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  • #91
    Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

    Originally posted by LLS View Post
    All slavery is an abomination, how would you feel to be a slave? I bet you wouldn't be comfortable owning any yourself either.
    Muslims are not allowed to take another Muslim as slave, so she doesn't need to know how would she feel if she was a slave.
    Winning an argument doesn't mean you're on truth, losing an argument doesn't mean you're on falsehood.

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    • #92
      Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

      Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
      Muslims are not allowed to take another Muslim as slave, so she doesn't need to know how would she feel if she was a slave.
      Which shows non-Muslims are seen as inferior.

      Regardless of that, she can still feel empathy for people who aren't Muslim and also just because Muslims haven't been the slaves of Muslims doesn't mean they have never been the slaves of anyone else.

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      • #93
        Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

        Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
        Muslims are not allowed to take another Muslim as slave, so she doesn't need to know how would she feel if she was a slave.
        Be careful what you wish for. Maybe the world will be inspired by your example to start taking Muslims as slaves.

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        • #94
          Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

          Originally posted by ExNihilo View Post
          Be careful what you wish for. Maybe the world will be inspired by your example to start taking Muslims as slaves.
          Hopefully, so people start waking up
          "There will never cease to remain a group from my Ummah fighting upon the command of Allah, subjugating their enemies. They are not harmed by those who oppose them, until the Hour arrives".

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          • #95
            Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

            Originally posted by LLS View Post
            Which shows non-Muslims are seen as inferior.

            Regardless of that, she can still feel empathy for people who aren't Muslim and also just because Muslims haven't been the slaves of Muslims doesn't mean they have never been the slaves of anyone else.
            Slave of Muslims are much different than slavery practiced by non Muslims, for example the 'niggers' who lived inhuman lives with zero rights less than two centuries ago.

            In Islam you can't mistreat a slave. You have to feed them from what you it, clothe them from what you wear, can't overwork them, can't beat them etc. Also the slavery practiced by other people, like kidnapping free men into slavery is specifically forbidden in Islam, only POWs are allowed as slaves.
            Source: https://islamqa.info/en/94840
            Winning an argument doesn't mean you're on truth, losing an argument doesn't mean you're on falsehood.

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            • #96
              Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

              Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
              Slave of Muslims are much different than slavery practiced by non Muslims, for example the 'niggers' who lived inhuman lives with zero rights less than two centuries ago.

              In Islam you can't mistreat a slave. You have to feed them from what you it, clothe them from what you wear, can't overwork them, can't beat them etc. Also the slavery practiced by other people, like kidnapping free men into slavery is specifically forbidden in Islam, only POWs are allowed as slaves.




              Source: https://islamqa.info/en/94840
              Oh no, another one that doesn't realise Muslims kidnapped whole villages and sold them into slavery.

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              • #97
                Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                Originally posted by LLS View Post
                Oh no, another one that doesn't realise Muslims kidnapped whole villages and sold them into slavery.

                kidnapped whole villages that were at war or didn't pay for jizya for security , even then , certain people are free from slavery , better go read up on that also from those history sites.



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                • #98
                  Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                  Originally posted by noobz View Post
                  kidnapped whole villages that were at war or didn't pay for jizya for security , even then , certain people are free from slavery , better go read up on that also from those history sites.
                  Nope, just kidnapped random people and sailed away with them.

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                  • #99
                    Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                    Originally posted by LLS View Post
                    Nope, just kidnapped random people and sailed away with them.
                    and then brought them to gitmo for obama care.



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                    • Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                      Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
                      Slave of Muslims are much different than slavery practiced by non Muslims,
                      In theory.

                      In practice, not so much difference.

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                      • Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                        Originally posted by noobz View Post
                        and then brought them to gitmo for obama care.
                        Wrong again.

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                        • Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                          Originally posted by LLS View Post
                          Wrong again.
                          ah yes , cause only the colonialists write history and preserve it.



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                          • Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                            Originally posted by LLS View Post
                            All slavery is an abomination, how would you feel to be a slave? I bet you wouldn't be comfortable owning any yourself either.
                            I'm black American so I have ancestors who were slaves. I already know about the history of slavery in the west and in other country's. And how horrible they were treated. Islam came and gave slaves their due rights. It also encouraged the freeing of slaves mashaAllah. It did not come to abolish slavery as there is nothing wrong with it. If slavery was a complete abomination it would have been made haram, as Allah does not permit evildoing.

                            Are you muslim?
                            Narrated Anas:
                            The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother what he likes for himself." [Bukhari]

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                            • Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                              Originally posted by ms.muslimah View Post
                              I'm black American so I have ancestors who were slaves. I already know about the history of slavery in the west and in other country's. And how horrible they were treated. Islam came and gave slaves their due rights. It also encouraged the freeing of slaves mashaAllah. It did not come to abolish slavery as there is nothing wrong with it. If slavery was a complete abomination it would have been made haram, as Allah does not permit evildoing.

                              Are you muslim?
                              Your ancestors may have a different point of view to your own. It doesn't matter what the Islamic rules of slavery were if they were not followed through, which is how whole villages were raided and transported in ships to be sold (both African and European people). What the Islamic rules were would have meant nothing to those stolen people, especially as some were to be worked to death.

                              There is someone on this board who believes his friend treats his slaves well so there is nothing wrong with the fact these women have had their freedom taken away. Try to imagine how those slaves must feel, put yourself in their shoes.

                              Perhaps Allah would be proud that humans on the most part are now above slavery and see it as morally wrong or perhaps if there is a god that supports people having their lives crushed and for them to be torn away from their homes and families to serve another lazy, greedy person, that god is not perfect.

                              Of course you may believe slavery to be wrong but don't say so out of fear you are committing kufr.

                              I'm not Muslim so I have no need to defend slavery.

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                              • Re: What does Islam say about slavery?

                                Originally posted by ExNihilo View Post
                                In theory.

                                In practice, not so much difference.
                                Not fault of Islam.
                                Winning an argument doesn't mean you're on truth, losing an argument doesn't mean you're on falsehood.

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