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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-9069598.html

    Amal Farah, a 32-year-old banking executive, is laughing about a contestant singing off-key in the last series of The X Factor. For a woman who was not allowed to listen to music when she was growing up, this is a delight. After years of turmoil, she is in control of her own life.


    On the face of it, she is a product of modern Britain. Born in Somalia to Muslim parents, she grew up in Yemen and came to the UK in her late teens. After questioning her faith, she became an atheist and married a Jewish lawyer. But this has come at a cost. When she turned her back on her religion, she was disowned by her family and received death threats. She has not seen her mother or her siblings for eight years. None of them have met her husband or daughter.

    “It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done – telling my observant family that I was having doubts. My mum was shocked; she began to cry. It was very painful for her. When she realised I actually meant it, she cut communication with me,” said Ms Farah. “She was suspicious of me being in contact with my brothers and sisters. She didn’t want me to poison their heads in any way. I felt like a leper and I lived in fear. As long as they knew where I was, I wasn’t safe.”

    This is the first time Ms Farah has spoken publicly about her experience of leaving her faith, after realising that she did not want to keep a low profile for ever. She is an extreme case – her mother, now back in Somalia, has become increasingly radical in her religious views. But Ms Farah is not alone in wanting to speak out.

    It can be difficult to leave any religion, and those that do can face stigma and even threats of violence. But there is a growing movement, led by former Muslims, to recognise their existence. Last week, an Afghan man is believed to have become the first atheist to have received asylum in Britain on religious grounds. He was brought up as a Muslim but became an atheist, according to his lawyers, who said he would face persecution and possibly death if he returned to Afghanistan.

    In more than a dozen countries people who espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam can be executed under the law, according to a recent report by the International Humanist and Ethical Union. But there is an ongoing debate about the “Islamic” way to deal with apostates. Broadcaster Mohammed Ansar says the idea that apostates should be put to death is “not applicable” in Islam today because the act was traditionally conflated with state treason.

    Some scholars point out that it is against the teachings of Islam to force anyone to stay within the faith. “The position of many a scholar I have discussed the issue with is if people want to leave, they can leave,” said Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, the assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain. “I don’t believe they should be discriminated against or harmed in any way whatsoever. There is no compulsion in religion.”

    Baroness Warsi, the Minister of State for Faith and Communities, agreed. “One of the things I’ve done is put freedom of religion and belief as top priority at the Foreign Office,” she said. “I’ve been vocal that it’s about the freedom to manifest your faith, practise your faith and change your faith. We couldn’t be any clearer. Mutual respect and tolerance are what is required for people to live alongside each other.”

    Yet, even in Britain, where the freedom to change faiths is recognised, there is a growing number of people who choose to define themselves by the religion they left behind. The Ex-Muslim Forum, a group of former Muslims, was set up seven years ago. Then, about 15 people were involved; now they have more than 3,000 members around the world. Membership has reportedly doubled in the past two years. Another branch, the Ex-Muslims of North America, was launched last year.

    Their increasing visibility is controversial. There are those who question why anyone needs to define themselves as an “ex-Muslim”; others accuse the group of having an anti-Muslim agenda (a claim that the group denies).

    Maryam Namazie, a spokeswoman for the forum – which is affiliated with the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain (CEMB) – said: “The idea behind coming out in public is to show we exist and that we’re not going anywhere. A lot of people feel crazy [when they leave their faith]; they think they’re not normal. The forum is a place to meet like-minded people; to feel safe and secure.”

    Sulaiman (who does not want to reveal his surname), a Kenyan-born 32-year-old software engineer living in East Northamptonshire, lost his faith six years ago. His family disowned him. “I knew they would have to shun me,” he said. “They are a religious family from a [close] community in Leicester. If anyone [finds out] their son is not a Muslim, it looks bad for them.” He added that people “find it strange” that he meets up with ex-Muslims, but he said it is important to know “there is a community out there who care about you and understand your issues”.

    Another former Muslim in her late twenties, who does not want to be named, said the “ex-Muslim” identity was particularly important to her. “Within Islam, leaving [the religion] is inconceivable. [The term] atheist doesn’t capture my struggle,” she said, adding that her family does not know the truth about how she feels.

    Pakistani-born Sayed (not his real name), 51, who lives in Leeds, lost his faith decades ago. He left home at 23 and moved between bedsits to avoid family members who were looking for him. He told his family about his atheism only two years ago. “I was brought up a strict Muslim, but one day, I realised there was no God,” he said. He told his mother and sister by letter that he was an atheist but they found it difficult to comprehend.

    “Whenever I tell my sister or my mum that I am depressed, stressed or paranoid, they say it’s because I don’t pray or read the Koran enough,” he said, adding that he will not go to his mother’s funeral when she dies. “I won’t be able to cope with the stress or the religious prayers. There’s quite a lot of stigma around.”

    Iranian-born Maryam Namazie, 47, said that it does not have to be this way. Her religious parents supported her decision to leave their faith in her late teens. “After I left, they still used to whisper verses in my ear for safety, but then I asked them not to. There was no pressure involved and they never threatened me,” she said. “If we want to belong to a political party, or religious group, we should be able to make such choices.”

    Zaheer Rayasat, 26, from London, has not yet told his parents that he is an atheist. Born into a traditional Pakistani family, he said he knew he didn’t believe in God from the age of 15.

    “Most people transition out of faith, but I would say I crashed out. It was sudden and it left a big black hole. I found it hard to reconcile hell with the idea that God was beneficent and merciful.

    “I’m sort of worried what will happen when [my parents] find out. For a lot of older Muslims, to be a Muslim is an identity, whereas, for me, it’s a theological, philosophical position. They might feel they have failed as parents; some malicious people might call them up, gloating about it. Some would see it as an act of betrayal. My hope is that they will eventually forgive me for it.”
    Ibnul Qayyim رحمه الله said: "Don’t ruin your happiness with worry, and don’t ruin your mind with pessimism. Don’t ruin your success with deception and don’t ruin the optimism of others by destroying it. Don’t ruin your day by looking back at yesterday.
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    If you think about your situation, you will find that Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) has given you things without asking, so have trust in Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) that He doesn’t prevent anything you want except there is goodness for you.

    You could be sleeping and the doors of the heavens are being opened with dua’as being made on your behalf, SubhanAllaah: perhaps from someone poor whom you helped, or someone sad whom you brought joy, or someone passing by and you smiled at him, or someone in distress and you removed it.. so don’t ever underestimate any good deeds."



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    Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

    I am not surprised about the iranian girl and her parents not caring. Most likely they were shias. Since when do shias care about islam.

    The others most probably were never practising and probably fell into peer pressure and the love of wordly life. They see islam as a restriction to what they can and cannot do.

    It does not matter though. Many people are coming to islam so these people are being replaced.

    May ALLAH preserve my iman and yours and everyone else. Ameen

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Muslima London View Post
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-9069598.html

      Amal Farah, a 32-year-old banking executive, is laughing about a contestant singing off-key in the last series of The X Factor. For a woman who was not allowed to listen to music when she was growing up, this is a delight. After years of turmoil, she is in control of her own life.


      On the face of it, she is a product of modern Britain. Born in Somalia to Muslim parents, she grew up in Yemen and came to the UK in her late teens. After questioning her faith, she became an atheist and married a Jewish lawyer. But this has come at a cost. When she turned her back on her religion, she was disowned by her family and received death threats. She has not seen her mother or her siblings for eight years. None of them have met her husband or daughter.

      “It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done – telling my observant family that I was having doubts. My mum was shocked; she began to cry. It was very painful for her. When she realised I actually meant it, she cut communication with me,” said Ms Farah. “She was suspicious of me being in contact with my brothers and sisters. She didn’t want me to poison their heads in any way. I felt like a leper and I lived in fear. As long as they knew where I was, I wasn’t safe.”

      This is the first time Ms Farah has spoken publicly about her experience of leaving her faith, after realising that she did not want to keep a low profile for ever. She is an extreme case – her mother, now back in Somalia, has become increasingly radical in her religious views. But Ms Farah is not alone in wanting to speak out.
      it.”
      She isn't an extreme case tbh Somalis are 100% sunni muslims and apostasty= getting disowned.

      Like my mom said if your starving nobody in the town will feed you. A dog will get fed before you do.

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      • #4
        Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

        This makes me wonder, how would you guys cope with your children leaving Islam? Or a sibling, spouse, somebody close to you who you've known as a devout Muslim?

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        • #5
          Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

          Originally posted by Muslima London View Post

          After questioning her faith, she became an atheist and married a Jewish lawyer.
          $$$$

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          • #6
            Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

            It saddens me. There are the lovely reverts coming to Islam (Scuta and Aidan, for example) but on the other hand, there are people leaving as well. :(
            Pray. Fast. Zakat. Pilgrimage. Allah.

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            • #7
              Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

              Isn't there a hadith about people swapping believes, muslims leaving the deen and others converting close to Yaomul Qiyame
              Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind):
              “If you (really) love Allāh then follow me (i.e. accept Islāmic Monotheism, follow the Qur’ān and the Sunnah), Allāh will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Aali Imran 3:31)

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              • #8
                Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                its something i could never think about - my children leaving the deen.
                in fact we should always make dua that allah keeps us in iman coz we dont know what state we're gonna die in
                Ibnul Qayyim رحمه الله said: "Don’t ruin your happiness with worry, and don’t ruin your mind with pessimism. Don’t ruin your success with deception and don’t ruin the optimism of others by destroying it. Don’t ruin your day by looking back at yesterday.
                __________________________________________________ _____________________________
                If you think about your situation, you will find that Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) has given you things without asking, so have trust in Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) that He doesn’t prevent anything you want except there is goodness for you.

                You could be sleeping and the doors of the heavens are being opened with dua’as being made on your behalf, SubhanAllaah: perhaps from someone poor whom you helped, or someone sad whom you brought joy, or someone passing by and you smiled at him, or someone in distress and you removed it.. so don’t ever underestimate any good deeds."



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                • #9
                  Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

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                  Last edited by mohammed.; 22-01-14, 07:24 AM.
                  Yaa Muqallib al Quloob thabbit qalbi 'alaa Deenik
                  O Turner of the hearts, make my heart firm upon Your Deen

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                  • #10
                    Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                    used to follow an apostate's blog a couple of years back.
                    the murtad couldn't even spare any respect for his parents.

                    self-hating, nothing else.
                    always sought the validation of the kuffar.

                    these things upset me, don't know why i read it ... all i can imagine is a poor mother weeping every night that her little child is going around oblivious to the meaning of life.
                    'And when a thing for which you ask is slow to come,
                    Then know that often through delay are gifts received'
                    علي الحبشي

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                    • #11
                      Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                      Originally posted by Aliyah101 View Post
                      Isn't there a hadith about people swapping believes, muslims leaving the deen and others converting close to Yaomul Qiyame
                      Actually its one of the major signs

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                      • #12
                        Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                        Originally posted by AhlulQuran88 View Post
                        She isn't an extreme case tbh Somalis are 100% sunni muslims and apostasty= getting disowned.

                        Like my mom said if your starving nobody in the town will feed you. A dog will get fed before you do.
                        I'd do the same thing. Not that I would want to disown my child, but I wouldn't let them near my family again at all. I'd be the only one they would be permitted to talk to.

                        I definitely would never let them near my other children or grand children again.

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                        • #13
                          Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                          Originally posted by Aliyah101 View Post
                          Isn't there a hadith about people swapping believes, muslims leaving the deen and others converting close to Yaomul Qiyame
                          Yes I will try to find it. It's a sign of al qiyama that people will be entering and leaving the religion in swarms. I think of it like Allah replacing the hypocrites with believers. May He keep us safe from hypocrisy.


                          The neighbor of Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullah said, “When I returned from a journey, Jaabir came to give me greetings of peace. I began to tell him about division among the people and some of the new (and blameworthy) matters that they were doing. Jaabir began to cry, and then he said, ‘I heard the Messenger of Allah say: Indeed people entered into Allah’s religion in throngs and they will leave it in throngs.”‘ (Ahmad)

                          Found it but couldn't find the reference number.
                          Last edited by |Sister|; 22-01-14, 03:17 AM. Reason: found hadith

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                          • #14
                            Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                            Originally posted by Muslima London View Post
                            Zaheer Rayasat, 26, from London, has not yet told his parents that he is an atheist. Born into a traditional Pakistani family, he said he knew he didn’t believe in God from the age of 15.

                            “Most people transition out of faith, but I would say I crashed out. It was sudden and it left a big black hole. I found it hard to reconcile hell with the idea that God was beneficent and merciful.

                            “I’m sort of worried what will happen when [my parents] find out. For a lot of older Muslims, to be a Muslim is an identity, whereas, for me, it’s a theological, philosophical position. They might feel they have failed as parents; some malicious people might call them up, gloating about it. Some would see it as an act of betrayal. My hope is that they will eventually forgive me for it.”
                            This is the crux of the problem. Seeing the deen as one's identity or some East vs West contest. This deen was made by Allah so we could praise, worship, glorify and submit ourselves to the Divine. To him belongs the East and the West.

                            The East and the West, all belong to Allah: you will face Allah in whichsoever direction you turn your face: Allah is All-Embracing and All-Knowing.{Quran 2:115}

                            O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.{Quran 49:13}
                            "You must convince your heart that whatever Allah has decreed is most appropriate and most beneficial for you." ~ Imam Al Ghazali.

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                            • #15
                              Re: From islam to Atheism - may allah save us from that

                              Most of the apostates that change their religion to christianity or atheism don't do it because the two make any sense, instead it involves an emotional problem.

                              Take for an example a born Muslim that is ignorant and only knows the very basics of Islam. He/ she does the obligatory acts but doesn't know why. Now obviously living and growing up in a western country and in addition with an internet connection , the person will be bombarded with so many questions that will cause him/her to doubt their faith.

                              How many of us can honestly respond to an atheist when they ask you , "can you prove to me the existence of God" ?
                              Or even " what does Islam have to say about the theory of evolution?"

                              How many of us can rebut a christian missionary when they approach and preach to you.

                              An ignorant Muslim will struggle to answer these very basic and fundamental questions. Its going to leave v doubts and can possibly lead to the biggest calamity of apostasy.

                              Let's say that you wanted to travel to Africa. Before you even leave , you take all the jams and injections for your physical health. But what measures have migrant parents taken when they came to the west to ensure that their imaan is sound and protected. Did they allocate enough time off work to teach their children about Islam. Or were they workaholics working 7 days a week. Don't the parents know what public schools teach their children ?

                              The parents are to blame as proper Islamic education hasn't been taught to the children.
                              Last edited by mohammed.; 22-01-14, 07:23 AM.
                              Yaa Muqallib al Quloob thabbit qalbi 'alaa Deenik
                              O Turner of the hearts, make my heart firm upon Your Deen

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