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    Assalam aalykum

    As I replied to the western career women thread it got removed so I thought why waste a post? It would be complete disservice to not only the graphical pixels used to create letters and the webspace consumed but also to energy used in typing and posting. SO I have removed some bits but would like to propose the following:

    <begin>

    Islam doesn't look down upon women who work, whether out of need or not - Islam allows both men and women to lead public lives but aims to provide an environment where both male and female can thrive not only in thier worship to Allah azz wa jal but to contribute towards the Islamic society. It is unfortunate that Muslims today are having to live devoid of such an ideal Islamic society and the absence of it has caused many confusions in response of which some scholars decided to resolve this by restricting the women. Although a sensible decision in light of the society we live in but it also caused severe intellectual decline amongst the women making institute of scholars exclusive to men hence completly sidelining women to a household machine passed from father to husband to son. Obviously, keeping everything in mind the sisters who work or those who chose to stay at home are not anymore pious than each other or should not be looked down upon for any reason.

    It's all about choices and decisions, these should be respected!

    I wish and sincerely pray that one day insha'Allah we all find ourselves living in a society most compatible with our beliefs where as Muslims we can function and prosper as Muslims. May Allah ta'ala bring us closer to that day.

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    Last edited by Salman Al-Farsi; 10-06-14, 12:29 PM.
    "The objective behind Shari'ah is to liberate individuals from his desires in order to be a true Abd (slave) of Allah and that is the legitimate Maslaha... Violating the Shari'ah under the pretext of following Maqasid al-Shari'ah is like the one who cares about the spirit without the body and since the body without the spirit is useless therefore the spirit without the body is useless too." ~ Imam Shatibi - The greatest intellectual founder of Maqasid al-Shari'ah

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    :wswrwb:

    typo in there
    وَالْعَصْرِ

    إِنَّ الْإِنسَانَ لَفِي خُسْرٍ

    إِلَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ


    "Yeh dunya daar e faani hain, Tum apna dil mat lagaon, Ganimat samaj zinadagee ki bahar, aana na hoga, yahaa baar baar......"

    Khanqah Habibiyah

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    • #3
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      really?
      "The objective behind Shari'ah is to liberate individuals from his desires in order to be a true Abd (slave) of Allah and that is the legitimate Maslaha... Violating the Shari'ah under the pretext of following Maqasid al-Shari'ah is like the one who cares about the spirit without the body and since the body without the spirit is useless therefore the spirit without the body is useless too." ~ Imam Shatibi - The greatest intellectual founder of Maqasid al-Shari'ah

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      • #4
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        Good post akhi.

        As a female you can go out to work without compromising on your spirituality.

        As Muslimahs living in present day UK, maintaining ones connection to Allah swt is a challenge even in the best of environments.

        For me, just adhering to some very simple guidelines in my work life, as well as my wider life has really helped alhumdollilah:

        The eyes, ears, mouth and nose are all gateways to the heart and soul. Even if you don’t realise it, it does and will have an effect on you somewhere internally.

        Be careful of the company that you keep, the food that you eat, the things that you listen to, and be very careful of what you say.

        This is especially when out of the “home” environment, where we don’t have to be as vigilant about these things.

        Also make a lot of dua, if you are a sister…..I have always been very particular about where I work, and there are a number of conditions that I have when looking for a job. It takes me a bit longer to find something but Alhumdollilah Allah swt always provides when you don’t compromise on Deen.

        i.e. I choose my hours, not my employer, I wear what I want, I won’t work on a Friday, my parents will ALWAYS come before my work, even if it means I’m late in the morning, or early to go home ( but make up the hours afterwards), a female environment, walking distance from my house…….and a number of other things.

        Although I may not mention these things to my manager, its things that I bear in mind.

        And Alhumdollilah I’ve always had a job that allows me all these things, and a lot more, and they are truly from Allah swt and no one else.

        I really think it depends on what you do, but you can be a female and work in place where you don’t have to compromise your Deen in any way.
        وَالْعَصْرِ

        إِنَّ الْإِنسَانَ لَفِي خُسْرٍ

        إِلَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ


        "Yeh dunya daar e faani hain, Tum apna dil mat lagaon, Ganimat samaj zinadagee ki bahar, aana na hoga, yahaa baar baar......"

        Khanqah Habibiyah

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        • #5
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          People on this forum simply dont like hearing it because they are mostly culturally brainwashed and hate the idea of women working as it means we are their equals now rather than being inferior to them. and are NOT willing to spend our married lives merely being stuck in the house cooking dinner for our husbands. Poor things probably grew up watching their mothers and all their aunties serving their fathers and thought 'I can't wait till I get a wife like that of my own' lol

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          • #6
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            Jzk

            I also think all of what you said sister Jennica, equally applies to brothers too. Guys often have this idea that it is out of necessity they must work but not making the extra effort to ensure where and how we work is not compromising.
            Last edited by Salman Al-Farsi; 10-06-14, 03:10 PM.
            "The objective behind Shari'ah is to liberate individuals from his desires in order to be a true Abd (slave) of Allah and that is the legitimate Maslaha... Violating the Shari'ah under the pretext of following Maqasid al-Shari'ah is like the one who cares about the spirit without the body and since the body without the spirit is useless therefore the spirit without the body is useless too." ~ Imam Shatibi - The greatest intellectual founder of Maqasid al-Shari'ah

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            • #7
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              Women should work part time not full time, choose a career wisely, a career that gives you the ability to be flexible like a pharmacist for example, nothing in the business world as managers for examples.

              My cousin she was in a top position working for Pepsi in the accounts department as a senior manager and as soon as she had her child she had to give up that position she worked her entire life for because she didn't want any outsider other than her parents to look after her child. She made a huge mistake in career choice.

              I think the question is not if women should or can work, it's what career will be suitable and flexible to raise a family in a part time position.

              I'm shocked how backwards some of the brothers are here on the forums, grow up, times are changing and economic team work is healthy even if it's for the first few years of marriage.

              Do not invest your hopes in anyone but Allah and do not fear anything but the consequences and repercussions of your sins!

              Uthmaan R.A

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Asma28 View Post
                People on this forum simply dont like hearing it because they are mostly culturally brainwashed and hate the idea of women working as it means we are their equals now rather than being inferior to them. and are NOT willing to spend our married lives merely being stuck in the house cooking dinner for our husbands. Poor things probably grew up watching their mothers and all their aunties serving their fathers and thought 'I can't wait till I get a wife like that of my own' lol
                This is the mentality that I do not understand.

                Your whole perception - the societies perception - and women perception especially is that by women working, it INCREASES your status, and only through that are you on the level playing ground as the man, which is the perception of the kuffar system.

                We are equal, but not the same - and thus we do NOT have the same roles. Why can you not comprehend that?

                The fact that this attitude exists within the Muslim circles shows why we DO NOT have stability in our communities. Women think they are equal when working - thus any women that is a housewife is a doormat, slave etc(words from sisters on this forum themselves - outrageous) - when you do not have a stable household, you will NEVER have a stable community.


                I have said this same thing 100 times - I will say it again - and let you find a fault in the below system.

                With daughters - they study to about 16-18(making that 6th form(?)) - then they have picked up to a good level - the main areas of English, Maths and Science. So any excuse that we do not let Muslim women study or are keeping Muslim women backward is chucked out. After 18 years, they leave school and take on more domestic duties, helping the mother at home and also taking more time to study Islamic classes and classes about women roles in Islam and basically helping the women mature!

                From that point on, about 19-20 - a women should start looking for marriage - whilst continuing her deeni studies as well as helping out at home - This is the perfect time for looking - as well as keeping up personal development.

                And now - for those people who come out and talk about how we need female teachers and doctors - THOSE women who wish to specialise - can go on to university after 6th form and study and then go on to work, but this is specialising - areas where we NEED muslim women and not just there for the sake of working - so nursing, teachers etc - not media studies, business studies, art, drama, etc

                We are not living in a society that is compatible with our beliefs and is accommodating to them - we do need educated women - but that is not proven by paper aka degree - we need Muslim women - confident Muslim women - who are proud about being Muslim women - not to take pride from a good degree or a good job - but because they are respected, honourable women - who do not follow Western Societies aim of what they want from women.

                I am not backward - neither am I cultural - However, I am looking for stability- and that is through the man out working and the women at home - generally.
                Last edited by QMU; 10-06-14, 04:00 PM.

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                  Wot bout freemixing. Depends wot kind of job.

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                    Originally posted by QMU View Post
                    This is the mentality that I do not understand.

                    Your whole perception - the societies perception - and women perception especially is that by women working, it INCREASES your status, and only through that are you on the level playing ground as the man, which is the perception of the kuffar system.

                    We are equal, but not the same - and thus we do NOT have the same roles. Why can you not comprehend that?

                    The fact that this attitude exists within the Muslim circles shows why we DO NOT have stability in our communities. Women think they are equal when working - thus any women that is a housewife is a doormat, slave etc(words from sisters on this forum themselves - outrageous) - when you do not have a stable household, you will NEVER have a stable community.


                    I have said this same thing 100 times - I will say it again - and let you find a fault in the below system.

                    With daughters - they study to about 16-18(making that 6th form(?)) - then they have picked up to a good level - the main areas of English, Maths and Science. So any excuse that we do not let Muslim women study or are keeping Muslim women backward is chucked out. After 18 years, they leave school and take on more domestic duties, helping the mother at home and also taking more time to study Islamic classes and classes about women roles in Islam and basically helping the women mature!

                    From that point on, about 19-20 - a women should start looking for marriage - whilst continuing her deeni studies as well as helping out at home.


                    And now - to the people who come out - about how we need female teachers and doctors - THOSE women who wish to specialise - can go on to university after 6th form and study and then go on to work, but this is specialising - areas where we NEED muslim women and not just there for the sake of working - so nursing, teachers etc - not media studies, business studies, art, drama, etc

                    We are not living in a society that is compatible with our beliefs and is accommodating to them - we do need educated women - but that is not proven by paper aka degree - we need Muslim women - confident Muslim women - who are proud about being Muslim women - not to take pride from a good degree or a good job - but because they are respected, honourable women - who do not follow Western Societies aim of what they want from women..
                    You don't understand it because you are a man, this has got nothing to do with what western societies expect from women. If it was said in the Qu'ran that the roles were reversed and men were the ones who were in charge of looking after the homes do you think so many of them would happily comply to being househusbands? you don't see any of them actively going out to seek both - work and looking after the home?

                    This is just going to be your lifelong excuse for hating on women who choose to combine the two, 'religion says' therefore why is every woman not getting married at the age of 20?
                    And where did you come up with the assumption that working muslim women aren't proud to be muslim?
                    Yet another man who thinks he knows everything there is to know about women!
                    Last edited by Asma28; 10-06-14, 04:04 PM.

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                      Re: Muslim, Women, and Working...

                      Originally posted by QMU View Post
                      This is the mentality that I do not understand.

                      Your whole perception - the societies perception - and women perception especially is that by women working, it INCREASES your status, and only through that are you on the level playing ground as the man, which is the perception of the kuffar system.

                      We are equal, but not the same - and thus we do NOT have the same roles. Why can you not comprehend that?

                      The fact that this attitude exists within the Muslim circles shows why we DO NOT have stability in our communities. Women think they are equal when working - thus any women that is a housewife is a doormat, slave etc(words from sisters on this forum themselves - outrageous) - when you do not have a stable household, you will NEVER have a stable community.


                      I have said this same thing 100 times - I will say it again - and let you find a fault in the below system.

                      With daughters - they study to about 16-18(making that 6th form(?)) - then they have picked up to a good level - the main areas of English, Maths and Science. So any excuse that we do not let Muslim women study or are keeping Muslim women backward is chucked out. After 18 years, they leave school and take on more domestic duties, helping the mother at home and also taking more time to study Islamic classes and classes about women roles in Islam and basically helping the women mature!

                      From that point on, about 19-20 - a women should start looking for marriage - whilst continuing her deeni studies as well as helping out at home - This is the perfect time for looking - as well as keeping up personal development.

                      And now - for those people who come out and talk about how we need female teachers and doctors - THOSE women who wish to specialise - can go on to university after 6th form and study and then go on to work, but this is specialising - areas where we NEED muslim women and not just there for the sake of working - so nursing, teachers etc - not media studies, business studies, art, drama, etc

                      We are not living in a society that is compatible with our beliefs and is accommodating to them - we do need educated women - but that is not proven by paper aka degree - we need Muslim women - confident Muslim women - who are proud about being Muslim women - not to take pride from a good degree or a good job - but because they are respected, honourable women - who do not follow Western Societies aim of what they want from women.

                      I am not backward - neither am I cultural - However, I am looking for stability- and that is through the man out working and the women at home - generally.
                      This sounds like a fairy tale world where all women's situations and environments are the same and they all have the same interests and desires. Truth is, some women need to work as they don't have male family members to look after them. Others enjoy working- it's mentally stimulating and interesting. Then there are others who are not content with being only a housewife but would like something additional to occupy them.

                      You might think you have everything worked out but nothing is black and white. There is no prohibition upon women from working and to insinuate otherwise is unjust.
                      "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too" Essay on Tolerance, Voltaire

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Asma28 View Post
                        You don't understand it because you are a man, this has got nothing to do with what western societies expect from women. If it was said in the Qu'ran that the roles were reversed and men were the ones who were in charge of looking after the homes do you think so many of them would be happily comply to being househusbands? you don't see any of them actively doing out to seek both - work and looking after the home?

                        This is just going to be your lifelong excuse for hating on women who choose to combine the two, 'religion says' therefore why is every woman not getting married at the age of 20?
                        And where did you come up with the assumption that working muslim women aren't proud to be muslim?
                        Yet another man who thinks he knows everything there is to know about women!
                        Firstly, tone it down - a sharp tongue is not nice

                        Secondly, your assumption about men if it was the other way round - clutching at straws.

                        Its not my lifelong excuse - that's why you got the other thread - women in the other side of the world are getting married by ages of 20-23 - they are ready and they ARE mature enough - soley due to upbringing and mind-set - I do not want a women or a daughter who is proud to be 25, single, proud of her independence and happy to say she wont be getting married until 30 because she is happy with less responsibility and more time to herself - that shows a women who lacks maturity - BIG TIME!

                        I didn't make assumption working women aren't proud - you are letting your anger get in the way of your reading - I said that is what we need from our sisters.

                        I personally do not know women - but I know why this society is failing and I know why the issue of Muslim women is soo big in the western media - I will not fall for that rubbish- Islamic System > Western System.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Muslim, Women, and Working...

                          Originally posted by leela View Post
                          This sounds like a fairy tale world where all women's situations and environments are the same and they all have the same interests and desires. Truth is, some women need to work as they don't have male family members to look after them. Others enjoy working- it's mentally stimulating and interesting. Then there are others who are not content with being only a housewife but would like something additional to occupy them.

                          You might think you have everything worked out but nothing is black and white. There is no prohibition upon women from working and to insinuate otherwise is unjust.
                          I didn't say that is how it should be followed - I said its an alternative way - to the current norms - and it combats the main arguments of people.

                          You say its not so black and white - from my understanding - majority of women go studying and then goes to university - until about 24-25 it normally is black and white for most - following the cultural norms of the western society.

                          Your right - it is a bit fairy tailistic- and it will have to be different for everyone - I didn't mean that it should be followed as such - just something to combat the general grievances we get from people here about muslim women.

                          I do not have everything worked out - but I like to think that I have something to aim for inshAllah.

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                            I want to add this, t is permissible for a woman to go out of her house for work, but that is subject to certain conditions. If they are met, it is permissible for her to go out. They are:

                            - That she needs to work in order to acquire the money she needs, as in your case.

                            - The work should be suited to the nature of woman, such as medicine, nursing, teaching, sewing, and so on.

                            - The work should be in a place that is only for women, and there should be no mixing with non-mahram men.

                            - Whilst at work she should observe complete shar’i hijab.

                            - Her work should not lead to her travelling without a mahram.

                            - Her going out to work should not involve committing any haraam action, such as being alone with the driver, or wearing perfume where non-mahrams can smell it.

                            - That should not lead to her neglecting things that are more essential for her, such as looking after her house, husband and children.

                            Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen said: The field in which a woman works should be only for women, such as if she works in teaching girls, whether in administration or technical support, or she works at home as a seamstress sewing clothes for women and so on. As for working in fields that are for men, this is not permissible for her because it requires her to mix with men, which is a great fitnah (source of temptation and trouble) and should be avoided. It should be noted that it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have not left behind me any fitnah that is more harmful to men than women; the fitnah of the Children of Israel had to do with women.” So the man should keep his family away from places of fitnah and its causes in all circumstances.

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                              Re: Muslim, Women, and Working...

                              Originally posted by QMU View Post
                              Firstly, tone it down - a sharp tongue is not nice
                              lol you found sharpness in my reply? boy are you easily offended.

                              Secondly, your assumption about men if it was the other way round - clutching at straws
                              Nope, making a valid point.

                              they are ready and they ARE mature enough - soley due to upbringing and mind-set
                              See, this is where you are misinterpreting everything. if you actually bothered to ask them, no sister is eager to get married off so young. it is their PARENTS who simply arrange their marriage at a young age and then marry their children off. but you simply see young girls get married all the time back home therefore it must mean they were mature enough to say yes. once again, typical male way of thinking. you're not a very logical thinker are you?

                              I do not want a women or a daughter who is proud to be 25, single, proud of her independence and happy to say she wont be getting married until 30 because she is happy with less responsibility and more time to herself
                              What about a son who is 30 and unmarried because he chose to work instead??

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