السّاعة ، باب الخسف بالجيش الذى يؤمّ البيت

            يَعُوذُ عَائِذٌ بِالْبَيْتِ، فَيُبْعَثُ إِلَيْهِ بَعْثٌ، فَإِذَا كَانُوا بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الْأَرْضِ خُسِفَ بِهِمْ
            وَقَالَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ: هِيَ بَيْدَاءُ الْمَدِينَةِ،
            http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1727#page-8527

            Someone seeks refuge to Kaba (supposedly Mahdi), a group rises against him and when they reach a desert on the earth, they will be swallowed in to the earth. Abu Jafar says : this is the desert of Medina (where this incident will happen)

            3- Sunan Tirmidhi كتاب الفتن ، باب 21 ما جاء فى الخسف ح 2184
            لاَ يَنْتَهِي النَّاسُ عَنْ غَزْوِ هَذَا البَيْتِ حَتَّى يَغْزُوَ جَيْشٌ، حَتَّى إِذَا كَانُوا بِالبَيْدَاءِ أَوْ بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الأَرْضِ خُسِفَ بِأَوَّلِهِمْ وَآخِرِهِمْ
            هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ
            http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-7895#page-4170

            People will not stop fighting against Kaba till an army invades Kaba and when they reach a desert, they will be swallowed in to the earth.
            This Hadith is authentic.

            4- Sunan Ibn Majeh كتاب الفتن ، باب 30 جيش البيداء
            لَيَؤُمَّنَّ هَذَا الْبَيْتَ جَيْشٌ يَغْزُونَهُ، حَتَّى إِذَا كَانُوا بِبَيْدَاءَ مِنَ الْأَرْضِ، خُسِفَ بِأَوْسَطِهِمْ، وَيَتَنَادَى أَوَّلُهُمْ آخِرَهُمْ، فَيُخْسَفُ بِهِمْ، فَلَا يَبْقَى مِنْهُمْ إِلَّا الشَّرِيدُ الَّذِي يُخْبِرُ عَنْهُمْ
            حكم الألباني صحيح
            http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1198#page-5588

            It should be known that an army will invade Kaba and when they reach a desert they will be swallowed in to the earth and no one remains from them unless one who will inform others about them.
            Albani says it is Sahih.

            5- Sunan Abi Davud كتاب المهدى ح 4286
            يكون اختلافٌ عندَ موتِ خليفةٍ، فيخرجُ رَجُلٌ مِن أهلِ المدينةِ هارباً إلى مكَةَ، فيأتيه ناسٌ من أهلِ مكَّة فيُخرِجُونَه وهو كارِهٌ فيبايعُونَه بين الرُّكنِ والمقامِ، ويُبعَثُ إليه بَعْثٌ مِن الشامِ، فيُخسَفُ بهم بالبيداء بين مكةَ والمدينةِ
            http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-117359#page-3583http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-2266#page-9475

            A man will emerge from the depths of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb. He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill the children. A man from my family (Mahdi from Ahlul Bait) will appear in the Haram, the news of his advent will reach the Sufyani and he will send to him one of his armies. He (referring to the Mahdi) will defeat them. They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them.

            This Hadith is Sahih according to Bukhary and Muslim


            For Shia source you can refer to the following link :
            https://www.al-islam.org/universal-g...arance-sufyani

            The only thing sunnis and shias have in common when it comes to mehdi is that he would be from the lineage of the prophet. And even that sunnis believe he could also come from hassan's progeny. Whereas you shias believe he is from Hussain's progeny the 12th imam and he is hiding in some cellar in Iraq. Shia mehdi is some crazy guy hiding for the last thousand years. It's a joke.

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            • #7
              Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

              Regardless of the different views of Sunnies and Shias regarding of the details that who is Mahdi and how is Mahdi, there are certain signs that both of them agree upon. As long as they recognize him they should obey him. Since then the sectarian differences vanish and the truths will be revealed. Till then all Muslims should strive for the future, for the promised day, they should try to be ready both spiritually and purifying themselves and trying to make the Muslim societies surrounding themselves ready for that day, for the day that true Sunnah of Rasulullah will be revived and justice will spread on the earth.

              Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
              Whereas you shias believe he is from Hussain's progeny the 12th imam and he is hiding in some cellar in Iraq. Shia mehdi is some crazy guy hiding for the last thousand years. It's a joke.
              According to Sunnies he is not born yet like Moses who was the saviour of Israel tribe at the time of Pharaoh. According to Shias he is born and he is saved alive like Jesus.
              According to Shias he is not hiding in some cellar in Iraq, he is living among people hiddenly. It is not as odd as you think. You can reread the concept of Abdaal in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah that they exist and Shias believe the best of them is Mahdi and he is born and alive. Also Jesus is alive for thousands years. So one can not say it is impossible.

              Anyhow these differences are not important enough when Mahdi himself appears Muslims can ask him himself and the problems and the differences will be solved.

              Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
              Instead of wasting your time wondering when the Mehdi is going to come, it's best to focus on the present.
              As you know past, present and future are all related to each other. Exactly the hadithes mentioned here are showing us the links. Hadithes from thousand years ago can explain the present situation and give us the future perspective.

              Those who misused an internal political or social problem in Syria and Iraq and they tried to destabilize them through their soldiers like ISIS, Nusra and ..... who are very similar to khawarij, they deceived and misused parts of people through false flags and propaganda and beheaded and ate the other ones ! and they made fitnah. They can do it again too. They can make and support the army of Sufyani too, the army that will capture Levant, the army that will be swallowed into the earth when it invades Kaba to kill Mahdi.

              This fire that satans have started in the middle east, specially and mainly the extremist evangelists of USA and the zionist Jews of Israel, those who are making movies, documentaries, books and articles 24 hour a day that Mahdi is anti-Christ, Dajjal, this can not be extinguished easily, it is very likely that someday this fire again rises since unlike Muslims, those extremists in USA and Israel are united and steady paced on their stupid end time games and they are pursuing their stupid goals with open eyes.

              Let alone Ale-Saud that has ruined Shaam and Yemen very similar to the hadith of horn of satan. Levant and Yemen are the keys of the end time games.

              Shall not we be ready to resist and be aware to be able to distinguish the right and wrong more easily !
              Last edited by ALAS; 02-03-17, 11:33 AM.
              Note: I am a shia.

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              • #8
                Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                [MENTION=123359]ALAS[/MENTION],

                there is nothing common between the sunni mehdi and shia mehdi. Your mehdi is a man living for centuries. Hiding in a cellar and he disappeared during the abbasid caliphate. This is from your own books. You are going to deny it.Shiite Mahdi will be killed by a bearded lady called Saeedah. Here see how useless your mehdi is https://gift2shias.com/2014/02/23/th...ti-arab-bigot/

                The difference between jesus and your mehdi is that jesus is in Jannah with his lord and time with your lord as quran says one day equals a 1000 years here on earth. Whereas your mehdi still lives in this world according to you. So Alas. please there is nothing in common with sunnis and shias on this issue.

                And how funny you blamed everyone from Israel and the jews to the Saudis to isis to America when you nicely keep quiet about the ayatollahs who want to march into mecca and medina and dig out the graves of abu bakr and umar.

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                • #9
                  Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                  Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
                  Your mehdi is a man living for centuries. Hiding in a cellar and he disappeared during the abbasid caliphate. This is from your own books. You are going to deny it.
                  Allahu Akbar ! you said Shia believes Mahdi is hiding in a cellar in Iraq I said this is wrong. The story is that once the Abbasid soldiers detected him in Samira in the home of his father and they wanted to capture him but he disappeared. This does not mean that he is hiding in a cellar in Iraq !

                  Why is this so important for you ! let when he appears we ask him himself that who his father is and how ! why not :)
                  I am ready to accept my mistake if my belief regarding him is wrong and obey Mahdi, Are you ready too !?

                  Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
                  Shiite Mahdi will be killed by a bearded lady called Saeedah. Here see how useless your mehdi is https://gift2shias.com/2014/02/23/th...ti-arab-bigot/
                  There are many false, weak or fabricated stories and hadithes regarding Mahdi it does not make sense that one believe them. They should be studied deeply and unbiasedly.

                  Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
                  The difference between jesus and your mehdi is that jesus is in Jannah with his lord and time with your lord as quran says one day equals a 1000 years here on earth. Whereas your mehdi still lives
                  in this world according to you.
                  Noah also lived 1000 years or more here on the earth also Khidr is still alive more than 1000 years here on the earth, however there is not consensus that whether he is alive or not but for sure he had a long life. It is for sure possible.

                  Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
                  And how funny you blamed everyone from Israel and the jews to the Saudis to isis to America when you nicely keep quiet about the ayatollahs who want to march into mecca and medina and dig out the graves of abu bakr and umar.
                  Every scissors need two blades. The same that they have made extremist Sunnies who are inclined to do such things against Shias, they have made such extremist Shias to do such things against Sunnies too. But we do not get deceived. We know and see the hands of enemies, mainly zionists, behind the fitnahs. The more they try to deviate Muslims on the wrong targets, mainly sectarian fitnahs, the more we should focus on the right targets, mainly Israel, in sha Allah. The battlefield is vivid. Those who are on the side of Mahdi, on the side of oppressed people against arrogance and those who are serving the international arrogant zionist system. No matter what we are called or where we are, this is the mainstream battlefield between right and wrong nowadays that all the humanity perceive it and they are dealing with it.
                  Last edited by ALAS; 02-03-17, 04:39 PM.
                  Note: I am a shia.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                    [MENTION=123359]ALAS[/MENTION] I can respond to every single rambling point of yours but it would be a waste of my time. Just answer this. How is a so called mehdi running away from a caliphate? A caliphate destroyed by the mongols? Are you telling me that your mehdi aint got none of the powers than the first 11 had according to your shia beliefs. And why is he hiding for all these years? what kind of a man hides from his people like yourselves? Surely your aytaollahs could with him in fighting the Zionists?

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                    • #11
                      Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                      Originally posted by Dinobot View Post
                      [MENTION=123359]ALS[/MENTION] I can respond to every single rambling point of yours but it would be a waste of my time. Just answer this. How is a so called mehdi running away from a caliphate? A caliphate destroyed by the mongols? Are you telling me that your mehdi aint got none of the powers than the first 11 had according to your shia beliefs. And why is he hiding for all these years? what kind of a man hides from his people like yourselves? Surely your aytaollahs could with him in fighting the Zionists?
                      The reason is You and I. The reason is people.

                      Whether we believe he is not born yet or he is born, the point is that Ummah should get ready. A leader without true followers is a head without the rest of body. So as long as Ummah grows and becomes stronger and experienced it gets more near to the goal. Allah knows the best when it should happen. No one except him knows when it will happen.

                      And fitnahs exist so that people become experienced and hypocrites become unmasked. If Allah wanted to force people for khilafah most of prophets could establish governments by force, miracles and .......
                      But this is not the case. Rasulullah and sahabas fought with sword face to face of the enemies not just with miracles. Of course Allah sends its help whenever it is needed and the miracles happen but the main cause is the efforts and the belief of the people, of the mujahideen themselves, a jihad in its general meaning and in every fields.
                      Last edited by ALAS; 03-03-17, 02:10 AM.
                      Note: I am a shia.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                        Originally posted by ALAS View Post
                        The reason is You and I. The reason is people.

                        Whether we believe he is not born yet or he is born, the point is that Ummah should get ready. A leader without true followers is a head without the rest of body. So as long as Ummah grows and becomes stronger and experienced it gets more near to the goal. Allah knows the best when it should happen. No one except him knows when it will happen.

                        And fitnahs exist so that people become experienced and hypocrites become unmasked. If Allah wanted to force people for khilafah most of prophets could establish governments by force, miracles and .......
                        But this is not the case. Rasulullah and sahabas fought with sword face to face of the enemies not just with miracles. Of course Allah sends its help whenever it is needed and the miracles happen but the main cause is the efforts and the belief of the people, of the mujahideen themselves, a jihad in its general meaning and in every fields.

                        lol what a sad way to explain your nonsense. people. Your mehdi Is waiting for this ummah to get better. The same ummah which the prophet said was going to go from bad to worse with all the signs iof qiyammah? You're explanation is funny and sad at the same time. The ummah nearly got destroyed when the mongols came in and your mehdi was no where to be found. Hiding like a gutless coward. And even now when there are a billion muslims he is still hiding.

                        I don't know when in your life you will start using your brain but there is no such thing as a 12th imam living hidden today. Your shia scholars have lied to you. Even zaydi shias don't believe in this garbage.. Anyway why should I care. It's your life. Believe what you like. Just know we don't have anything in common

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                        • #13
                          Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                          Originally posted by fightfalsehood View Post
                          Asalaamu Alaikum wr wb brothers and sisters,

                          Prophet Muhammad pbuhap gave us many signs for the appearance of Imam Mahdi a.s in the end times, signs before, nearing and after the appearance of the Qaim a.s. Shouldn't there be at least one sign that happens before the appearance or rise of the Qaim a.s. Any thoughts? Please provide with hadith references. JazakAllah Khair
                          wa alaikum assalam

                          who is Qaim a.s. ?

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                          • #14
                            Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                            Originally posted by arfatzafar View Post
                            who is Qaim a.s. ?
                            It seems he is not active in this forum anymore. By Qaim he means Mahdi, since the keyword Qaim is used for Mahdi in the literature of Shias. Qaim means someone who uprises.

                            Shias believe in five main signs of appearance of Mahdi that occurs some months before his appearance. as it is mentioned in the following hadith:

                            “Five signs will become manifest before the reappearance of the Qaim: Advent of Yamani and Sufyani, call from the sky, the sinking of Baida land and the killing of the Pure Soul (Nafse Zakiyyah).”
                            https://www.al-islam.org/kamaaluddin...arance-al-qaim

                            Among these five signs the two signs of Sufyani and the sinking of Baida is widespread in the literature of Ahlul-Sunnah too, I tried to collect the Sahih hadithes regarding Sufyani and the sinking of Baida from the books of Ahlul-Sunnah in this thread.

                            Sufyani is a cruel, inhuman and powerful army that will capture Levant and some of it's surrounding lands this is the army that will invade Mahdi and Kaba but it will be swallowed in to the earth near Medina.
                            Note: I am a shia.

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                              Re: The mahdi a.s appearance

                              ^ informative

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