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  • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

    Originally posted by leela View Post
    You don't have to embrace the whole ideology to accept and benefit from parts of it which are not contrary to Islam. Particularly in countries where you are unable to implement Islamic law.
    If the beneficiary factors are existent within Islam, why do you even have to consult a different Ideology.

    so since Islamic Law isn't being implemented, instead of promoting the implementation, we invite the feminist crowd that also comes with a whole compartment of baggage of ideas that is against Islam? Is that what you are saying?
    "They are Shuhadaa (witnesses) to the fact that this Deen is greater than life, that values are more important than blood and that principles are more precious than souls" - Sheikh 'Abdullah Azzam

    Lost in Islamic History :inlove:

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    • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

      Originally posted by samin62 View Post
      the point was modern capitalism did good for people but in created huge disparity of wealth. You don't stick up to defend it claiming it helped some muslims and some aspects of it are compatible with Islam.
      [Qur'an 002:120] Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.

      [Sahih Muslim, book 34, hadith 6448] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?

      Instead of advocating the promotion of Islaam, some musilms continue to find excuses for why it's easier to follow the ways of the kuffar instead. Depressing.

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      • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

        Originally posted by samin62 View Post
        there isn't any single cohesive feminist movement with set ideals. Its fragmented like crazy. Everyone has a different definition of feminism because it is from peoples personal opinion. Do some users mis-represent or mis-use the term feminist, yea but the insulting thing there is, which you should also be angry about is that they are downplaying the ISLAMIC RIGHT given to women by Allah SWT by calling it feminism. Do you understand what I am saying?

        You know Capitalism has many aspects that agrees with Islam. It has done a lot of benefits, do you support capitalism practiced by the world today?
        There maybe no cohesive ideology, but they all atleast have similar goals which is to get women fair treatment in domestic and work life...

        Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women
        Best way to sum it up, a collection of various movements with similar goals at its core.
        وَاقْصِدْ فِي مَشْيِكَ وَاغْضُضْ مِن صَوْتِكَ ۚ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الْأَصْوَاتِ لَصَوْتُ الْحَمِيرِ - 31:19

        And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."


        أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

        Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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        • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

          O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights),

          notice in quran, Allah says it is HE who gives and establishes rights, so if Allah has not given the right, then the right cannot be given

          and if Allah gives the right, then the right cannot be taken away

          so women's rights, animal rights, human rights, civil rights, parent's rights, child's rights, worker's rights, etc have all been spelled out in Quran and sunnah and this is where we take from

          if we bring in other ideologies, it will corrupt us

          O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.

          ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #118)
          .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
          نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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          • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

            Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
            There maybe no cohesive ideology, but they all atleast have similar goals which is to get women fair treatment in domestic and work life...



            Best way to sum it up, a collection of various movements with similar goals at its core.
            you dont know what their goals are, because many times, what they say and what they want are two different things

            many leaders of women's rights are dykes who want to be men, who hate men, who want to tear down all sorts of barriers between the sexes, who have adopted boys and are now cross dressing them and giving young children sex changes to make them girls

            you are laying down with dogs by adopting their ideas, you will wind up getting up with fleas
            .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
            نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
            دولة الإسلامية باقية





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            • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

              Originally posted by |Sister| View Post
              [Qur'an 002:120] Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.

              [Sahih Muslim, book 34, hadith 6448] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?

              Instead of advocating the promotion of Islaam, some musilms continue to find excuses for why it's easier to follow the ways of the kuffar instead. Depressing.
              I would like the implementation of shariah rights for women since it always give the right judgment, however the sisters here don't understand why the feminist movement is scorned when it does just that. I don't understand why we can't work with both, let's be real its not as if muslims nowadays prioritise anything that includes women and their justice, it's always about the concerns of the brothers and other political issues and they promise to talk about women's issues later.

              But when?
              وَاقْصِدْ فِي مَشْيِكَ وَاغْضُضْ مِن صَوْتِكَ ۚ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الْأَصْوَاتِ لَصَوْتُ الْحَمِيرِ - 31:19

              And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."


              أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

              Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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              • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                I always thought feminism was a marketing gimmick to make women buy birth control :/

                joke

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                • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                  Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
                  O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights),

                  notice in quran, Allah says it is HE who gives and establishes rights, so if Allah has not given the right, then the right cannot be given

                  and if Allah gives the right, then the right cannot be taken away

                  so women's rights, animal rights, human rights, civil rights, parent's rights, child's rights, worker's rights, etc have all been spelled out in Quran and sunnah and this is where we take from

                  if we bring in other ideologies, it will corrupt us
                  fair enough.
                  وَاقْصِدْ فِي مَشْيِكَ وَاغْضُضْ مِن صَوْتِكَ ۚ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الْأَصْوَاتِ لَصَوْتُ الْحَمِيرِ - 31:19

                  And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."


                  أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

                  Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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                  • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                    Originally posted by cooldog View Post
                    I always thought feminism was a marketing gimmick to make women buy birth control :/

                    joke
                    there is truth to that

                    demoralized people can be easily controlled, whereas people of principle and character cannot

                    you have everyone screwing everyone, all they want is a few dollars so they can party, drink, and have sex (this is fun)

                    no children, no families, and if they do get pregnant, kill the baby

                    lyrics from an ol' school muslim poet

                    Driving me nuts, bolts, screws
                    I got the blues from paying dues

                    For programmed news of honeycoated lies
                    Your eyes can't believe

                    That weave the Devil's magic with the latest gadget
                    From the Mean Machine
                    A'running the Same Game with Another Name

                    Down to your brain, blowing your mind
                    Stealing your time, smooth and slick
                    With the latest trick to get rich quick

                    From nonsense at your mind's expense
                    As your mind digs the scene
                    From the Mean Machine
                    Designed to drive your brain insane

                    Loudspeakers blasting inside your head
                    Saying what someone else said
                    For you to do what they want you to

                    No. Go. Fast. Slow.
                    Getting you high off the latest lie
                    Telling you when, where, how and why
                    As your mind digs the scene
                    From the Mean Machine,
                    A'running the Same Game with Another Name

                    Factories of insanity playing on your vanity
                    As they distort your sense of self
                    Telling you what you need and how to succeed
                    As they steal all of your wealth

                    Probing your mind, trying to find
                    How to scheme on you best
                    From programmed schools with Devilish rules
                    Putting you to the test

                    Death dealing devices sold at high prices
                    Designed with you in mind to buy
                    As they kill you slow and some of y'all don't even know
                    Y'all paying the Machine to die

                    Mechanized lies dressed up in disguise
                    In forms of various kinds
                    Treachery and deceit the people must defeat
                    In the battle for free men's minds

                    For complete domination is the goal of this nation
                    Of all free thinking thought
                    And those who oppose will be killed by their foes
                    The flunkies whose souls have been bought

                    Transplants to revive the living dead
                    Replacing the truth with lies instead
                    Newspapers, radios, TVs
                    Spreading lies across seven seas
                    Robot men with computers for brains
                    Space ships, cars, trains and planes
                    All calculated to blow your mind
                    Moving faster than your sense of time

                    Living luxuriously soft while the people slave hard
                    For the Devil would have you believe he is God
                    Chemical drugs that keep you high
                    While the Mean Machine creates another lie
                    For power and glory and world wide fame
                    While Running the Same Game with Another Name

                    It's the computed equation for world wide invasion
                    That comes in the name of peace and goodwill
                    But all of them are lying as they keep on trying
                    To set the people up for the kill
                    Population control of the people with soul
                    All over the planet Earth.

                    Manipulating their will with a tiny white pill
                    To control their natural birth


                    Behind the scene schemes furthering the Mean Machine's
                    Dreams Of conquest and world domination

                    From the farthest depths of the universe
                    To the smallest earthly nation
                    Radar, Sonar, Laser beams!
                    Jets, Tanks, Submarines!
                    Megathons, H-Bombs, Napalm, Gas!
                    All this **** will kill you fast

                    All products of the Mean Machine
                    The Devil disguised as a human being
                    And he will even preach that God is dead
                    And some of y'all will believe what the Devil has said
                    And he will then act as the world's police
                    And the sun will rise up in the West
                    And set down in the East

                    And when it came time for the end...
                    And when it came time for the end...
                    And when it came time for the end...

                    The men will look like the women
                    And the women like the men

                    And some will dance in a hypnotic trance
                    Like as if they have no care
                    But these will be signs of the changing times
                    That the end is drawing near

                    For it was prophesized many centuries past
                    That the end will come in a fiery holocaust
                    And only the righteous people will survive the blast
                    And the Devil's machine will bring about his own end

                    And peace, love and joy will reign once again
                    And man will understand man
                    And man will understand man
                    And man will understand man
                    And man will understand man
                    And man will understand man
                    And man will understand man
                    And live in harmony and peace
                    And the sun will once again
                    Rise up in the East
                    its a form of population control and controlling the population
                    Last edited by AbuMubarak; 22-07-13, 03:29 PM.
                    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
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                    • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                      Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
                      I would like the implementation of shariah rights for women since it always give the right judgment, however the sisters here don't understand why the feminist movement is scorned when it does just that. I don't understand why we can't work with both, let's be real its not as if muslims nowadays prioritise anything that includes women and their justice, it's always about the concerns of the brothers and other political issues and they promise to talk about women's issues later.

                      But when?
                      So why are we waiting on the brothers to talk about our issues then? Why don't we sort things out? It's not always about the brothers and I think some of them do their best.

                      And what women's issues exactly?

                      Also Laila I think the issue is the fact that you're saying we should use feminism (the tag and "good") instead of islam. (Atleast this is how it's coming across).

                      We don't need feminism if Allah and RasoolAllah have clarified everything for us way before the whole feminist notion came about. Why are we seeking other than Islam??? It doesn't make sense Lali.

                      But we don't need to wait for the brothers to speak about things, islam is for women as well ya know so we can do whatever needs doing.

                      لا تفكر كثيرا
                      بل استغفر كثيرا

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                      • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                        Originally posted by |Sister| View Post
                        [Qur'an 002:120] Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.

                        [Sahih Muslim, book 34, hadith 6448] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?

                        Instead of advocating the promotion of Islaam, some musilms continue to find excuses for why it's easier to follow the ways of the kuffar instead. Depressing.
                        Yea that's how it's coming across as.

                        لا تفكر كثيرا
                        بل استغفر كثيرا

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                        • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                          Originally posted by F_R View Post
                          So why are we waiting on the brothers to talk about our issues then? Why don't we sort things out? It's not always about the brothers and I think some of them do their best.

                          And what women's issues exactly?

                          Also Laila I think the issue is the fact that you're saying we should use feminism (the tag and "good") instead of islam. (Atleast this is how it's coming across).

                          We don't need feminism if Allah and RasoolAllah have clarified everything for us way before the whole feminist notion came about. Why are we seeking other than Islam??? It doesn't make sense Lali.

                          But we don't need to wait for the brothers to speak about things, islam is for women as well ya know so we can do whatever needs doing.
                          agree with your points but I'm not saying, I prefer the rights stipulated by Islam.

                          Sorry my argument has been lost, soz
                          وَاقْصِدْ فِي مَشْيِكَ وَاغْضُضْ مِن صَوْتِكَ ۚ إِنَّ أَنكَرَ الْأَصْوَاتِ لَصَوْتُ الْحَمِيرِ - 31:19

                          And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."


                          أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

                          Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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                          • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                            Originally posted by samin62 View Post
                            If the beneficiary factors are existent within Islam, why do you even have to consult a different Ideology.

                            so since Islamic Law isn't being implemented, instead of promoting the implementation, we invite the feminist crowd that also comes with a whole compartment of baggage of ideas that is against Islam? Is that what you are saying?
                            No, that's not what I said. You need to be realistic. Any implementation of Islamic law in the uk is, at the moment, a distant dream so you need to work with what you have and if it means accepting some aspects of other ideologies to ensure Muslim and non Muslim women are being afforded their basic rights, then so be it.
                            "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too" Essay on Tolerance, Voltaire

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                            • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                              Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
                              I don't understand why we can't work with both, let's be real its not as if muslims nowadays prioritise anything that includes women and their justice, it's always about the concerns of the brothers and other political issues and they promise to talk about women's issues later.

                              But when?
                              Because feminism has no place in Islaam at all, it came about because of the kuffar abusing kafir women, after they had already abandoned Allah long before. Islaam has a place in the world, and Muslims are not in need of "isms". Capitalism, feminism, masculinism, chauvinism, Naziism. We don't need "both" and we don't need to meet halfway. We do not mix kufr with Islaam, ever. They have their path, we have ours. We do not need to tread their path in order to make progress or to be free from oppression, we need to stay on the path of Allah. Just as alcohol may have benefits, the damage it causes outweighs it's benefits. All unislamic systems are similar to this - whatever benefit they give is overshadowed by their dangers and destructive tendencies.

                              No amount of activism for kufr ideologies will end the oppression Muslims face if Muslims themselves continue to favor their nafs and the dunya over obedience to Allah and the sunnah of our Prophet (saw). All feminism does to the Muslim youth is foster disobedience to Allah, parents and husbands. It teaches our young sisters that zina and abortion are OK, it teaches our young brothers that it's wrong to want his Islamic rights.

                              If abuse and rape is the only reason a Muslimah would stick to "feminism", then she should know that abuse in Muslim homes happens because of a lack of fear for Allah and a lack of education on the deen. This will never, ever go away until Islaam is implemented, no matter how many shelters people set up for abused women. The root of the problem always comes back to lack of taqwa.

                              If a woman wants her Islamic rights implemented, instead of complaining about not having any, perhaps she should be the one to get up and do something about it. She should go out into the world - starting with her own children and family - and start educating other brothers and sisters on Islamic rights. Start a campaign for shari'a, start a blog for information on the obligations for nikah — Under the banner of Islaam; not kufr.

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                              • Re: Why is feminism seen as a 'fitna' or with negativity on the ummah forum?

                                Originally posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
                                agree with your points but I'm not saying, I prefer the rights stipulated by Islam.

                                Sorry my argument has been lost, soz
                                You got nawt to apologise for.

                                But do you see what everyone means? I hope it makes sense. Lol an this would've been so much more fun done in person ;)

                                لا تفكر كثيرا
                                بل استغفر كثيرا

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