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    Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

    There are other ahadith that indicate that the Prophet (saw) and Aisha (ra) bathed together and that they saw each other's bodies.

    Originally posted by naila-k View Post
    why should it be modest?

    if a woman wants to wear figure fitting clothes in front of her husband why is it discouraged?
    It's discouraged in IndoPak culture and sadly there are even some so called scholars who drone on about modesty in front of the husband based on weak evidences but if you actually speak to Arab scholars who know the Arabic language, they do not take issue with women being uncovered in the home (when there are no non mahrams around), or uncovering the hair or even wearing tight clothing cos' they are not exposing themselves to unrelated men.

    Originally posted by Umm Fatimah View Post
    Assalamo alaikum,

    I have noticed amongst the desi community that it seems to be the norm to think that a woman has to be dressed modestly in front of her husband.
    Walaykum salam,

    I agree I've noticed the same thing.

    I was just thinking about msmoorad's post and wondering what would happen if a couple were bathing or having intercourse and just then the adhaan starts? Does the wife need to pull herself away from her husband and throw her chaddar on? Don't deflect the issue by suggesting they shouldn't bathe or have intercourse at such times... unless you have evidence for that.
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      Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

      brother mirrors point seems to be that a husband would find his wife more appealing, seductive and attractive if she was dressed modestly, because she is dressed modestly,

      which means when we are on road and dressed modestly brothers view us as more attractive etc then if we were not.

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        Many of the posts in here are very disrespectful and hurtful, to be honest. All I've been trying to do is explain myself, but some posters feel the need to be sarcastic, deride the posts, come up with unusual scenarios etc., just because they disagree.

        Again, I wasn't speaking of hijab, just covering the hair. A woman can still beautify herself.

        Khiar, I came across this:

        It is preferable for women to keep themselves modestly dressed at all times and to keep their hair covered as well. This helps preserve the modesty and hayaa of a woman.

        and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

        Mufti Ebrahim Desai


        AskImam

        Yes, they didn't provide any daleel, but it's based on the fact that it's part of preserving the modesty. Also, maybe this came from the fact that it's desirbale for men to keep their heads covered to whenever reasonable possible, so this can be a reason that this applies to women, as well.

        :insha: This is all I have to say, before I get accused of following culture over Islam. Subhan'Allah.

        Wallahu Alam.

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          It's quite sad to see the disparagement of our Brother Mirror, for what he says has a strong basis in the foundational principles of our Deen, i.e., Modesty is held in the highest virtue and regard in the Deen and consequently in the life of our Beloved :saw: . He himself :saw:, used to cover his head at nearly all times, even during cohabitation.

          In Saheeh al Bukhari, our Beloved :saw: is reported to say :

          الحياء لا يأتي إلا بخير

          "Modesty brings nothing but good"

          In Sunan at Tirmidhi, our Beloved :saw: says:

          الحياء من الإيمان والإيمان في الجنة والبذاء من الجفاء والجفاء في النار

          “Modesty is from Imaan and Imaan is in Jannah and indecency is from aversion and aversion is in Jahannam.”

          There is no doubt that a wife may dress in any manner in front of her husband. No one, including our brother Mirror, is arguing that. However, there is a overarching principle in our Deen, found in countless examples that the more modest way is the more virtuous way. There is no doubt that in Islam there exists a permissible path and then a different level of a more virtuous path. And that is simply what Mirror is explaining in his posts.

          It is mentioned in Saheeh Al Bukhari:

          The prophet ﷺwas lying down in his house with his thighs or his calves exposes. Abu
          Bakr asked permission to enter and was permitted while the Prophet (sas) was in that
          position and he came in and spoke with him. Then, Umar asked permission to enter. He
          was granted permission and came in and spoke with him while in that position. Then,
          Uthman asked permission and the prophet ﷺsat up and straightened his clothing. He
          was then permitted and came in and spoke with the prophet ﷺ. After he had gone,
          Aisha said: Abu Bakr entered and you did not get up for him or worry about him and Umar
          came in and you did not get up for him nor worry about him but when Uthman came in, you
          straightened out your clothing! The prophet ﷺsaid: “Should I not be shy of a man
          around whom the angels are shy?”

          In other words, our Beloved Prophet :saw: was doing no crime in the manner he was sitting prior to the the arrival of Hadhrat Uthman radiAllahu anhu, yet he :saw: still took the measure to straighten his mubarak clothing before the entrance of Hadhrat.

          It is only because of today's cultural of lewdness and obscenity that we have become desensitized to what modesty entails. Even in the marriage of our Beloved :saw:, Sayyida Ayesha radiAllahu Anha narrarates in Sunan Ibn Majah:

          "I never saw the Messenger of Allah's :saw: private parts"

          So, even if we disagree about the level of modesty we should have, we should respect brother Mirror's sentiments out of knowing how much our Deen treasures modesty.

          Finally, as our Beloved Prophet :saw: there can be nothing but good that comes out of modesty. Therefore, it is certainly a source of barakah to bring into our households.

          So, is this all from culture?

          Yes. It is from the culture of modesty that our Deen fosters.
          Last edited by ImaanSeeker; 05-05-12, 07:02 AM.
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            Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

            ImaanSeeker, did you miss the other posts which say that the narration regading "never seeing the private parts" is weak? Did you also miss the fact that there are hadith which indicate the complete opposite that the Prophet (saw) used to bathe with his wife and indicates they did see each other undressed?

            We're not denying the virtue of modesty, of shyness and of remaining covered IN FRONT OF NON MAHRAMS! These sorts of limits weren't placed for married couples when they spend private time together and there is much more flexibility regarding what a Muslim woman can wear at home in front of her mahrams and children as opposed to the command of modesty and covering when she steps out of the house or if non mahrams come to visit the house.

            Mufti Desai has a bad habit of dishing out culture induced fatwas that's why I've always avoided trusting his opinions. I also mentioned that this is a common theme (modesty even within the home among mahrams or married couples) among so called Alims who are not Arab and not as well versed in Arabic.. I'd be very very surprised if someone like Sheikh Munajjid were to come out with a fatwa along those lines.
            Last edited by Jenicca; 08-05-12, 02:29 PM.
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              Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
              Many of the posts in here are very disrespectful and hurtful, to be honest. All I've been trying to do is explain myself, but some posters feel the need to be sarcastic, deride the posts, come up with unusual scenarios etc., just because they disagree.
              :salams
              Brother, relax. No need to get hurt over a few words on the internet. I still consider you the best poster on this forum. Your advice is always sound, rational and said in the best of manners (something MANY posters could learn). However, let us be honest, there is no requirement for any Muslim woman to observe hijab or wear a 'dupatta' are home.

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                Originally posted by msmoorad View Post
                salaams to all

                i just received a reply from the ulama regarding the question raised in another thread by Jenicca etc about whether its appropriate for woman to cover the hair when the adhaan is being called out
                the reply was that muslim woman should not have their hair uncovered even at home.

                please do note that this is according to Hanafi Madhab & the scholar consulted is noted for his very concise replies online.
                if i had to speak to him face to face, then he would give a more lengthy reply.

                heres the link-if anyone wishes to ask themselves:
                http://alhaadi.org.za/madrasah-info/...epartment.html

                and Allah ta'ala knows best
                jazakallah
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                  Originally posted by Sis_Asiya View Post
                  Finally! Someone who actually understood the point of the thread! Apologies to all i was somewhat sleep deprived when making the thread.

                  I found it kinda deplorable that the way a muslim woman should dress is now a fashion statement as opposed to a religious commitment.
                  It was always both.
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                    Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

                    I think all of you are failing to understand one another, or not explaining your perspectives properly.

                    1.) You have to dress modestly (abaya, niqaab etc) when going out/ in your home among non-mahram.
                    2.) You have to dress "appropriately" in your home, among mahrems. Meaning, if it's decent to wear shalwar kamees in front of your in laws, that's fine. If it's decent to wear jeans and t-shirt, that's fine. Provided no non-mahrem are around.
                    3.) You can wear "anything" (shalwar kamees, lacy lingerie or even nude) in front of your husband only. This is mainly to please him.

                    Three categories, three distinct dress styles. If one wants to do more than this for the sake of increasing their modesty/ spirituality, then that's fine too.

                    Now, what's the problem?
                    Last edited by RashidD; 06-05-12, 10:45 AM.
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                      Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

                      Originally posted by RashidD View Post
                      I think all of you are failing to understand one another, or not explaining your perspectives properly.

                      1.) You have to dress modestly (abaya, niqaab etc) when going out/ in your home among non-mahram.
                      2.) You have to dress "appropriately" in your home, among non-mahrem. Meaning, if it's decent to wear shalwar kamees in front of your in laws, that's fine. If it's decent to wear jeans and t-shirt, that's fine. Provided no non-mahrem are around.
                      3.) You can wear "anything" (shalwar kamees, lacy lingerie or even nude) in front of your husband only. This is mainly to please him.

                      Three categories, three distinct dress styles. If one wants to do more than this for the sake of increasing their modesty/ spirituality, then that's fine too.

                      Now, what's the problem?
                      The problem is we love to complicate things. It's not fun when it is easy. Even common sense is a failure. Everyone is complaining about half-naked women on ad on the streets but at home their wife has to be "modest" and wear I dont know what on their head.
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                        Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

                        So we wear hijaab at home now :scratch:
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                          Originally posted by Massilia View Post
                          The problem is we love to complicate things. It's not fun when it is easy. Even common sense is a failure. Everyone is complaining about half-naked women on ad on the streets but at home their wife has to be "modest" and wear I dont know what on their head.
                          In point 2, I wrote non-mahrems but that's supposed to be mahrems. My bad.
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                            Originally posted by RashidD View Post
                            In point 2, I wrote non-mahrems but that's supposed to be mahrems. My bad.
                            No worries I got it anyway, but my point still stands
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                              Originally posted by msmoorad View Post
                              and, its not appropriate for a muslim woman to have her hair uncovered-even when at home.
                              LOL! :rotfl:
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                                Re: muslim womens fashion .... hmmm

                                Let me ask a very unusual question.

                                What is the reason behind liking the idea of fashion?
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