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  • #16
    Re: Read the contents of the link.

    Originally posted by faqir View Post
    No
    Imam Fakhani al-Maliki said:

    ولا مندوباً؛ لأن حقيقة المندوب: ما طلبه الشرع من غير ذم على تركه، وهذا لم يأذن فيه الشرع، ولا فعله الصحابة، ولا التابعون، [ولا العلماء] المُتَدَيِّنون -فيما علمت- وهذا جوابي عنه بين يدي الله تعالى إن عنه سئلت.

    Imam Suyuti replied:

    وقوله:ولا مندوبا لأن حقيقة المندوب ما طلبه الشرع يقال عليه: إن الطلب في المندوب
    تارة يكون بالنص، وتارة يكون بالقياس، وهذا وإن لم يرد فيه نص ففيه القياس على الأصلين الآتي ذكرهما.

    To which Imam Sarfaraz Khan Safdar replied: "This a clear and explicit admission ( by Suyuti ) that there is no nass ( textual evidence) for its permissibility of mawlid neither from Quran, Sunnah or Ijma. There is however Qiyas (analogical deduction), one Qiyas is faasid (spurious) and secondly if there exists a reason or motivation for this during the Khairul Qaruun, then the question of Qiyas does not arise and it will not be permissible to make it all"



    PS I realise that you maybe the faqir who this was presented to on another forum
    Last edited by nonameakhi; 04-01-14, 10:20 PM.

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by faqir View Post
      Anas reported that "the Prophet performed 'aqiqah of himself after the prophethood." (عق النبي عن نفسه بعد النبوة)

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      These kind of hadith cannot be taken as proof of mawlid

      also



      a) Imam Nawawi which said it is false. See Majmua 8/431

      b) Imam Beyhaki, he said it is munkar. See Sunnan al-Kubra 9/300

      c) Ibn Hajar, which said it is not established. See Fatkh al-Bari 9/509.

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      • #18
        Re: Read the contents of the link.

        Originally posted by nonameakhi View Post
        Imam Fakhani al-Maliki said:

        ولا مندوباً؛ لأن حقيقة المندوب: ما طلبه الشرع من غير ذم على تركه، وهذا لم يأذن فيه الشرع، ولا فعله الصحابة، ولا التابعون، [ولا العلماء] المُتَدَيِّنون -فيما علمت- وهذا جوابي عنه بين يدي الله تعالى إن عنه سئلت.

        Imam Suyuti replied:

        وقوله:ولا مندوبا لأن حقيقة المندوب ما طلبه الشرع يقال عليه: إن الطلب في المندوب
        تارة يكون بالنص، وتارة يكون بالقياس، وهذا وإن لم يرد فيه نص ففيه القياس على الأصلين الآتي ذكرهما.

        To which Imam Sarfaraz Khan Safdar replied: "This a clear and explicit admission ( by Suyuti ) that there is no nass ( textual evidence) for its permissibility of mawlid neither from Quran, Sunnah or Ijma. There is however Qiyas (analogical deduction), one Qiyas is faasid (spurious) and secondly if there exists a reason or motivation for this during the Khairul Qaruun, then the question of Qiyas does not arise and it will not be permissible to make it all"
        This Sarfraz Khan Safdar sb's own interpretation

        Read the fatwa in the link I posted.
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        • #19
          Re: Read the contents of the link.

          Originally posted by nonameakhi View Post
          These kind of hadith cannot be taken as proof of mawlid

          also



          a) Imam Nawawi which said it is false. See Majmua 8/431

          b) Imam Beyhaki, he said it is munkar. See Sunnan al-Kubra 9/300

          c) Ibn Hajar, which said it is not established. See Fatkh al-Bari 9/509.


          "This hadith is narrated through two chains, one weak and one sound:

          The first is narrated by al-Bayhaqi, al-Bazzar, ‘Abd al-Razzaq and Ibn al-Madini through ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Muharrar from Qatadah from Anas. ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Muharrar is weak by consensus.

          The second is narrated by al-Tahawi in Sharh Mushkil al-Athar (vol. 3 p. 78) through his shyakh al-Hasan ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Mansur al-Balisi from al-Haytham ibn Jamil from ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Muthanna from Thumamah ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Anas ibn Malik from Anas ibn Malik. Al-Tabrani narrated it in al-Mu‘jam al-Awsat through his shaykh Ahmad ibn Mas‘ud al-Khayyat al-Maqdisi via the same chain as al-Tahawi from al-Haytham ibn Jamil. Abu Dawud also narrated it with this chain from Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his transmission of Masa’il al-Imam Ahmad. Ibn Hazm also narrated it in al-Muhalla with the same chain. (see Shu'ayb al-Arna'ut's footnote to this hadith in Sharh Mushkil al-Athar)

          The key part of this chain is, therefore, as follows: al-Haytham ibn Jamil – ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Muthanna – Thumamah – Anas. Al-Haytham ibn Jamil is trustworthy (thiqah) as mentioned in Taqrib al-Tahdhib; Ibn Hibban, al-Daraqutni, Ibn Sa‘d and Ahmad all said he is trustworthy (see al-Arna'ut's footnote to this hadith in Sharh Mushkil al-Athar). ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Muthanna is differed upon. Ibn al-Muthanna was declared thiqah by al-‘Ijli and al-Tirmidhi, although others like al-Nasa'i considered him weak. However, al-Bukhari used him as proof in his Sahih (which means he did not narrate any follow-up hadiths to support his narrations) when Ibn al-Muthanna narrated through his uncle Thumamah who narrated from Anas, showing his narrations through Thumamah are sahih as concluded by Bashshar Awwad Ma'ruf and Shu'ayb al-Arna'ut in their Tahrir al-Taqrib (vol. 2 p. 261). This chain is therefore sahih or hasan. Shu‘ayb al-Arna’ut, however, graded it weak in Sharh Mushkil al-Athar apparently because of ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Muthanna but this would imply al-Bukhari’s narrations through him in his Sahih are weak opposing the near-consensus that all of al-Bukhari's muttasil hadiths in his Sahih are sahih, so al-Arna’ut’s final grading is incorrect.

          Hence this hadith, that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasalla) did his own 'aqiqah after prophethood, is sahih or hasan. Hafiz Ali ibn Abi Bakr al-Haythami (d. 807 H) said in Majma' al-Zawa'id (vol. 4 p. 94, Kitab al-Sayd wa l-Dhaba’i Bab Zaman al-‘Aqiqah wa Qada’iha) under this hadtih: "Narrated by al-Bazzar and al-Tabrani in al-Awsat. The narrators of al-Tabrani are the narrators of the Sahih besides al-Haytham ibn Jamil who is trustworthy." "

          Quoted from Zameelur
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          • #20
            Re: Read the contents of the link.

            I won't waste my time arguing here with anyone.

            If you don't rejoice at the birth of the best of creation sallallahu alayhi wa sallam then there is no hope for you.

            Let the haters hate and the lovers celebrate...
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            • #21
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              The Sufi agreement with as-Suyuti on mawlid is purely agreement on a fari' matter as opposed to an usooli one.

              The Salaf were quite clear that there is no good shariah specific innovation.

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              • #22
                Re: Read the contents of the link.

                Originally posted by faqir View Post
                I won't waste my time arguing here with anyone.

                If you don't rejoice at the birth of the best of creation sallallahu alayhi wa sallam then there is no hope for you.

                Let the haters hate and the lovers celebrate...
                We love and hate for the sake of Allah swt

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by faqir View Post
                  I won't waste my time arguing here with anyone.

                  If you don't rejoice at the birth of the best of creation sallallahu alayhi wa sallam then there is no hope for you.

                  Let the haters hate and the lovers celebrate...
                  What if I rejoice everyday,follow his sunnah, send salwaat upon him pbuh as often as i can. There is no hope for me simply because i do not take part in one day ?

                  I would have hoped that the messenger of allah pbuh would have warned me before hand if this day and the abandonment of this day would be this grave.

                  No hope .... strong language

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                  • #24
                    Re: MILAD UN NABI in QURAN and HADITH?

                    Originally posted by AhlulQuran88 View Post
                    What if I rejoice everyday,follow his sunnah, send salwaat upon him pbuh as often as i can.
                    Masha'Allah. Then that is excellent. Rejoice every day every minute every moment. Nobody can restrict our celebration to only one day.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Read the contents of the link.

                      Originally posted by faqir View Post
                      Can you read?: No.
                      May Allah swt guide US all
                      Ameen
                      7 Heavens and The Arsh & Kursi Of Allah - by Sheikh Ahmed Ali [HD] :up:

                      Subhan'Allah wa bi-hamdihi
                      Glorified is Allah with all praise due to Him:love:

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                      • #26
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                        Is this hadith sahih?

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                        • #27
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                          thank you.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Read the contents of the link.

                            Originally posted by faqir View Post
                            I won't waste my time arguing here with anyone.

                            If you don't rejoice at the birth of the best of creation sallallahu alayhi wa sallam then there is no hope for you.

                            Let the haters hate and the lovers celebrate...

                            So , you place all the companions who did not celebrate as people who did not love prophet ( pbuh ) ?

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                            • #29
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                              There is nothing in the Qur’aan to say that we should celebrate the Mawlid or birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet himself (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do this or command anyone to do it, either during his lifetime or after his death. Indeed, he told them not to exaggerate about him as the Christians had exaggerated about Jesus (upon whom be peace). He said: “Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say, ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari). What has been reported is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made the day of his birth a day of worship, which is different to celebration. He was asked about fasting on Mondays, and he said: “That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I was entrusted with the Mission or when I was first given Revelation.” (Reported by Muslim, al-Nisaa’i and Abu Dawood).

                              Moreover, we know that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) were the people who loved the Prophet most. Was it reported that Abu Bakr, who was the closest of people to him and the one who loved him the most, celebrated the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? Was it reported that ‘Umar, who ruled for twelve years, or ‘Uthmaan, did this? Was it reported that ‘Ali, his relative and foster son, did this? Was it reported that any of the Sahaabah did this? No, by Allaah! Is it because they were not aware of its importance, or did they not truly love the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? No one would say such a thing except one who has gone astray and is leading others astray.

                              Did any of the imaams – Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafi’i, Ahmad, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibn Seereen – do this or command others to do it or say that it was good? By Allaah, no! It was not even mentioned during the first and best three centuries. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in a saheeh hadeeth: “The best of mankind are my generation (or my century), then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will not care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e., they will not take such matter seriously).” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and al-Tirmidhi). The celebration of the Prophet’s birthday appeared many centuries later, when many of the features of true religion had vanished and bid’ah had become widespread.

                              Thus this celebration became a sign of one’s love for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? But can it be possible that the Sahaabah, the imaams and the people of the best three centuries were unaware of it, and it was only those who came later who were aware of its importance?! What the Qur’aan tells us is that love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is demonstrated by following the guidance he brought. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                              “Say (O Muhammad): ‘If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

                              Say: ‘Obey Allaah and the Messenger.’ But if they turn away, then Allaah does not like the disbelievers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31-32]

                              The first aayah explains that love is just a claim, but the proof of sincerity is following what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought. The second aayah reaffirms the importance and necessity of obeying Allaah and His Messenger. Hence Allaah ended the aayah with a very stern warning in which those who refuse to obey are described as kaafirs, and Allah does not love the disbelievers. We ask Allaah to keep us safe from that. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us of the danger of not obeying him, and the danger of adding to what he brought. The celebration of Mawlid or his birthday is indeed an addition to what he brought – as all the scholars agree. He said: “The best of speech is the Book of Allaah, and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil of things are those which are newly-invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa’i).

                              We ask Allaah to protect us from bid’ah and to bless us by helping us to follow. Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

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                              وما من يد الايد الله فوقها.....ولاظالم الاسيبلي باظلمِ

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                              • #30
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                                Little do people know, that there's wisdom behind the fact that the prophet :saw: was born on, and DIED, the same day. Might seem like a weak argument, but it happened due to Allah SWT's wisdom. If you truly do love him :saw:, stick to his sunnah like the companions have done so.
                                الحق لا يعرف بالرجال، اعرف الحق تعرف رجاله

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