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  • #76
    Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

    Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    I said in my opening post, that is if you aren't a feminist because of your commitment to deen, fair enough.

    But those who are vehemently against it, cos it is about women's rights and qualities, I am suspicious of... if that makes sense.
    Naa not really. I don't get it.

    So we're separating islam and Muslims from it? Sorry I don't get it.

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    • #77
      Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

      Originally posted by leela View Post
      Well, you believe as you feel, but discrediting a whole movement and all their benefits because you don't agree with some of their ideology is unhelpful to the many people who have benefitted.

      And while I agree it's an obligation to protect women by creating shelters, there's no denying it took at least a little push from feminism to get the ball rolling on that one.
      that baggage exists within the west, not in Islamic history. We don't need their example.

      In Canada women weren't considered a "person" or an individual up until 1929. That is just one country. Christianity, women are considered the root of evil because she tempted the man to eat the apple. Even under secularism, women weren't even considered a person up until many years later. The west comes from mindset like that and that is why feminism exists. It has a bone to pick with it. It exists in that paradigm of western history. If you start supporting it, you get mixed up in that paradigm.

      We as muslim don't need to look at feminism, we need Islam. The colonialists went to our lands and spread their influence. To get rid of that, we need Islam
      Last edited by samin62; 21-07-13, 02:18 AM.
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      • #78
        Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

        Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
        I don't have any lack in faith in Islam's rulings, I just don't understand why people are so angry against feminism. I'd rather that we'd enforce the proper rights of shariah.
        Then say shariah.

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        • #79
          Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

          Originally posted by F_R View Post
          Naa not really. I don't get it.

          So we're separating islam and Muslims from it? Sorry I don't get it.
          I don't understand why some members get extremely angry about feminism tbh.

          Its not that evil, if it wants women's rights, and that it isn't a direct contradiction with Islamic teachings on women.

          Those who get REALLY ANGRY about feminism make me suspicious, how can a movement fighting for women's justice offend you?

          A bit of a non-issue, lol, but I haven't made a thread in a while.
          وَاقْصِدْ فِي مَشْيِكَ وَاغْضُضْ مِن صَوْتِكَ ۚ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الْأَصْوَاتِ لَصَوْتُ الْحَمِيرِ - 31:19

          And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."


          أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

          Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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          • #80
            Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

            Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
            I don't have any lack in faith in Islam's rulings, I just don't understand why people are so angry against feminism. I'd rather that we'd enforce the proper rights of shariah.
            People dislike the term feminism because it more often than not associated with ideologies that are unislamic.

            I don't think people are angry at certain things you would consider feminist, such as preventing rape and domestic violence, and opening shelters for abused women....nobody is against that and most Muslims I'm certain would be supportive of those things.

            The problem is why do we have to call it feminism (and associate it with other unislamic ideologies) when the simple term Islam is sufficient?

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            • #81
              Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

              Originally posted by leela View Post
              because you don't agree with some of their ideology is unhelpful to the many people who have benefitted.
              Many people benefit from alcohol, does that make alochol halaal?

              Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
              I don't have any lack in faith in Islam's rulings, I just don't understand why people are so angry against feminism. I'd rather that we'd enforce the proper rights of shariah.
              Then it is not feminism we want, it is Shari'a. "-isms" and shari'a do not mix.

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              • #82
                Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
                I don't understand why some members get extremely angry about feminism tbh.

                Its not that evil, if it wants women's rights, and that it isn't a direct contradiction with Islamic teachings on women.

                Those who get REALLY ANGRY about feminism make me suspicious, how can a movement fighting for women's justice offend you?

                A bit of a non-issue, lol, but I haven't made a thread in a while.
                Give us an example of justice or a woman's right that isn't already governed by shariah.

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                • #83
                  Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                  Originally posted by samin62 View Post
                  that baggage exists within the west, not in Islamic history. We don't need their example.

                  In Canada women weren't considered a "person" or an individual up until 1929. That is just one country. Christianity, women are considered the root of evil because she tempted the man to eat the apple. Even under secularism, women weren't even considered a person up until many years later. The west comes from mindset like that and that is why feminism exists. It has a bone to pick with it. It exists in that paradigm of western history. If you start supporting it, you get mixed up in that paradigm.

                  We as muslim don't need to look at feminism, we need Islam. The colonialists went to our lands and spread their influence. To get rid of that, we need Islam
                  Where women exist, there's a need for some kind of ideology that will uphold their rights, so in the absence of Islam, feminism has sprung up. Why is this so difficult to accept and why is it so reviled when all it's there for, is to protect women and give them their rights?
                  "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too" Essay on Tolerance, Voltaire

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                  • #84
                    Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                    Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
                    I don't understand why some members get extremely angry about feminism tbh.

                    Its not that evil, if it wants women's rights, and that it isn't a direct contradiction with Islamic teachings on women.

                    Those who get REALLY ANGRY about feminism make me suspicious, how can a movement fighting for women's justice offend you?

                    A bit of a non-issue, lol, but I haven't made a thread in a while.
                    Being opposed does not equal "anger", I rarely get angry about anything at all. I am vehemently opposed to feminism, and I support only the rights Islaam has given us, I do not want more than that.

                    If I insist on a right, I insist on it as a Muslim fighting for Islaam, not as a "woman" supporting "feminism". As brother samin said, feminism is the result of christian oppression, is has no place in Islamic history and no place in Islaam or a Muslim's heart. The majority of feministic goals go directly against shari'a.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                      Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
                      I don't understand why some members get extremely angry about feminism tbh.

                      Its not that evil, if it wants women's rights, and that it isn't a direct contradiction with Islamic teachings on women.

                      Those who get REALLY ANGRY about feminism make me suspicious, how can a movement fighting for women's justice offend you?

                      A bit of a non-issue, lol, but I haven't made a thread in a while.
                      Aah I sorta get it now. You think it's more culturally driven, those reactions I mean?

                      If we have our islam then why do we need feminism or anything else? It's more the name and the associations that cause these reactions with the term feminism. If it was a different name which isn't so much out there, then perhaps the same reaction wouldn't come.

                      There's bad associated with it. But we have islam and all our rights alhamdulilah so instead of fighting under the banner of feminism or as feminists we strive under the banner if islam and as Muslims for our rights but not just women's rights, men's rights, children's rights and animal rights etc etc.

                      We have islam so why do we need the term of umbrella of feminism ??

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                      • #86
                        Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                        Originally posted by leela View Post
                        Where women exist, there's a need for some kind of ideology that will uphold their rights, so in the absence of Islam, feminism has sprung up. Why is this so difficult to accept and why is it so reviled when all it's there for, is to protect women and give them their rights?
                        You've answered your own question.

                        In the absence of Islam... so we need to return to Islam rather than look to 'alternative' ideologies that actually limit/transgress the rights of people.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                          Originally posted by leela View Post
                          Where women exist, there's a need for some kind of ideology that will uphold their rights, so in the absence of Islam, feminism has sprung up. Why is this so difficult to accept and why is it so reviled when all it's there for, is to protect women and give them their rights?
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism The feminism of our generation, modern feminism

                          Third-wave feminism seeks to challenge or avoid what it deems the second wave's essentialist definitions of femininity, which often assumed a universal female identity and over-emphasized the experiences of upper-middle-class white women. The shift from second wave feminism came about with many of the legal and institutional rights that were given to women. In addition to these institutional gains, third-wave feminists believed there needed to be further changes in stereotypes of women and in the media portrayals of women as well as in the language that has been used to define women. Therefore, third-wave ideology focuses on a more post-structuralist interpretation of gender and sexuality.[citation needed] In "Deconstructing Equality-versus-Difference: Or, the Uses of Poststructuralist Theory for Feminism," Joan W. Scott describes how language has been used as a way to understand the world, however, "post-structuralists insist that words and texts have no fixed or intrinsic meanings, that there is no transparent or self-evident relationship between them and either ideas or things, no basic or ultimate correspondence between language and the world"[2] Thus, while language has been used to create binaries (such as male/female), post-structuralists see these binaries as artificial constructs created to maintain the power of dominant groups.[citation needed]
                          Elements

                          Third-wave theory usually incorporates elements of queer theory; anti-racism and women-of-color consciousness; womanism; girl power; post-colonial theory; postmodernism; transnationalism; cyberfeminism; ecofeminism; individualist feminism; new feminist theory, transgender politics, and a rejection of the gender binary. Also considered part of the third wave is sex-positivity, a celebration of sexuality as a positive aspect of life, with broader definitions of what sex means and what oppression and empowerment may imply in the context of sex. For example, many third-wave feminists have reconsidered the opposition to pornography and sex work of the second wave, and challenge existing beliefs that participants in pornography and sex work are always being exploited.[3]

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                          • #88
                            Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                            Originally posted by leela View Post
                            Where women exist, there's a need for some kind of ideology that will uphold their rights, so in the absence of Islam, feminism has sprung up. Why is this so difficult to accept and why is it so reviled when all it's there for, is to protect women and give them their rights?
                            aren't you reading the posts?

                            the problem is associating with feminism rather than Islam. Feminism comes with cons while Islam doesn't.
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                            • #89
                              Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                              Originally posted by |Sister| View Post
                              Many people benefit from alcohol, does that make alochol halaal?


                              Then it is not feminism we want, it is Shari'a. "-isms" and shari'a do not mix.
                              Apples and oranges, sister.

                              There's no comparison as laws on alcohol are clear cut in the Quran.

                              There's a grey area with feminism as it's (obviously) not referred to in Quran and Hadith and also, some ideals of feminism overlap with some teachings of Islam.

                              The fact that most of us live in non Muslim countries, means that even if we don't acknowledge it, feminism has played a big part in the freedoms we currently enjoy and the resources we use.
                              "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too" Essay on Tolerance, Voltaire

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                              • #90
                                Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                                Originally posted by leela View Post
                                Apples and oranges, sister.

                                There's no comparison as laws on alcohol are clear cut in the Quran.

                                There's a grey area with feminism as it's (obviously) not referred to in Quran and Hadith and also, some ideals of feminism overlap with some teachings of Islam.

                                The fact that most of us live in non Muslim countries, means that even if we don't acknowledge it, feminism has played a big part in the freedoms we currently enjoy and the resources we use.
                                I acknowledge it exists, I just completely reject it. Even kafira women are starting to reject it, and that says more about the muslims who think they need to follow it than they can say for themselves.

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