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  • MG
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    Originally posted by ponderingstar
    Thank you Muslim girl! I think i agree with this bt can you tell me the source? Also if a person is Illiterate... is it permissable then? I would still think it would make more sense to read the Quran in the presence of the person. Unless the person is TOOOOOO busy to sit there. i mean there are illiterate muslims in this world who work excessivey, I know that many people read verses and blow on water... maybe this is allowed in such cases ? BUt would that be allowed for people who are not illiterate? And what of those who can read a translatrion of the quran but have learnt arabic?

    any feedback would be appreciated. I would be interested whatthe various schools of thought has to say about these matters....
    We have no record of the Prophet s.a.w wearing quranic verses (thaveez) or allowing them to be worn. The wearing of quranic charms(thaveez) also contradicts the prophetic method of breaking spells and averting evil.The sunnah is to recite certain quranic chapters (113th and 114th) and verses (e.g ayatul kursee,2:255,sahih bukhari) when evil approaches. The only prescribed method of gaining good fortune from the quran is also by its recitation and application. The Prophet s.a.w said, "whoever recites a letter from Allah's book earns a good deed and each good deed is worth ten times its value. I am not saying that ALIF LAAM MEEM is one letter but that ALIF is a letter, LAAM is a letter and MEEM is a letter." (by Ahmed and al-hakeem).

    Wearing the quran in an amulet is like a sick man given a prescription by a doctor. Instead of reading it and getting the medicine, he rolls it into a ball, puts it in a pouch and hangs it around his neck, believing that it will make him better!!!

    As long as one who wears a quranic charm believes that it will avert evil and bring good fortune, he has given a part of creation the POWER to cancel what Allah has already destined. Consequently, he/she will depend on it instead of depending on Allah. This is the essence of the SHIRK involving charms, as is evident from the following narration:

    " Eesa ibn Hamzah said, "once i came to visit 'Abdullah ibn 'Ukaym and found Hamzah with him, I asked 'Abdullah, "dont you wear a Tameemah (charm)?" He replied, "May Allah give us refuge from that! Dont you know that Allah's messenger s.a.w said , "Whoever wears a necklace or bracelet, depends on it". (tirmeedhi).

    One who wears it for decoration does NOT commit shirk but most who wear it do so for protection from evil and as such, fall into an aspect of shirk in the fundamental Islamic principal of TAWHEED.

    A conscious effort has to be made to purify one's belief of all that would detract from a pure concept of TAWHEED.

    We as muslims must be careful to avoid using the quran as a goodluck charm. By hanging it in their cars,on key chains, bracelets, necklaces the way non-muslims use their various amulets and talismans, they open the door to SHIRK!!!

    hope this helps!

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  • Shaolin's-Finest
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    Originally posted by Baby Paw
    What about Kunjree and Dhakair?
    wats that?

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  • Baby Paw
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    What about Kunjree and Dhakair?

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  • Shaolin's-Finest
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    Originally posted by Ebony
    Yes...iv heard stories like these from both my parents...grandparents u name it.
    Makes good for time pass.
    lol! They are true. Why dont you pop over to pakistan and camp in the forest :P

    You be in no time!

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  • Ebony
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    Originally posted by Shaid_b
    NoOoOo....lol. Trust me, its not men in cloaks,weeping. Its like im walking down, then i see my brother. Start talking to him. You get home and he says hes gonna do afew things, and he'll be back later on. He walks of, while you step into the house. Next thing, you see ur whole family including your bro sitting talking...and your like "huh, i was talkin to ya a min ago, n you went in the other direction". He's like, " errmmmm no, ive been sitting here for the last hour".
    Yes...iv heard stories like these from both my parents...grandparents u name it.
    Makes good for time pass.

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  • ponderingstar
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    Originally posted by muslim girl
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    Is wearing a "thaveez" wrong or acceptable? How likely is it that someone can intentionally or unintentionally put "nazzar" on someone else? Are there certain verses in the Quran to specifically 'combat' these things?

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    thaveez is a form of shirk and quranic verses should not be worn like this but READ by the person who wants help from allah. People in my family do this and it really makes me angry.

    The reason for this is because when u wear thaveez u are putting FAITH in the TAVEEZ, ufeel if u dont wear it ,something will happen to you but really u shoudl be turniong to allah and RECITING these verses u have round your neck,arm etc.

    Shirk is the biggest sin someone can commit,be carefull becasue there is so many ways that it can be commited that u would not even have thought about.
    Thank you Muslim girl! I think i agree with this bt can you tell me the source? Also if a person is Illiterate... is it permissable then? I would still think it would make more sense to read the Quran in the presence of the person. Unless the person is TOOOOOO busy to sit there. i mean there are illiterate muslims in this world who work excessivey, I know that many people read verses and blow on water... maybe this is allowed in such cases ? BUt would that be allowed for people who are not illiterate? And what of those who can read a translatrion of the quran but have learnt arabic?

    any feedback would be appreciated. I would be interested whatthe various schools of thought has to say about these matters....

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  • fearfull_22
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    lets make it interesting has anyone came across something which they coulden't explain, it could be anything

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  • MG
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    Quote:

    Is wearing a "thaveez" wrong or acceptable? How likely is it that someone can intentionally or unintentionally put "nazzar" on someone else? Are there certain verses in the Quran to specifically 'combat' these things?

    Answer:

    thaveez is a form of shirk and quranic verses should not be worn like this but READ by the person who wants help from allah. People in my family do this and it really makes me angry.

    The reason for this is because when u wear thaveez u are putting FAITH in the TAVEEZ, ufeel if u dont wear it ,something will happen to you but really u shoudl be turniong to allah and RECITING these verses u have round your neck,arm etc.

    Shirk is the biggest sin someone can commit,be carefull becasue there is so many ways that it can be commited that u would not even have thought about.

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  • Shaolin's-Finest
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    Originally posted by Ebony
    yeah..most of the time u see a man (men/women) walking about wearing a cloak, wailing and weeping..cz he has nowhere else to go

    quite easy to mistake them for ghosts and what not i suppose :eek2:
    NoOoOo....lol. Trust me, its not men in cloaks,weeping. Its like im walking down, then i see my brother. Start talking to him. You get home and he says hes gonna do afew things, and he'll be back later on. He walks of, while you step into the house. Next thing, you see ur whole family including your bro sitting talking...and your like "huh, i was talkin to ya a min ago, n you went in the other direction". He's like, " errmmmm no, ive been sitting here for the last hour".

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  • Shaolin's-Finest
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    Ok. Lemme tell you lot a story :P. My dad was about 14. He lived in pakisatn at the time. And you know how 14 year olds are like...Well back to the story. He was playing catch catch with his friend. He was chasing his friend, but then lost him. Then my dad spotted his friend after looking high and low for about 30seconds. He chased him. His friend ran, he kept running as my dad chased him. My dad chased him for about 40 seconds. The friend ran into the forest. He, would not stop, he kept running. My dad thought that this is pretty dodgy, so he stopped chasing him. He went back home, took him about 5minutes as he had ran far for his house. When he got back, he saw his friend sitting on the doorstep waiting for him. My dad said "Didnt you run into the jungle?". His friend replied "No, ive been sitting here waiting for you for the last 10 minutes".

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  • Ebony
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    Originally posted by Shaid_b
    If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...
    yeah..most of the time u see a man (men/women) walking about wearing a cloak, wailing and weeping..cz he has nowhere else to go

    quite easy to mistake them for ghosts and what not i suppose :eek2:

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  • ponderingstar
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    Originally posted by Shaid_b
    If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...
    yeah all these brown people..it's scary man....

    :D

    j/k shaid, you know i like to mess wid yo' head ay?

    things are spookier in pakistan...

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  • lonely_me
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    Originally posted by Shaid_b
    If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...
    *interested and planning to go there someday to get surprised,herself*

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  • Shaolin's-Finest
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    Originally posted by Stanley Stunodd
    Who truly knows the workings of the spiritual world?
    And how they interact with our own world?

    If one believes in such a world, they are more prone to notice goings-on
    If you don't believe in such activity, you will find a logical reason for it's existence.
    Well usually they are only able to interact with us through another being. That being commits shirk because he no longer believes in Allah but obeys the jinn. The jinn does things for the man. In return the the jinn asks for the man's soul.
    If you have heard of that jewish magician guy who actually moved a boat over the grand canyon in a matter of seconds. No man in the world could ever do that, it is impossible. He gave up his soul to the jinn whom carried out the task for him. As Allah created the jinn and gave them powers like being able to travel at the speed of light, and turn into any object they wish.
    If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...

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  • Stanley Stunodd
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    Who truly knows the workings of the spiritual world?
    And how they interact with our own world?

    If one believes in such a world, they are more prone to notice goings-on
    If you don't believe in such activity, you will find a logical reason for it's existence.

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