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    Young girls born in Europe to immigrant families from Africa are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation, and authorities are doing little to discourage it, a leading women’s rights activist warned.

    Somalia-born supermodel and best-selling author Waris Dirie, who has campaigned to end the disfiguring practice she suffered at age five in her homeland, said yesterday that she estimates one in every three African families living in Europe is secretly carrying out the ritual on their daughters. No official figures exist.

    The procedure – illegal in most European countries – is especially prevalent in Germany and the Netherlands, as well as in Austria, where an estimated 8,000 girls born into immigrant families have been affected, Dirie said.

    “We don’t know who’s doing it and where,” because there are few initiatives to prevent it or to encourage doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers and others to report suspected cases, Dirie said. An exception is France, where there is strong awareness and education, she said.

    “What good is a law if no one is paying attention?” Dirie told reporters in Austria, where she was being honoured yesterday by a Roman Catholic men’s movement for her efforts to stop the practice.

    Islamic religious leaders are telling Europe’s Muslim Africans that the prophets recommend the ancient ritual, which involves the removal of the ****oris, often with a dull blade and no anaesthesia, Dirie said.

    “That is a catastrophe,” she said. “Every imam who is not actively against genital mutilation is guilty. Mutilation is not a tradition – it’s a crime that must be abolished.”

    Although women generally perform the procedure, sometimes called female circumcision, men are ultimately responsible because “untrimmed” young women “face great difficulties in African societies in finding a husband,” Dirie said.

    Between 100 million and 140 million women have undergone genital mutilation worldwide, and two million girls are at risk each year, according to the World Health Organisation, which says the practice can lead to infection, the spread of Aids and crippling physical, psychological and sexual problems.

    The practice has been on the rise not only among immigrants in Europe but also in Australia, Canada and the US, Who says.

    Petra Bayr, an official with Austria’s Socialist Party, said the bloc’s women would press the government to consider genital mutilation an “act of violence” and legitimate grounds for women fleeing it to be granted asylum in Austria.

    “Women who are threatened with genital mutilation or have already suffered it should not have to wait for months for an open door,” added Raimund Loeffelmann, a spokesman for the Catholic men’s organisation honouring Dirie yesterday.

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  • #2
    This is a dreadful crime.

    I wonder when people will get around to stamping out the equally disgusting practice of male genital mutilation?

    People who sexually abuse children are less than pig manure.
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    • #3
      here we go again

      just because muslim parents decide to circucize their daughters, does not mean, its genital mutilation

      genital mutilation is genital mutilation

      vaginal circumcision is vaginal circumscison
      .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
      نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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      • #4
        Genital Mutilation On the Increase In Europe Young girls born in Europe to immigrant families from Africa are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation, and authorities are doing little to discourage it, a leading womens rights activist warned.
        AbuMubarak
        here we go again
        just because muslim parents decide to circucize their daughters, does not mean, its genital mutilation
        genital mutilation is genital mutilation
        vaginal circumcision is vaginal circumscison
        If God didn't want that portion of the body attached,
        he would have created both men & women in this fashion , would he not?
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        • #5
          so i guess you see something wrong in male circumcision?
          .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
          نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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          • #6
            There is NO RECOMMENDATION in islam for female circumsition as far as i know. !!!

            The practice of male circumsition was the sunnach of Abraham alayis saalaam , and is a sunnah practice for men in the shariah of The final prophet of Islam.
            Allah knows best.
            "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

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            • #7
              why dont they call it male mutilation?
              .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
              نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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              • #8
                Indiginous Women in the west will require some female mutilation , since there has been a big rise in vaginal deiseases like chlymedia or somthing and other STDis, most of them are turning infertile anyway
                "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by shaml-uk
                  Indiginous Women in the west will require some female mutilation , since there has been a big rise in vaginal deiseases like chlymedia or somthing and other STDis, most of them are turning infertile anyway
                  What are you suggesting?

                  That women who are victims of a disease need to have their genitals mutilated in order to be cured?
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                  • #10
                    dear brothers'
                    This topic needs to be broken down:

                    THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM THAT REQUIRES FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

                    THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FEMALE CIRCUMCISION AND FGM. (FGM includes the removal of the ****oris - Female circumcision removes the hood)

                    and finally my opinion: There MUST MUST MUST be male scholars condemning the practice of FGM. ALL logic dictates that it is Haram. IT IS MUTILATION. It is changing the anatomy of a woman. HOW CAN TATTOOS BE DECLARED HARAM AND NOT FGM!!!????!!!)

                    Please muslim brothers this is not an attack on Islam.

                    This is the case of silence being betrayal.

                    Why oh why can we not have men on this board just simply come on and state that FGM is a disgusting practice?!!! what is wrong with you people?!!! can't you just come on here and say at the very least: "FGM is not female circumcision, it is beyond that and hence it is VERY wrong and disgusting. it is a backward, uneducated practice and we must help people who practice it. ALso Female circumcison is NOT REQUIRED in Islam!!!"

                    WHY OH WHY must you almost defend the subject with your silence and your diversions?!!!!!

                    what is wrong with you????!!!

                    Please brothers don't leave your muslims women to fight this alone when you know your opinions are important!

                    Also female circumcision has nothing to do with the prevention of vaginal diseases. I am sorry to say you have been mislead if you have been told this.

                    PLEASE brothers i BEG you to make a stand for once on this topic insteda of turning a blind eye or discussing female or male circumcision. I can give you details of what is done to these womens genitals but the topic is not appropriate.

                    PLEASE BROTHERS, just say the right thing and stand for what is right. do not get defensive on unrelated issues. PLEASE!
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                    • #11
                      Miriam What are you suggesting? That women who are victims of a disease need to have their genitals mutilated in order to be cured?

                      No, what he's suggesting is that he likes the thought of attacking children's sex organs.



                      AbuMubarak just because muslim parents decide to circucize their daughters, does not mean, its genital mutilation

                      yes it certainly does. It also calls into question the moral capacity of these parents to even have children.

                      Since the sex organs are never going to be on show, what is the purpose of cutting bits off them in any case?

                      People who attack children's sex organs, or who support this disgusting custom are perverts.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mariam
                        What are you suggesting?

                        That women who are victims of a disease need to have their genitals mutilated in order to be cured?
                        iam suggesting that women with vaginal diseases caused by lame sexual practices / promoicuity may need to have female mutilation done to them, i.e. surgury to get rid of disease.
                        "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

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                        • #13
                          I have never heard of a medical intervention involving genital mutilation being suggested as a cure for a vaginal disease (with the possible exception of excising a cancer...which is not called genital mutilation).

                          Do you have any medical basis to suggest such a procedure?

                          ie. "female mutilation" as a cure for STD's
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mariam
                            I have never heard of a medical intervention involving genital mutilation being suggested as a cure for a vaginal disease (with the possible exception of excising a cancer...which is not called genital mutilation).

                            Do you have any medical basis to suggest such a procedure?

                            ie. "female mutilation" as a cure for STD's
                            female genetil mutilation to a greater or lesser degree ( not children as some moron inferred) is carried out in surgical procedures in extream circumstances to treat incurable diseases ( many stds are incurable :) ) , as well as cancerous tumours.

                            Its just the words "female mutilation " sound a bit dramatic, but its all good if its done for medical reasons. you get me? or do you prefer medieval herbal remedies and homoepathy...
                            "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shaml-uk
                              female genetil mutilation to a greater or lesser degree ( not children as some moron inferred) is carried out in surgical procedures in extream circumstances to treat incurable diseases ( many stds are incurable :) ) , as well as cancerous tumours.

                              Its just the words "female mutilation " sound a bit dramatic, but its all good if its done for medical reasons. you get me? or do you prefer medieval herbal remedies and homoepathy...
                              I'd certainly appreciate a link from a reputable medical site reccomending "female genital mutilation" as a cure for STD's.

                              :)
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