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  • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

    to be fair,

    feminism to muslims has come about because of three major reasons (my opinion)

    one, muslim men who are oppressive to their wives
    two, muslim cultures and countries who are oppressive to women
    three, our exposure to the kuffar and their definition of freedom

    the first two are rather easy, but they gave fodder for the kuffar to launch many of the attacks against Islam and muslims and some muslims have agreed with these kuffar

    saudi women not driving (though it may be a fiqh issue) it decries of women's oppression
    many muslim sisters NOT wearing hijab, as if hijab is the definition of freedom vs oppression
    our yearning to imitate and emulate the kuffar on so many levels from presidents to peasants, governments and governed

    so, as an ummah, we must take blame for why our sisters do see the grass being greener on the other side, just like in egypt, so many muslims hate islam because they have been shown very ugly depictions of islam and they have a desire for the dunya (of course, that is their choice, but nevertheless, we have allowed these kafir leaders to lead the ummah into this abyss of kufr)
    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
    دولة الإسلامية باقية





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    • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

      Saying we don’t need “Feminist” because Islam gives women right is like saying “we don’t need police because there is law”. Islam gave right to female but majority Muslims haven’t. Islam gave right to property, right to live single/married, right of voice to female. But Muslims has not. In majority of muslim world, woman are still treated as 2nd class citizen with no voice of their own. Force marriage, Honor killing, stuck in abusive relationship at the fear of social lash, not having a voice & girls not having access to education is most common in the Muslim world. What happened to our Islamic right, why are they not followed in majority of the Muslim world? Why start a jihad against Feminist, when you should be having a Jihad against Muslim who aren’t giving female their right.

      It is easy to point finger at feminist and laugh at those on extreme end. But we Muslim are in serious need of help to save our sisters who are suffering greatly. Feminist made it acceptable for female to join work force whether out of need or out of joy. Feminist empowered & provided resource for woman in abusive relationship to kick her husband out. Yes those resources are basic social need which no one thought of providing until they pushed for it. Feminist helped women get an Identity of themselves & not an extension of their father/husband/brother. In Islam we all have individual identity & accounted for our action yet in most Muslim world a woman sees herself as a shadow of the male member of her family.

      Yes Islam has given us many many rights. But Muslim needs help from feminist type organization to save our sisters.

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      • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

        Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
        agree with your points but I'm not saying, I prefer the rights stipulated by Islam.

        Sorry my argument has been lost, soz
        sister, i agree with your points

        islam does bring "some aspects" of what the kafir feminist movement intially asked for

        but as with anything with the kuffar, they are operating without guidance

        Islam has already given us that guidance, so let us not look any further than the book of Allah and the sunnah of His messenger صلى الله عليه و سلّم
        .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
        نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
        دولة الإسلامية باقية





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        • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

          Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
          to be fair,

          feminism to muslims has come about because of three major reasons (my opinion)

          one, muslim men who are oppressive to their wives
          two, muslim cultures and countries who are oppressive to women
          three, our exposure to the kuffar and their definition of freedom

          the first two are rather easy, but they gave fodder for the kuffar to launch many of the attacks against Islam and muslims and some muslims have agreed with these kuffar
          I agree with your 3 reason but have to disagree wtih bold part. I would say the first 2 are very important & still needs to be fixed preferabily by other muslim instead of kafir organization. If muslim woman were happy (in nonabusive society/family) they woudl not see the grass greener. No one really cares about the kafir freedom but that seems to be the only way to gain freedom since Muslim world is not giving that freedom they rightlyfuly deserve via ISlam

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          • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

            Originally posted by Kya View Post
            Saying we don’t need “Feminist” because Islam gives women right is like saying “we don’t need police because there is law”.
            No it isn't, because feminists are not enforcing the laws, the police are. A correct comparison would be "we don't need morals because there is law" (which is obviously untrue).

            We do not need feminists, we need Muslims in positions power to enforce Islamic rights.

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            • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

              Originally posted by Kya View Post
              Saying we don’t need “Feminist” because Islam gives women right is like saying “we don’t need police because there is law”. Islam gave right to female but majority Muslims haven’t. Islam gave right to property, right to live single/married, right of voice to female. But Muslims has not. In majority of muslim world, woman are still treated as 2nd class citizen with no voice of their own. Force marriage, Honor killing, stuck in abusive relationship at the fear of social lash, not having a voice & girls not having access to education is most common in the Muslim world. What happened to our Islamic right, why are they not followed in majority of the Muslim world? Why start a jihad against Feminist, when you should be having a Jihad against Muslim who aren’t giving female their right.

              It is easy to point finger at feminist and laugh at those on extreme end. But we Muslim are in serious need of help to save our sisters who are suffering greatly. Feminist made it acceptable for female to join work force whether out of need or out of joy. Feminist empowered & provided resource for woman in abusive relationship to kick her husband out. Yes those resources are basic social need which no one thought of providing until they pushed for it. Feminist helped women get an Identity of themselves & not an extension of their father/husband/brother. In Islam we all have individual identity & accounted for our action yet in most Muslim world a woman sees herself as a shadow of the male member of her family.

              Yes Islam has given us many many rights. But Muslim needs help from feminist type organization to save our sisters.
              That's culture. We don't need anything from feminism.

              And there's one way for this all to be sorted out. Any guesses ?

              لا تفكر كثيرا
              بل استغفر كثيرا

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              • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                Originally posted by |Sister| View Post
                This is offensive, as if the women here who disagree with the corrupt idea of feminism are somehow brainwashed by men. As if the only way to have a valid opinion of one's own is to oppose the opinion of males. How insulting.
                There are studies that show women in heavily patriarchal societies have over the generations been brainwashed - again if you look at it this issue rationally instead of emotionally it would be helpful.

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                • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                  Originally posted by F_R View Post
                  That's culture. We don't need anything from feminism.

                  And there's one way for this all to be sorted out. Any guesses ?
                  Well there is a requirement for feminism in the sense there is a need for more women scholars of Islam - so that the rights of women can be advocated in Islamic scholarship.

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                  • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                    Originally posted by 2nd Reflection View Post
                    Well there is a requirement for feminism in the sense there is a need for more women scholars of Islam - so that the rights of women can be advocated in Islamic scholarship.
                    Does this even mean anything? Because in Islam we have rules with regards to everything, including women's rights, and they can be followed and enforced with or without female speakers.
                    والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

                    "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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                    • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                      Originally posted by 2nd Reflection View Post
                      There are studies that show women in heavily patriarchal societies have over the generations been brainwashed - again if you look at it this issue rationally instead of emotionally it would be helpful.
                      I rarely feel emotions, so you must have misunderstood my statement. I find it peculiar that this is the only one of my posts you decide to quote out of the entire thread. I did, however, say it was offensive - I never said I was personally offended. I felt it important to point out the hypocrisy in the post that I had quoted. One could equally claim that feminists are brainwashed, but I did not walk down that road to avoid offense and accusations.

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                      • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                        Originally posted by |Sister| View Post
                        No it isn't, because feminists are not enforcing the laws, the police are. A correct comparison would be "we don't need morals because there is law" (which is obviously untrue).

                        We do not need feminists, we need Muslims in positions power to enforce Islamic rights.
                        WE do have Muslims in positions and power to enforce Islamic rights: muslim countires all over the world. Yet most Muslims in power/positions have consistently pushed for male right & ignored female islamic right. A new president and new leader is not going to change anything, just as it hasn't for past few hundred years

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                        • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                          Unfortunately like all other discussions about politics and economics there is a select section of brothers and sisters on this forum who are actually not well read on the topic and instead of have decided to copy and paste a few ''analyses'' from individuals who themselves have a deficient understanding of the topic.

                          Feminism is a broad term - and it is a loaded term. Yes there are some types of feminist thinking that are harmful to the Islamic ethos. But other types of feminism are perfectly acceptable within the Shariah parameters of Islam.

                          Pro-life Feminism is one such movement.

                          In fact again if Muslims were more calm and rational about this and did their homework in terms of the reading you would know that:

                          ''The early leaders of the feminist movement were against abortion.'':
                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/mother/early.shtml

                          Susan B Anthony and other early suffragists were against abortion:
                          http://www.sba-list.org/movement/not...ly-suffragists

                          Feminism is a wide label - it is applied to a series of movements which sometimes are in complete contradiction to each other.

                          The task is to simply sift through the different feminist movements, and more importantly listen to Muslims who advocate a feminist ethic to see if what they say makes sense instead of being prejudiced and shouting at them just because they mentioned the word ''feminist''.

                          And to be honest, as soon as some Muslim men see a woman speaking about women's rights they immediately shout ''FEMINIST'' as if it were a term of abuse like other unmentionable words even though the speaker herself never mentions the word, and only references the Islamic scriptural sources.

                          Very weird...but that's what happens when some Muslims think emotionally instead of rationally.

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                          • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                            Originally posted by Kya View Post
                            WE do have Muslims in positions and power to enforce Islamic rights: muslim countires all over the world. Yet most Muslims in power/positions have consistently pushed for male right & ignored female islamic right. A new president and new leader is not going to change anything, just as it hasn't for past few hundred years
                            We need pious* Muslims in positions of power, then.

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                            • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                              Originally posted by علي View Post
                              Does this even mean anything? Because in Islam we have rules with regards to everything, including women's rights, and they can be followed and enforced with or without female speakers.
                              Are those islamic women rights followed and enforced currently in most Muslim country by your average Muslim. Not the ideal world but how it is now

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                              • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                                Originally posted by Kya View Post
                                Are those islamic women rights followed and enforced currently in most Muslim country by your average Muslim. Not the ideal world but how it is now
                                Not much that is Islamic in general is enforced in Muslim countries, that's not a yardstick for anything and nor would it be changed by the presence of so called "female scholars". We have male scholars preaching kind treatment of women, but the truth of the matter is, many Muslims do not even listen to scholars. You know it's quite impressive, we who do listen to scholars may argue about which are best and which aren't worthy of the title, etc, but a huge portion of the Muslim population doesn't adhere to any scholar save the tiniest snatches from what some grand mufti must have said some time on TV.
                                والمبادرة إلى التكفير إنما تغلب على طباع من يغلب عليهم الجهل - ابن تيمية رحمه الله - بغية المرتاد

                                "Rushing towards takfir is an attitude which is dominant over those who are defeated by ignorance." - Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullah [Bughyatul Murtaad, page 354]

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