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  • Aliyah101
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by Musaaafir View Post
    so no extradition?
    I am not sure about their extradition laws but it’s difficult for the authorities to locate someone in those countries.

    Originally posted by SILURES View Post
    just read a couple of sites about this subject and it says a non muslim mother would be entitled to visitation rights and access to the kids.

    so if a father abducted the kids he would be going against islamic laws wouldnt he?
    Come on Silures catch up we’re talking about murtards.

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  • AhlulQuran88
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    Originally posted by Musaaafir View Post
    Originally posted by AhlulQuran88 View Post
    Somalia is a big country the North has been peacefull for 20+ years. I even seen dominican converts buying land and marrying wives there. Its like war happening in houston how does that affect someone living in Toronto.

    Sudan is also fine just don't believe what you see on tv .
    so no extradition?
    I just woukdn't go to the south you will probably end up in some secret CIA prison since that place is a Al-Shabaab controlled area. But the North doesn't have al-shabaab alhamdulilah.

    If you are there to live a peaceful life no one will harm you. You decide to join takfiri groups then it is no different any country. Any person plotting to harm the public will be looked at with little mercy no matter under what "flag" you claim to fight.

    Enjoin the good and forbid the evil

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  • pickaname
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    SILURES/ How did you so easily assume that it is the father who takes hold of the child? I have been trying not to specify a gender in my answers as the question does not state any gender.
    It could very well be that it was the mother who kidnapped the child since the other partner apostatised.
    Not assuming you do, but generally it is easier to pity with a mother when a father kidnaps the children than it is to sympathise with a father when he loses hold of children.


    Secondly, the interests of the child comes foremost in every case, and from an Islamic point-of-view, a Muslim would be best suited to take care of the child.
    It does not necessarily mean that the custody of the child would go to a totally incapable person. Nor does it mean that the child would have to cut off all contacts with the relatives of the apostate parent's side. The custody of the child may possibly even go to the family of the apostate's family, provided that they are practicing Muslims capable of looking after the child.


    Thirdly, This is not a child born through a Muslim-NonMuslim marriage. This is a Muslim-Muslim marriage and it was the expectation of both parents during the period of the marriage (and childbirth) to bring up this child in an Islamic environment. Moreover, the apostate threatens to feed heretic ideas to the child, which is all the more reason why the apostate cannot be given custody or allowed visitation rights.

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  • |Sister|
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by SILURES View Post
    just read a couple of sites about this subject and it says a non muslim mother would be entitled to visitation rights and access to the kids.

    so if a father abducted the kids he would be going against islamic laws wouldnt he?
    A family member of any religion has the right to visit their family (ties of kinship can't be broken) unless they are doing something to put that child's deen in danger. We are permitted to break physical ties (by leaving them) while keeping family ties (writing letters, calling, offering financial support).

    Originally posted by SILURES View Post
    well everyone seems to be saying steal the kids and run off to somalia..

    no chance of visitation then.
    Sure there is, he can just visit somalia.

    My thread was describing parents who threaten Muslims whom they supposedly "loved" with their legal systems in order to manipulate them and their children. It does happen, a lot. There are bad people in the world. A Muslim parent's first priority is his/her offspring, and there are a lot of Muslim parents who had to leave in order to escape the clear bias against Islamic rulings regarding custody (the Muslim parent gets full custody).

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  • SILURES
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by sabah suleiman View Post
    i think sister is talking about murtards not just any non-muslims.
    well everyone seems to be saying steal the kids and run off to somalia..

    no chance of visitation then.

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  • *sheba*
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by SILURES View Post
    just read a couple of sites about this subject and it says a non muslim mother would be entitled to visitation rights and access to the kids.

    so if a father abducted the kids he would be going against islamic laws wouldnt he?
    i think sister is talking about murtards not just any non-muslims.

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  • SILURES
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    just read a couple of sites about this subject and it says a non muslim mother would be entitled to visitation rights and access to the kids.

    so if a father abducted the kids he would be going against islamic laws wouldnt he?

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  • Musaaafir
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by AhlulQuran88 View Post
    Somalia is a big country the North has been peacefull for 20+ years. I even seen dominican converts buying land and marrying wives there. Its like war happening in houston how does that affect someone living in Toronto.

    Sudan is also fine just don't believe what you see on tv .
    so no extradition?

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  • SILURES
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by iwasjimmyjimmy View Post
    You may need some ointment if you bit your lip as hard as I did.
    well it does make you think doesnt it.

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  • SILURES
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by Aliyah101 View Post
    Good think we don't really care what you guys think of us nor do we need to beat around the bushes when dealing with non-Muslims.
    lol.

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  • anonymous321
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by AhlulQuran88 View Post
    A case i am aware of is a Somali man who had t
    His kids taken from him. His children were being raised by kuffar . He had visiting rights and one day he took his 4 children to North Somalia. He has thrown his Dutch pasport away and he travels on a Somali pasport. I hear his kids are all hufaadh, are doing well at the Arabic school where thrh study and mashalah they are very happy.

    He chose to give up his pasport because he was listed as a kidnapper. It was worth saving those kids from kufr

    The deen comes first just go to a country where you cannot be extradited and stop traveling on a western pasports.
    Should be fine inshalah.
    Even if extradition treaties dont exist with those countries, there are still a bunch of backstabbers who will gladly kidnap and hand you over for $$$$.

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  • Aliyah101
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by iwasjimmyjimmy View Post
    You may need some ointment if you bit your lip as hard as I did.
    Good think we don't really care what you guys think of us nor do we need to beat around the bushes when dealing with non-Muslims.

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  • iwasjimmyjimmy
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by SILURES View Post
    ok
    You may need some ointment if you bit your lip as hard as I did.

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  • SILURES
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by |Sister| View Post
    It's common that a disbeliever would disagree, but Muslims do not put the well being of their offspring into the hands of disbelievers. We can end up going to hell for that. Child neglect is a huge deal in Islaam. A kafir has no right to a Muslim child.
    ok

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  • |Sister|
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    Re: Is it a sin to remove children from a kafir parent?

    Originally posted by SILURES View Post
    hard to answer this without it coming across as insulting tbh. not to you but to the whole islamic principle involved.

    ive rewrote it about half a dozen times and cant find a way of wording it without it seeming as if im looking for a fight.
    It's common that a disbeliever would disagree, but Muslims do not put the well being of their offspring into the hands of disbelievers. We can end up going to hell for that. Child neglect is a huge deal in Islaam. A kafir has no right to a Muslim child.

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