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  • #16
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    http://www.thereligi###onofpeace.com...fe-beating.htm
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    • #17
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      http://www.thereligionofpe###ace.co#...3-wife-beating
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      • #18
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        yea its an anti islam website

        i would steer clear of them
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        • #19
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          Originally posted by MissA123 View Post
          that site is by Robert Spencer. Stay away from it. They lvoe to forge information.
          "They are Shuhadaa (witnesses) to the fact that this Deen is greater than life, that values are more important than blood and that principles are more precious than souls" - Sheikh 'Abdullah Azzam

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          • #20
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            Thank you for making me understand that some things are not to be trusted. I was so naive to have got so emoticonal out of false statements.

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            • #21
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              Thank you i now understand. Ill be more careful with the sites i visit.

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              • #22
                Re: islamic rights for women?

                Originally posted by MissA123 View Post
                I'm 16 and a female. I accidentally came across some upsetting discussions on Islam.
                I am in no means trying to disagree or argue against Islam but i just need some clear explanations because this is making me cry.

                I am aware and also after speaking to my older brother that women have many rights and yes i have seen some discussions about that but i can't just ignore other important aspects of islam and pretend it doesn't exist. My brother advice was that some things are elaborated abit and hadiths are not always reliable and that i should follow the quran and believe what i think is right as Allah will guide me. I was not fully satisfied with that answer but accepted and pretended everything was fine because he clearly wasn't understanding me. I want to understand why there are hadiths like this about islam.

                The things that i could not understand was the following. Please can you help me and explain these points.

                Bukhari (72:715) - "A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires."

                Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

                I really feel ashamed about this. I thought Islam was all about husband affection to his wife and her rights. In no means would i ever accept my husband to lay a finger on me(in a abusive way)

                Sahih Bukhari,Volume 4, Book 52, Number 110: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
                I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house."
                Lol ukhti, I cannot find these references anywhere!

                And you took them from an anti-islamic website.

                Have trust that the prophet peace be upon him loved women.

                He remained loyally married to khadija for 25 years, and even after her passing he would give gifts to her friends out of his love for his wife. Does this sound like a man who would narrate such hadith? Come on!
                If you have any questions feel free to PM me!

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                • #23
                  Re: islamic rights for women?

                  Originally posted by MissA123 View Post
                  I'm 16 and a female. I accidentally came across some upsetting discussions on Islam.
                  I am in no means trying to disagree or argue against Islam but i just need some clear explanations because this is making me cry.

                  I am aware and also after speaking to my older brother that women have many rights and yes i have seen some discussions about that but i can't just ignore other important aspects of islam and pretend it doesn't exist. My brother advice was that some things are elaborated abit and hadiths are not always reliable and that i should follow the quran and believe what i think is right as Allah will guide me. I was not fully satisfied with that answer but accepted and pretended everything was fine because he clearly wasn't understanding me. I want to understand why there are hadiths like this about islam.

                  The things that i could not understand was the following. Please can you help me and explain these points.

                  Bukhari (72:715) - "A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires."

                  Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

                  I really feel ashamed about this. I thought Islam was all about husband affection to his wife and her rights. In no means would i ever accept my husband to lay a finger on me(in a abusive way)

                  Sahih Bukhari,Volume 4, Book 52, Number 110: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
                  I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house."
                  Lol ukhti, I cannot find these references anywhere!

                  And you took them from an anti-islamic website.

                  Have trust that the prophet peace be upon him loved women.

                  He remained loyally married to khadija for 25 years, and even after her passing he would give gifts to her friends out of his love for his wife. Does this sound like a man who would narrate such hadith? Come on!
                  If you have any questions feel free to PM me!

                  Humililty, Sincerity, and the quest for Truth. There is no purpose in life but to seek the pleasure of Allah.
                  There is a possibility a female might use this account to read something!

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                  • #24
                    Re: islamic rights for women?

                    Asalaamu Alaikum,

                    Stay away from Anti-Islam sites. Especially, if you aren't that knowledgeable about the deen, because you won't be able to distinguish where they lie, where they twist, where they remove context etc.

                    Originally posted by MissA123 View Post
                    Bukhari (72:715) - "A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires."
                    You need to post the wording of the hadith properly. This is some anti-Islamic rubbish.

                    Originally posted by MissA123 View Post
                    Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
                    This hadith is da'if, unauthentic. (Graded by Al-Alabani, Shu'ayb Al-Arna'oot)

                    Originally posted by MissA123 View Post
                    Sahih Bukhari,Volume 4, Book 52, Number 110: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
                    I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house."
                    The meaning here isn't true (there's a context).

                    Read - http://islamqa.info/en/ref/27192

                    and;

                    993- 'The people of Jahileeyah used to say: 'There are omens in a house, in a woman and a horse.'

                    The origins of the hadeeth:

                    Two men from Bani 'Aamir entered upon 'Ayesha, they told her that Abu Huraira narrates on the authority of the Prophet-sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam - that he said: ' 'There are omens in a house, in a woman and a horse.'

                    She became very angry; half of her flew to the sky, and half to the earth.

                    She said : I swear by the One Who sent down the Furqaan to Muhammad, that the Messenger never ever said this, rather what he said was: 'the people of jahileeyah used to seek omens from that.'

                    And in the narration of Ahmad:

                    'But the Prophet of Allaah -sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam - used to say: the people of jahileeyah used to say: Omens are in a woman, a house and a riding animal. Then 'Ayesha read to the end of the Ayaah.'

                    And it was narrated by al-Hakim (2/479) and he said: 'authentic Isnaad' and ad-Dhahabi agreed with him, it is as they said it was, rather it is upon the conditions of Muslim.

                    What supports this narration is what at-Tayaalisee narrated in his 'Musnad' (1537): Muhammad bin Raashid narrated to us on the authority of Makhool, it was said to 'Ayesha : that Abu Huraira says: that the Messenger of Allaah -sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam - said; 'Pessimism is found in three things: in a house, a woman and a horse.'

                    'Ayesha said: Abu Huraira did not memorize this, because when he entered, the Messenger of Allaah -sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam - was saying: May Allaah curse the Jews; they say: 'Without doubt pessimism is in a house, a woman and a horse,' so he heard the end of the hadeeth, and he never heard the beginning of it.'

                    To sum up, the narrators had differed in the wording of the hadeeth, some of them narrated it as in the chapter heading.

                    There are narrators who mentioned this saying with an extra wording in the beginning of the hadeeth. This indicates that there are no omens or pessimism (and they have the same meaning like the scholars have said). This is what the majority of narrators were upon.

                    Therefore their narration is the stronger opinion, since they have more information/knowledge, so it is obligatory to accept it.

                    Certainly what supports this opinion is the hadeeth of 'Ayesha, which is the one where the people of jahileeyah are those who said that Omens are in a woman, a house and a riding animal.

                    Zarkashee said in 'al-Ejabah' (p.128) : 'Some of the scholars have said: The narration of 'Ayesha regarding this matter resembles the truth InshAllaah (i.e. More than the hadeeth of Abu Huraira) due to it being in agreement with the prohibition of the Messenger of Allaah - alayhi as-Sallat wa sallam of believing in omens, which is a general prohibition, disliking them and persuasion in leaving them, due to the saying of the Messenger : 'Seventy thousand people will enter Paradise without being taken into account. They are those who don't seek cauterization,(and in the original text: do not hoard up wealth) do not request Ruqya, nor do they believe in omens, and they rely upon their Lord.''

                    I say: he indicates by his saying: 'Some of the scholars' to Imaam at-Tahawee -may Allaah have mercy upon him. At-Tahawee favours the previously mentioned hadeeth of 'Ayesha in 'Mushkil al-Athaar', and similarly in 'Sharh al-Ma'aani' and he ended his research about this subject with this hadeeth.

                    He said regarding the hadeeth of Sa'ad, and about those which are similar in meaning:

                    'What is indicated in this hadeeth is different to what is indicated before it in other hadeeth, (I mean, the hadeeth of Ibn Umar, narrated by 'Utbah bin Muslim and that which has the same meaning on the authority of Ibn Umar), that is due to Sa'ad scolding Sa'eed when he mentioned to him about omens, he informed him on the authority of the Prophet -sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam - that he said : 'There are no omens,' then he said: If there were omens in anything, it would be in a woman, a horse and in a house.'

                    However he did not say that omens are in these things. Rather what he said was if there were omens in things they would be in those, i.e. if there were to be in anything they would be in those things. So if they were not in these things, then they would not be in anything.'

                    All Praise belongs to Allaah, may His peace and blessings be upon our final Prophet Muhammad, his family, his companions and all those who follow his guidance.


                    Source: Silsilah Ahadeeth As-Saheehah of Shaykh Al-Albaani
                    Last edited by Perseveranze; 08-04-13, 09:39 PM.
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