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  • #31
    Originally posted by Peace
    What if she's right?
    Impossible.

    (j/k ladies)
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    • #32
      these verses from the Holy Quran are always misunderstood by so many. how can you expect non-muslims to understand such verses if even muslims themselves cannot understand and continue to abuse Islam?

      islam does not and never has supported domestic violence

      we are told to follow the prophets sunnah, (ways of life,) for the best success.

      the prophet (saw) never raised his hand to any woman or child.

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      • #33
        When Islam came it came to a people who were barbaric, ignorant and deeply entrenched in customs and practises that could not possibly be changed overnight. The Qur'an did not invent their behaviour - but sought to control and change it gradually with wisdom.

        The prophet never laid a finger on his wives and always showed gentleness, kindness and great patience towards them.

        He said:

        "The Best of you is the best towards his wife!"

        We must now make it explicitly forbidden in Islamic Law to hit ones wife under ANY circumstances!

        It is simply not acceptable - full stop!
        Show LOVE with no remorse!

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        • #34
          The wifebeater should have been married to a moroccan woman!

          And believe me, moroccan women will hospitalise any man who makes her mad!

          As I know too well................!

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          • #35
            why cant wife beaters use their power to protect their wives? use their hands to give presents to them and use their arms to give them big hugs?

            at the end of the day it is down to individual morals what people decide to do, muslim or not
            Originally posted by hypocrite
            Bidah! Shirk! Murtard! Kufr! Man i hate the kuffar so much, i hate this country. I care much more about my brothers and sisters in Islam than you, because i say i do. Thats why i live here, claim benefits and moan when my dole payment is late.

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            • #36
              Yeah Hassan, but what about husband beaters?



              You never hear about them!



              But they do exist!

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              • #37
                lol Sultan - a woman never can put in bed a man

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by amal
                  lol Sultan - a woman never can put in bed a man
                  Not unless they clunk them on the head with a club or a rolling pin!

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                  • #39
                    The ranter who say the Qur'an must change it's rulling don't seem to have read Seven's post.
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                    • #40
                      i ve seen Moroccan woman in action lol..not pretty
                      Maybe self-improvement isn't the answer.... Maybe self-destruction is the answer.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by jamila
                        The ranter who say the Qur'an must change it's rulling don't seem to have read Seven's post.
                        I assume I am the ranter to which you refer sis ;) Actually I did read Seven's post - and a very good post it is - but it still leaves permission for a man to tap/hit his wife.

                        This is unacceptable today and imho was never meant to be implemented forever - but was only an instruction that was right for it's particular circumstances at the time.

                        And we need to make it very clear that NOW - under no circumstances is a husband allowed to hit his wife!
                        Last edited by Peace; 19-10-04, 10:21 PM.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Chained_Water
                          how can you forbid and make unlawful what has been made permissible in the Quran?!
                          The Qur'an tells the Muslim fighters that they must give one fifth of the spoils they gain in battle to the prophet to distribute amongst the poor and needy:

                          And you should know that a fifth of the spoils you get hold of are for Allah and the Prophet and the near relatives and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer. (Anfal verse 41)

                          This is exactly what the prophet did in the early battles of the Muslims - he allowed the Mujahidin to have their share of the spoils after taking one fifth for the poor and needy.

                          After the prophet died and during the reign of the second Caliph Umar - he felt that the Muslims in general needed to benefit from the spoils of war and so decided all should go to the BaytulMal and witheld the share of the Mujahideen.

                          How could Umar forbid and make unlawful what has been made permissible in the Quran and by the Prophet?????????????????????

                          The answer is he did not - he used his Ijtihad - knowing full well that some of the commands in the Qur'an were for specific circumstances and that when these changed - then we must use Ijtihad!

                          Simple!
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                          • #43
                            What are the rights of the husband and what are the rights of the wife?

                            Question:

                            what are a wife's rights on her husband according the Quran and Sunnah? or what are a husbands duties to his wife and viceversa?

                            Answer:

                            <BIG>Praise be to Allaah.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Islam has enjoined upon the husband duties towards his wife, and vice versa, and among these duties are some which are shared by both husband and wife.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>Firstly:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The rights of the wife which are hers alone:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The wife has financial rights over her husband, which are the mahr (dowry), spending and accommodation.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>And she has non-financial rights, such as fair division between co-wives, being treated in a decent and reasonable manner, and not being treated in a harmful way by her husband.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>1.Financial rights</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>(a)The mahr (dowry). This is the money to which the wife is entitled from her husband when the marriage contract is completed or when the marriage is consummated. It is a right which the man is obliged to pay to the woman. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>The prescription of the mahr demonstrates the seriousness and importance of the marriage-contract, and is a token of respect and honour to the woman.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The fact that divorce is permitted before consummation of the marriage or before stipulating the mahr indicates that it is permissible not to stipulate the mahr in the marriage-contract.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>If the mahr is stipulated, it becomes obligatory upon the husband; if it is not stipulated, then he must give the mahr that is given to women of similar status to his wife.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(b)Spending. The scholars of Islam are agreed that it is obligatory for husbands to spend on their wives, on the condition that the wife make herself available to her husband. If she refuses him or rebels, then she is not entitled to that spending.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The reason why it is obligatory to spend on her is that the woman is available only to her husband, because of the marriage contract, and she is not allowed to leave the marital home except with his permission. So he has to spend on her and provide for her, and this is in return for her making herself available to him for his pleasure.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>What is meant by spending is providing what the wife needs of food and accommodation. She has the right to these things even if she is rich, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>From the Sunnah:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>It was narrated from Jaabir that the Messenger of Allaah <!--#include virtual="/saws.htm" -->(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in his Farewell Sermon:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(c)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>2.Non-financial rights</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(i)Fair treatment of co-wives. One of the rights that a wife has over her husband is that she and her co-wives should be treated equally, if the husband has other wives, with regard to nights spent with them, spending and clothing.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>(ii)Kind treatment. The husband must have a good attitude towards his wife and be kind to her, and offer her everything that may soften her heart towards him, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>From the Sunnah:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>She said: And she told me that the Prophet <!--#include virtual="/saws.htm" -->(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to kiss her when he was fasting, and the Prophet <!--#include virtual="/saws.htm" -->(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and I used to do ghusl to cleanse ourselves from janaabah from one vessel.(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 316; Muslim, 296)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>(</BIG><BIG>Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1068)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Imaam Ahmad, al-Haakim, Ibn al-Salaah and others. See Khalaasat al-Badr al-Muneer, 2/438.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Among the things to which the Lawgiver drew attention in this matter is the prohibition of hitting or beating in a severe manner.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>It was narrated from Jaabir that the Messenger of Allaah <!--#include virtual="/saws.htm" -->(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in his Farewell Sermon:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Secondly:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The rights of the husband over his wife are among the greatest rights; indeed his rights over her are greater than her rights over him, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>al-Jassaas said: Allaah tells us in this aayah that each of the spouses has rights over the other, and that the husband has one particular right over his wife which she does not have over him.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>These rights include:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(a) The obligation of obedience. Allaah has made the man a qawwaam (protector and maintainer) of the woman by commanding, directing and taking care of her, just as guardians take care of their charges, by virtue of the physical and mental faculties that Allaah has given only to men and the financial obligations that He has enjoined upon them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/492)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(b) </BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG>(c)Not admitting anyone whom the husband dislikes. One of the rights that the husband has over his wife is that she should not permit anyone whom he dislikes to enter his house.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>It was narrated that Jaabir said: [the Prophet] <!--#include virtual="/saws.htm" -->(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(d)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(e)Discipline. The husband has the right to discipline his wife if she disobeys him in something good, not if she disobeys him in something sinful, because Allaah has enjoined disciplining women by forsaking them in bed and by hitting them, when they do not obey.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The Hanafis mentioned four situations in which a husband is permitted to discipline his wife by hitting her. These are: not adorning herself when he wants her to; not responding when he calls her to bed and she is taahirah (pure, i.e., not menstruating); not praying; and going out of the house without his permission.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The evidence that it is permissible to discipline one's wife includes the aayahs (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG><BIG></BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Ibn Katheer said:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Qutaadah said: you should command them to obey Allaah, and forbid them to disobey Allaah; you should be in charge of them in accordance with the command of Allaah, and instruct them to follow the commands of Allaah, and help them to do so. If you see any act of disobedience towards Allaah, then stop them from doing it and rebuke them for that.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>This was also the view of al-Dahhaak and Muqaatil: that the duty of the Muslim is to teach his family, including his relatives and his slaves, that which Allaah has enjoined upon them and that which He has forbidden them. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/392)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(f)The wife serving her husband. There is a great deal of evidence (daleel) for this, some of which has been mentioned above.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>She is obliged to serve her husband according to what is reasonable among people of similar standing. That varies according to circumstances: the way in which a Bedouin woman serves (her husband) will not be like the way of a town-dweller, and the way of a strong woman will not be like the way of a weak woman. (al-Fataawa al-Kubraa, 4/561)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(g)Submitting herself to him. Once the conditions of the marriage-contract have been fulfilled and it is valid, then the woman is obliged to submit herself to her husband and allow him to enjoy her (physically), because once the contract is completed, he is allowed in return to enjoy her, and the wife is entitled to the compensation which is the mahr.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>(h)The wife should treat her husband in a good manner, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Al-Qurtubi said:</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>And it was said that they have the right that their husbands should not harm them, and their husbands have a similar right over them. This was the view of al-Tabari.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>Ibn Zayd said: You should fear Allaah concerning them just as they should fear Allaah concerning you.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>The meanings are similar, and the aayah includes all of that in the rights and duties of marriage.(Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 3/123-124)</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG><BIG>And Allaah knows best.</BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>
                            <BIG></BIG>Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)

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                            • #44
                              Her husband beats her severely

                              Question:

                              I am a 22 year old Muslim born female in in America
                              I have been married to my husband
                              I married him because I thought that he was a good Muslim brother who cared about spreading ISlam and helping to raise the Kalimah of Allah -swt- by helping Muslims
                              I wanted to break off the marriage when we were still engaged about 4 years ago because he was saying mean things to me, hurting my feelings, and emotionally abusive.
                              But he promised that after we got married he would be nice to me and that his harshness was the result of him having a bad job. Since Muslims are supposed to keep their promises, I believed and trusted him, and agreed to marry him.
                              Since being married, he has gotten worse and has been physically abusive, even punching me and choking me.
                              My parents finally found out about 8 months ago. I left him to my parents house at that time for a few weeks. They convinced me that i should give him another chance because any other man i would marry would probably be even worse. They say that all of the other divorced women end up with worse husbands and situations.
                              He came back apologizing and promising to change his ways of saying hurtful things, being picky, and to stop the abuse. The agreemant was that I would go back to him to see if he really has changed.
                              After going back to him, he only changed for a short while.
                              He has been verbally and emotionally abusive. He has been physically abusive to a small degree. He has pushed me lightly and smacked me lightly. Since this is how his abuse started when we first got married from light to harder and harder, I decided a couple of months later that he has not changed and told my parents that.


                              Answer:

                              Saheeh al-JaamiSaheehs) from her husband are mentioned in Question 1859 on this site.

                              And Allaah knows best.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Peace
                                Brutus does make a valid point!

                                Since the Qur'an itself allows a husband to hit his wife under 'certain' circumstances. It is then not surprising that some misguided men abuse this license and beat them at the drop of a hat!

                                I believe it is wrong to lay a finger on your wife under ANY circumstances.

                                This part of the Qur'an - that allows a man to hit his wife - was for another time and another age, when people behaved and reacted differently. It is simply unacceptable in todays world!

                                I don't believe for one minute that God wants us to hit anyone! Let alone our wife! But as with many situations in 7th Century Arabia - the society could not be transformed over night - and so strict rules and regulations were set in force - with the aim of eliminating such behaviour (an analogy is Slavery).

                                We must make it explicit in Shari'ah that hitting ones wife under ANY circumstances is now FORBIDDEN!!!!!!!

                                Otherwise such wife beaters will always abuse this sanction in the Qur'an!
                                here we go again, more kufr being spouted

                                next time PEACE encourages ANY CHANGING OF QURAN, peace will be banned
                                .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                                نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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