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  • Alina15
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    Yeah! After a lot of readings, I've finally understood well!

    I feel better now

    :) :) :)

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  • Zul_Qarnain
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    I am always inspired by Allah's Khalil : Ibrahim (Alaihi Wasallam)
    I wish I could be in Allah's Khalil list too.
    Inshallah!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp-it-HlhEo

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  • Ibn Taleb
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    Originally posted by becky530 View Post
    yeah it is me.....who may i ask is asking?
    It's steve ... Steve mckoswski

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  • Nafs al Tawabah
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    Originally posted by SartorialMuslim View Post
    -Yes, what is written is done so because we did that thing, but you could never claim that Allah did not know or pre-ordain that that action would be done.
    What free will do you believe we TRULY have? We have the ability to do whatever we like. We are held accountable for every action, and we can choose NOT to do a thing. However, what you did or not do, has already been determined. How else do you think Allah instructs the angels as to whether we will be denizens of hell or heaven?

    Also, do not say " Allah would not do such a thing," and especially do not use unjust in the same sentence, creating a conditional opinion-based justice that if it did turn out that this truth was real truth, that Allah would then be implicated as unjust. Such a dangerous thing, that.

    Do not forget that Satan was created. Satan is also a soul. Satan was created with the sole purpose of doing what he did, though he chose to do it. How ever could it not be this way? Humanity would not exist on earth if Satan did not make that choice. Or do you truly believe that it was up to Satan's personal choice to completely alter the course of history for the entire human race? It was planned, and written as all things are.

    Your argument is essentially " If what you say is true, then everything I believe is untrue, and we are all living in an illusion, therefore I reject your truth."

    Believe what you must, live as you must. Allah has mentioned through hadith and through Qur'an, many implications that it has all been ordained. Make a choice, or do not make that choice... your deliberations over whether or not to do it, has been written. Speak a lie and then take it back, it has been written. Become evil, and then on your death bed, return to Allah. It has been written. Your free will is only so that you will have no excuse to say " I could not decide for myself." Nothing more.

    To accept this reality, is to accept your powerlessness. People who have atheism in their heart can never accept this truth, because it would mean that they have no control over their own selves. They fear and hate submission. We as Muslims see pre-destiny as beautiful, and we count ourselves fortunate, that Allah chose us personally to be of those guided. You will know within your own heart, whether or not you are a good man or a bad one.

    If you fight with the ability to submit to the fact that you have no control of your own destiny beyond the simplicity of choice, stop fighting. As you exit and enter into time, from past , present, and transcend future, you will understand eventually (perhaps), that the threads and weaves of action are nothing more than sinew upon the tapestry of destiny. Now move your hand to your side, and then back to its original position. Imagine that there are strings attached to your arms as you did so. Then defy that action and reverse your arm back to the side position. Do you believe you just changed your destiny? No. Allah wrote the action, the withdrawal, the recommital, and the denial. Then he smiled, and loved you, even though you doubted his power.
    Our little human minds cannot comprehend their Glorious Creator and Lord no matter how hard we try - it is only the heart that beats in sync with the Truth (Haq) when it comes across it in words, worship and daily life.

    You explained a difficult concept with much clarity for everyone to ponder :jkk:

    Like you said believe it or not, like it or not we are ultimately powerless and only through utter submission can we be saved. May Allah grants us all an understanding of His deen - ameen.

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  • SartorialMuslim
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    Originally posted by Ahmed00 View Post
    We do what we do - good deeds and bad deeds, not because it is written down that we WILL be doing this, but it is written down BECAUSE we do good deeds and bad deeds. To say otherwise negates the meaning of our free will. Not only this, but this would mean that our judgement in the Day of Judgment is already decided for us. Yes, certain things are written down as part of what's predestined for us, such as the times of our birth and death. But our actions are not bound by our books of deeds.

    Allah swt would not create a soul only to throw them in hell. To do so would be unjust, and Allah swt is the most just.

    -Yes, what is written is done so because we did that thing, but you could never claim that Allah did not know or pre-ordain that that action would be done.
    What free will do you believe we TRULY have? We have the ability to do whatever we like. We are held accountable for every action, and we can choose NOT to do a thing. However, what you did or not do, has already been determined. How else do you think Allah instructs the angels as to whether we will be denizens of hell or heaven?

    Also, do not say " Allah would not do such a thing," and especially do not use unjust in the same sentence, creating a conditional opinion-based justice that if it did turn out that this truth was real truth, that Allah would then be implicated as unjust. Such a dangerous thing, that.

    Do not forget that Satan was created. Satan is also a soul. Satan was created with the sole purpose of doing what he did, though he chose to do it. How ever could it not be this way? Humanity would not exist on earth if Satan did not make that choice. Or do you truly believe that it was up to Satan's personal choice to completely alter the course of history for the entire human race? It was planned, and written as all things are.

    Your argument is essentially " If what you say is true, then everything I believe is untrue, and we are all living in an illusion, therefore I reject your truth."

    Believe what you must, live as you must. Allah has mentioned through hadith and through Qur'an, many implications that it has all been ordained. Make a choice, or do not make that choice... your deliberations over whether or not to do it, has been written. Speak a lie and then take it back, it has been written. Become evil, and then on your death bed, return to Allah. It has been written. Your free will is only so that you will have no excuse to say " I could not decide for myself." Nothing more.

    To accept this reality, is to accept your powerlessness. People who have atheism in their heart can never accept this truth, because it would mean that they have no control over their own selves. They fear and hate submission. We as Muslims see pre-destiny as beautiful, and we count ourselves fortunate, that Allah chose us personally to be of those guided. You will know within your own heart, whether or not you are a good man or a bad one.

    If you fight with the ability to submit to the fact that you have no control of your own destiny beyond the simplicity of choice, stop fighting. As you exit and enter into time, from past , present, and transcend future, you will understand eventually (perhaps), that the threads and weaves of action are nothing more than sinew upon the tapestry of destiny. Now move your hand to your side, and then back to its original position. Imagine that there are strings attached to your arms as you did so. Then defy that action and reverse your arm back to the side position. Do you believe you just changed your destiny? No. Allah wrote the action, the withdrawal, the recommital, and the denial. Then he smiled, and loved you, even though you doubted his power.

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  • Jannahseeker,
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    Originally posted by Alina15 View Post
    How is it possible that over something so important, scholars have so opposite views....
    So far I've been reading a lot about this topic, and I am now more confused than before....
    nothing to be confused about

    there are 2 types of qadr; the one of ALlahs foreknowlge; this one cannot be changed, but the one thats written on the book; this one can, e.g, say you committed some henious sin and ALlah destined for a punishment to visit you sometime ... but you can repent and ALlah will avert that punishment

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  • Tide2006
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    I did not watch the video or read many of the replies but from what I understand...

    The video is simply meant to help you make dua more. It's not that the dua went back in time and changed something decreed....

    The tablet already has "so and so will make dua for this, this and this".."this will be the response"


    It's not that the dua changed anything per-say, God already knows you will make the dua. Just as God knows you will not make a dua.

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  • Ahmed00
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    Originally posted by SartorialMuslim View Post
    Qadr in Arabic is roughly translated to power, or in this context pre-destiny or "fate," which is an extension of the power(qadr) of Allah. Allah has informed us that our lives and our deeds have been inscribed in a book before birth, and that everything that we shall do , say, and believe has been determined. He even instructs the angels in whether he will be a denizen of hell or a denizen of heaven. Sure we make our own choices,as a way to justify our destination, but we could not change that action, even though the illusion of our minds would allow it to be so.

    To say that ANY action can change your fate, is to say that any person has the ability to un-do the writing of Allah, and thus change the words of the book. To claim this means that we ourselves, with either our spirit, force of will, or "dua," can change that which Allah has already claimed power over. In claiming that you have the power to change what Allah has decreed, you are thusly saying you have the same power or more, that Allah has( Astagfirullah). That would of course, make any individual capable of being God, or having Godly powers, which translates to Shirk.

    Do not believe in these non-muslim fallacies "the law of attraction," and the power of spirit. The law of attraction , though rooted in some truth, is simply playing the threads that Allah has already woven.

    We are muslims, we steer clear of anything that questions or challenges the power of Allah. Dua is NOT for the purpose of changing our fate, it is to please Allah, humble ourselves, and store more good deeds for our Akhirah. After all, how many dua have you made that were not granted? You have no power, only Allah does... but he is so merciful that even when he does not grant your Dua, he saves a special reward in the next life as recompense.


    The following is reported from Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud (may Allah be pleased with him): Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise." . (Buhkari)

    Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chatper 34 Surah Saba verse 3:
    3 The Unbelievers say "Never to us will come the hour". Say "Nay! But most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you by Him Who knows the unseen; from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: nor is there anything less than that or greater, but is (Decreed) in the Record Perspicuous.


    Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 94 Narrated by Ubadah ibn as-Samit
    Allah's Messenger (saws) said: The first thing which Allah created was the Pen. He commanded it to write. It asked: What should I write? He said: Write the Decree (al-Qadr). So it wrote what had happened and what was going to happen up to eternity.
    We do what we do - good deeds and bad deeds, not because it is written down that we WILL be doing this, but it is written down BECAUSE we do good deeds and bad deeds. To say otherwise negates the meaning of our free will. Not only this, but this would mean that our judgement in the Day of Judgment is already decided for us. Yes, certain things are written down as part of what's predestined for us, such as the times of our birth and death. But our actions are not bound by our books of deeds.

    Allah swt would not create a soul only to throw them in hell. To do so would be unjust, and Allah swt is the most just.
    Last edited by Ahmed00; 17-07-16, 04:40 AM.

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  • becky530
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    Originally posted by Alina15 View Post
    How is it possible that over something so important, scholars have so opposite views....
    So far I've been reading a lot about this topic, and I am now more confused than before....
    same here. I tried to look into this but came out more confused. Asked for divine guidance when all else failed but could not get even a single hint. Duas and Qadar are two very different concepts. I always felt my duas had the power to split the world in half if i asked properly and if i persevered enough but now i dont know what to believe. I still make dua but at this point i dont even know what i am doing. And the scholars only confuse and divide more

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  • Alina15
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    Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
    Sister,

    These ahadith has been graded da'if by darussalam, so be careful.

    http://www.sunnah.com/urn/674420
    http://www.sunnah.com/urn/1250900

    How is it possible that over something so important, scholars have so opposite views....
    So far I've been reading a lot about this topic, and I am now more confused than before....

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  • LailaTheMuslim
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    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    Be careful of Shaykh Albani's hasans.
    eh why?

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  • Linkdeutscher
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    Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
    Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    the first one is classed hasan though?
    hasan by al-Albani, but da'if by darussalam
    Be careful of Shaykh Albani's hasans.

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  • bhshawon
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    Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    the first one is classed hasan though?
    hasan by al-Albani, but da'if by darussalam

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  • LailaTheMuslim
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    Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
    Sister,

    These ahadith has been graded da'if by darussalam, so be careful.

    http://www.sunnah.com/urn/674420
    http://www.sunnah.com/urn/1250900
    the first one is classed hasan though?

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  • bhshawon
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    Sister,

    These ahadith has been graded da'if by darussalam, so be careful.

    http://www.sunnah.com/urn/674420
    http://www.sunnah.com/urn/1250900

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