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  • ponderingstar
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    OOOh! you posted before i replied, let me read he new post....

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  • ponderingstar
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    thank you sister,

    i can imagine telling all these things to the people that i would like to discuss this issue with but they would then say that they do not think of a thaveez as a charm, since it is just a tiny square peice of cotton with an ayat inside it it is considered to have these 'healing' powers or help to combat curses etc. due to the ayat inside.

    They also think that the thaveez does not work in and of itself but that Allah grants the wearer health or protection. i seem to think that prayer would surely be sufficient no?

    also these holymen do this thing whereby they take an item of clothing from a man and measure it in front of the man with a measuring tape.
    the first measurement will be say, 26 inches, the second measurement 36 inches and the the third measurement 16 inches.

    this happened to a friend of ours and because they did this in front of him he believes that he is cursed (The holy man told him that this proved it). I personally think they learnt some david blaine style trick, but i can't convince him because he insists that they are good holy men. I hate to judge someone elses intentions because you just don't know but it seems very suspicious to me.

    since then he's been trying everything to elevate this curse including reading the Quran but also by drinking water that has been prayed on and he is going to see someone to get him a thaveez...

    also another member of our family goes to see one of these bazurqs if members of the family are having marital problems and almost every time the bazurq guy will be all "oh yes there is a curse on them or they have had nazzar put on them because they were so happy and someone got jealous" What do people make of that?

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  • faqir
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    For the Muslims who wish to follow the understanding of the Ulema of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah read the article I have posted above from www.daruliftaa.com before shouting shirk, mushrik, pagan, or whatever.

    http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.a...nID=q-23000762



    Wasalam.

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  • faqir
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    Ahya.org?

    Some people get joy out of calling others idol worshipers - other get on and worship their One Lord.

    I heard Imam Dhahabi said that towards the end of his life his teacher Ibn Taymiyyah said words to the effect - we do not make takfir on the people who make wudu.

    Yet here we have people calling Muslims mushriks - accusing the people who bow down to Allah of being idol worshipers.

    And on what basis? The use of a ta'wiz? Do you accuse the one who uses a paracetamol to be a Mushrik? These are nothing but a means to the cure and only Allah swt has the power to Cause anything.

    Anyway, carry on in your accusations but know that your accusations are being thrown upon the Sahaba from whom this use of ta'wiz is established and if you think you know your Tawhid better than the best of generations then so be it.

    And Allah knows best.

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  • lonely_me
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    Charms and amulets contradict Tawheed

    Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allah) is the core of Islam. One of the fundamental beliefs of Tawheed is that Allah alone has the Power to benefit and harm, it is He alone Who can bring good and avert evil. Any notion, belief or saying, which contradicts this belief, leads to the unforgivable sin of Shirk (associating partners with Allah). Allah says: "Verily, Allah will not forgive Shirk, but He forgives anything besides it to whomsoever He wishes." [Soorah an-Nisa (4): 48]

    The belief associated with good luck charms that they attract good fortune and avert evil is thus committing Shirk. It was the practice of the Arabs at the time of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) to wear lockets, bracelets, beads, shells, etc. as charms. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) is reported to have rejected all such practices.

    Uqbah (radhiallahu anhu) reported: "Once a group of men approached the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) to give their oaths of allegiance. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) accepted the oath from nine but refused one. When he was asked the reason, he (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) replied: "Verily, he is wearing an amulet (a charm)." The man put his hand in his cloak, pulled the amulet off and broke it, then made the oath. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "Whoever wears an amulet has committed Shirk." [Musnad Ahmad. This Hadeeth was classed as Saheeh by Shaikh al-Albanee in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, (492)]

    When new people accepted Islam during the time of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) ; they often carried with them some pagan beliefs. One of them was the belief in charms, Abu Waaqid al-Laythee reported when Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) set out for Hunayn (the site of a major battle), they passed by a tree called Dhat Anwaar. The idolaters used to hang their weapons on its branches for good fortune. Some of the Sahabah y who were new to Islam asked the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) to assign a similar tree for the Muslims. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) reprimanded them and said: "Subhan-Allah! This is just like what Moosa's people said to him: 'O Moosa! Make for us a god like they have gods." [At-Tirmidhee, Musnad Ahmad and others.]

    This Hadeeth demonstrates the grave danger of believing in charms, which are objects, like beads, bones, seashells, threads, horseshoe, nails etc. worn in the necks or hung on walls in order to avert evil and bring good fortune. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) compared charms to idols and fake gods, who are worshiped instead of Allah.

    This is because belief in charms represents the same belief of the idol worshipers. One who wears charm considers it (the charm) to have the Divine Power to benefit and harm. Besides, the charm is supposed to be more powerful than Allah, because they are considered to be able to avert misfortune, which Allah has already destined. Therefore, Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) has cursed those who use them. Uqbah Ibn Amir reported that the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) once said: "May Allah cause failure and unrest to whoever wears a charm or puts it on others." [Musnad Ahmad and Haakim]
    • Charms as a means of idol worship:

    Charms sometimes include pictures of saints and graves. Pictures are forbidden in Islam, and it should be made known that the basic reason behind the prohibition of pictures was to prevent Shirk from entering into the Aqeedah of the Muslims.

    Shirk first crept into the previous nation through pictures and graves. When righteous men died, people would erect their statues and make their pictures in places of gathering. The later generations eventually venerated these pictures and statues, and worshiped them besides Allah. When the churches of Ethiopia containing pictures were mentioned to Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam), he said: "If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creatures in the Sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection." [Saheeh al-Bukharee and Saheeh Muslim]

    Islam has prohibited all means, which could result in Shirk; one of them is the prohibitions is portraying pictures and hanging them. Moreover, hanging pictures of saints and graves in necks and believing them to be a means of blessings, or believing them to be able to avert evil is a clear Shirk, because this belief implies giving Divine Power to avert evil and bring good fortune, which is unique for Allah alone, to created beings.

    • Charms as a means of Healing Sickness:

    Another popular use of charms is that it is regarded as a remedy to many diseases or protection from the evil eye. This kind of use is also prohibited, Imraan Ibn Hussain (radhiallahu anhu) reported that when the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) saw a brass bangle on a man's upper arm, he said to him, "Woe be on you. What is this?" The man replied that it was to protect him from a sickness called Waahinah (weakness). The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) then said: "Cast it off, for verily, it would only increase your weakness. And if you die with it on, you will never succeed." [Musnad Ahmad and others]

    Meaning Allah will not protect him, who hangs charms on his body, rather He would abandon him and assign him to the charm, which will avail him nothing. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "He who wears a thing shall be committed to it." [At-Tirmidhee]

    A Muslim's attitude in times of sickness should be to be patient and seek help with Allah. "And (remember) Ayyub, when he called to his Lord, 'Verily, adversity has touched me, and You are the Most Merciful of the Merciful.' So, We answered his call, and removed all afflictions." [Soorah al-Ambiya (21): 83]

    The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) advised Ibn Abbas (radhiallahu anhu) and said: "When you invoke, invoke Allah alone, and when you ask for help, ask Allah alone. And know that if the nation (meaning mankind and the Jinn) came together to bring you benefit, they can never bring you any benefit except that which Allah has written for you. And if they came together to harm you, they will never be able to harm you, except what Allah has written for you. The pens have already been raised (and stopped writing) and the pages have dried." [Musnad Ahmad and at-Tirmidhee]

    Allah says: "Give glad tidings to the patient those who when afflicted with a calamity, say: 'Truly, to Allah we belong; truly to Him will we return.' It is those who will be awarded blessings and mercy from their Lord; and it is these who are the guided ones." [Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 155]

    Therefore, he who resigns to Allah, seeks refuge in Him and commits his affairs to Him, Allah will suffice him, and make the difficulty easy for him. But he who attaches himself to the creation of Allah, like charms and amulets, Allah will abandon him to what he attaches himself to, and nothing will avail him of those things which neither harm nor benefit anyone. By using charms, the slave severs his relation with Allah and destroys his own creed.


    It is a duty on the Muslim to safeguard his Aqeedah and the Aqeedah of his family members against all defects. He should not take unlawful remedies, nor approach misleading healers, because they will blemish his heart and creed. He who depends on Allah, Allah will suffice him.

    The Sahabah (radhiallahu anhu) were very strict in regards to charms and omens, whether it be within one's family or outside it. Zaynab, the wife of Abdullah Ibn Mas'oud, reports that once Ibn Mas'oud saw a cord of necklace around her neck and asked, 'What is it?' She replied: 'It is a cord in which a spell has been placed to help me.' He snatched it from her neck, broke it and said: "Surely the family of Abdullah has no need for Shirk! I have heard Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) say: 'Verily spells, talismans and charms are Shirk.'"

    Zaynab replied: 'Why are you saying this? My eye used to twitch and when I went to so and so, the Jew, he put a spell on it and it stopped twitching.' Ibn Mas'oud said: 'Verily, it was only a devil prodding it with his hand, so when you had it bewitched he left it. It would have been sufficient for you to say:

    Transliteration: "Idh-habil-ba's Rabban-naas washfi antash-shafee Laa shifaa' illa shifaa'uk shifaa'aan laa yughaadiruhu saqama"

    "Remove the suffering, O Lord of mankind and heal it perfectly as You are the True Healer. There is no cure except Your cure; a cure which is not followed by sickness." [Sunan Abu Dawood (vol: 3, no: 3874)] Classed as Saheeh by al-Albanee in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah (331 and 2972)]


    A sick person can resort to permissible means of treatment like medicines, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "Seek treatment, because Allah did not create a sickness but has created a treatment for it, except for old age." [Abu Dawood. Authenticated by Shaikh al-Albanee in Saheeh al-Jami no: 29302] In this context, magnetic belts, etc., which have been medically proven to have health benefits can be used for treatment. They do not fall under the category of charms and omens.
    • Casual use of Charms

    Sometimes the use of charms is not due to false beliefs, but is merely an imitation of the Kuffar, which is also a very serious issue. Muslims are strictly prohibited from adopting any non-Islamic practice or imitating the non-Muslims, whether it be creed or actions. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) has warned the Muslim Ummah in several Ahaadeeth on different occasions against imitation of the Kuffar, he (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) once said: "Whoever imitates a people, he is one of them." [(Saheeh) Musnad Ahmad (vol: 2, no: 50)]

    Therefore, any resemblance to the Kuffar in any aspect must be strictly avoided. If the charm used has a religious significance to the disbelievers, like the cross of the Christians, saffron strings or black threads of the Hindus, etc. then the matter becomes even more grave.

    http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?...icle&artid=161
    Last edited by lonely_me; 23-11-04, 09:13 PM.

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  • lonely_me
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    Oh well...seekhri hoon thoda thoda...so take it easy on me

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  • faqir
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    Using of Amulets (ta'wizes).
    Question # q-23000762 Date Posted: 04/02/2004






    In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

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  • lonely_me
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    [QUOTE=ponderingstar]aap ko kasay aysee bath kurnee ay?


    QUOTE]


    seekh lia bahanji ;)

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  • Ebony
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    My brother was given a taveez after he had suffered a grand mal seizure 4 yrs ago (happened the one time..not had a repeat of it, alhamdulillah) but my brother refused to wear it, dismissing it as superstition and shirk.

    Ws

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  • Baby Paw
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    PonderingStar, I would anticipate feed-back off other individuals who utilise this forum.

    Speaking personally, I have buried the thaveez that I had, as I firmly believe that faith in Allah is the best protection of all.

    My family members weae thaveez, some say it is permissable, some say it is not.

    One usually finds that when it comes to such issues and one tries addressing it to their loved ones, friction can arise, and so arguments can ensue.

    If you do not get feed-back via other peoples opinions on this thread, then I would advise that you speak to your local Imam and get a full explanation with regards to the matter at hand. If not still satisfied with the answer that you receive, then ask around some more and talk to more knowledgable people, until your conscious is satisfied.

    I have been going through some strange experiences myself in recent times, however, I'd rather not resort to counsel off holy men or thaveez.

    Sometimes one finds that the battle is psychological and nothing else more.

    However, when it comes to finding answers to certain questions it is always worth speaking to those who are more knowledgable than us, if in doubt.

    Remaining headstrong and having utmost faith in Allah will erode away ones nafs and other designs of evil.

    May Allah give you strength and make clear the answers that you seek.

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  • ponderingstar
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    Oh no i definitely wouldn't wear a thaveez, but certain members of my family would, and so i wouldn't really mind finding our if there were any specific verses or facts that i could use to convince them otherwise. (or convince me that it was okay even since i think it's rather bad)

    i mean when these people just consider these holy men to be wiser than them they can really justify anything they do...

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  • Baby Paw
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    I have no idea pondering star, there is a variety of opinion on this subject.

    If in doubt leave alone, your faith is in your heart, you don't need an amulet to protect to when you have your faith in Allah Almighty

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  • ponderingstar
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    aap ko kasay aysee bath kurnee ay?


    oh and i thought i might bump this up if no one minds since i wouldn't mind a bit more feedback...

    thaveez: is it haram?

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  • lonely_me
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    behan mujhe yay topic achi dikthi hai...

    Allah apko acha rakhay...:up:

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  • Baby Paw
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    Before you go to sleep does one not recite surah Al Falaq, Surah Al Nas, Ayat Ul Kursi and other surah and dua and then blow on themselves and across the room?

    I know I do this and via the protection of Allah, I usually get a peaceful nights sleep.

    It's when I forget to recite the aforementioned, and fall asleep without the dhikr of Allah, when things sometimes get a bit wierd.

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