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  • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

    Originally posted by AnonymousAS View Post
    Painful and traumatic, another way by whic to oppress women.

    Victims of FGM are in pain whenever they have intercourse and when they give birth, it's a very despicable practice.

    I'm assuming that circumcision means trimming the clitoris but why is there a need to do this and how is it an "honour"? Just to reinforce the nonsense that only men should be able to enjoy intimacy.
    Even men get circumcised. I don't get it.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

      Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
      Even men get circumcised. I don't get it.
      Cutting the foreskin does not have the same effect as puncturing the clitoris.

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      • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

        Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
        And male circumcision isn't painful?
        It is painful but it's done in hospital by experienced doctors for males. females is mostly done in secrecy and infections and stuff is very common. i didn't mean to imply male circumcision was less painful than female but i meant female was painful because most girls don't have access to painkillers and proper treatment, and i read that probably after that women have trouble in their sex life. it seems immoral and non-islamic to me because islam does not mention it and it would just be wrong to interfere with god's creation when he has not mention anything as such (mutilation of human body for no (necessary) medical reason is forbidden, as far as i know)
        Last edited by greenblanket; 22-12-15, 02:00 PM.

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        • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

          Although a 'simpler' operation, male circumcision is still the irreversible maiming of a non-consenting, helpless child. It is an obvious infringement of a person's autonomy, even though it seems to be socially accepted. Obviously, if it's required for medical reasons that is another story, however more complications are caused by circumcision than potential problems solved. You might as well recommend everyone has their tonsils removed just in case they get tonsillitis.

          Circumcision didn't arise for cleanliness reasons - it arose to desensitise the glans, diminishing sexual pleasure and to stop masturbation.

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          • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

            Originally posted by LiberalHumanist View Post
            Although a 'simpler' operation, male circumcision is still the irreversible maiming of a non-consenting, helpless child. It is an obvious infringement of a person's autonomy, even though it seems to be socially accepted. Obviously, if it's required for medical reasons that is another story, however more complications are caused by circumcision than potential problems solved. You might as well recommend everyone has their tonsils removed just in case they get tonsillitis.

            Circumcision didn't arise for cleanliness reasons - it arose to desensitise the glans, diminishing sexual pleasure and to stop masturbation.
            are those the reasons God told Abraham, a grown man, to circumcise himself? and left that as a tradition for all abrahamic religions?

            i hear that same logic for why we dont eat pork, because it is unhealthy, but the reason a muslim does not eat pork is because Allah forbid it

            we do what we do because this is what Allah has commanded the five prayers the hijab the circumcision, all of it

            why cant people just understand that ISLAM means submission to Allah's commands, and leave it at that?
            Last edited by AbuMubarak; 22-12-15, 02:25 PM.
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            • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

              Question:
              What is the most preferred view on female circumcision? Did Prophet Muhammad ﷺ allow it for females and why? جزاك الله جيرا
              Answer:
              بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

              Female Circumcision in Islam

              The Prophet ﷺ said:
              خَمْسٌ مِنَ الْفِطْرَةِ: الْخِتَانُ، وَالِاسْتِحْدَادُ، وَتَقْلِيمُ الْأَظْفَارِ، وَنَتْفُ الْإِبْطِ، وَقَصُّ الشَّارِبِ
              Five things are connected to the Fitrah: Circumcision, Shaving the pubic hairs, Clipping the nails, Plucking the armpit hairs and Trimming the moustache.
              The term Fitrah refers to the inherent and natural qualities and ways of a human-being.[1] The laws of the Shariah are equally applicable to men and women ( [2]النساء شقائق الرجال), except where there is clear proof stating that women are exempted. The acts of Fitrah mentioned in the Hadith are general and relates to both male and female. Furthermore, there are no evidences indicating that circumcision is restricted to males only.
              In fact, female circumcision was the norm and custom of Arab women and was also endorsed by the Prophet ﷺ. Consider the following Ahadith of the Prophet ﷺ;
              إِذَا جَاوَزَ الْخِتَانُ الْخِتَانَ وَجَبَ الْغُسْلُ ‏ (الترمذي)
              When the circumcised meets the circumcised then Ghusl is required.”
              إِذَا جَلَسَ بَيْنَ شُعَبِهَا الأَرْبَعِ وَمَسَّ الْخِتَانُ الْخِتَانَ فَقَدْ وَجَبَ الْغُسْلُ (مسلم)
              When a man sits amidst her four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
              Imam at-Tahtaawi, in his Hashiya Ala Maraqil Falah commenting on the Hadith narrated by Imam at-Tirmidhi sates that female circumcision was the custom of Arab women.[3]
              Imam Badruddin al Ayni in his Umdatul Qaari and al-Binayah also confirms that female circumcision was the custom of Arab women.[4]
              It is narrated in numerous books of Ahadith that a Sahabiyah by the name of Umm Atiyyah (r.a) used to circumcise females at the time of the Prophet ﷺ. The Prophet ﷺ said her regarding her profession;
              لا تنهكي فإن ذلك أحظى للمرأة وأحب إلى البعل (أبو داود)
              Don’t cut too much, for that will be more pleasing to the woman and more desirable to the husband
              In another Hadith it is reported that the Prophet said to Umm Atiyya (r.a)
              فقال لها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: “يا أم عطية: اخفضي ولا تُنهِكيِ، فإنه أنضر للوجه، وأحظى عند الزوج
              Oh Umm Atiya! Circumcise, but don’t cut too much, for that will be brighter for the face (i.e. satisfying for her) and more pleasing to the husband. {Al-Mustadrak, at-Tabarani , al-Baihaqi} [5]
              In another Hadith the Prophet ﷺ advises the women of the Ansaar in general regarding circumcision;
              يا نســاء الأنصــار اختضـبن عمســاً ، واختفـضن ولا تنـهـكن ؛ فإنه أحظـى لإناثكن عند أزواجهن
              Oh women of the Ansaar! Apply henna and circumcise! but do not exaggerate (i.e.do not cut too much) for it is more pleasing for your women folks when they are with their husbands.
              The aforementioned Ahaadith and others [6]clearly indicate that, not only was circumcision prominent amongst Arab women but its action was also affirmed and endorsed by the Messenger of Allah ﷺ. For this reason the Jurists of Islam are unanimous on the permissibility of female circumcision. Some are of the view that it is compulsory, others are of the view that it an action which is greatly emphasized except that it is not compulsory, while others state that it is Mustahab[7] (commendable). Female circumcision being commendable is the stance of the majority of the Hanafi Jurists and is considered the most preferred and acceptable view.[8]

              Misconception regarding Female Circumcision

              “Female Circumcision is a very barbaric and inhumane action as it entails mutilation of the female genitals”.
              Clarification;
              Female circumcision in our times is commonly referred to as FGM (Female Genital Mutilation) which it practice in many parts of the world. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has categorized FGM into basically three types viz.
              Type I: Often referred to as clitoridectomy, this is the partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals).
              Type II: Often referred to as excision, this is the partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora (the inner folds of the vulva), with or without excision of the labia majora (the outer folds of skin of the vulva)
              Type III: Often referred to as infibulation, this is the narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the labia minora, or labia majora, sometimes through stitching, with or without removal of the clitoris (clitoridectomy).[9]
              All of the three aforementioned methods of female circumcision are absolutely not in conformity with the laws of Shariah and therefore cannot be attributed to Islam. The Shariah permits female circumcision however, with specific measures and guidelines. The method of female circumcision allowed in the Shariah is completely different to these barbaric methods listed above.
              According to the Scholars of Shariah, the correct method of female circumcision is as follows;
              وهو مقطع جليدة في أعلى فرجها تشبه عرف الديك بينها وبين مدخل الذكَر جلدة رقيقة [10]
              The type of female circumcision which is permitted in Islam entails cutting piece of the thin skin (prepuce) which is above the clitoris in a manner mentioned by the Prophet ﷺ (لا تنهكي) i.e. without exaggeration. Therefore, the method of female circumcision does not entail cutting any part of the clitoris or labia nor does it involve infibulation (the practice of excising the clitoris and labia and stitching together the edges of the vulva to prevent sexual intercourse).
              The method of female circumcision prescribed in the Shariah is akin to male circumcision in that only the prepuce is removed. The procedure of male circumcision entails the removal of the entire foreskin whereas in female circumcision only a piece of the prepuce is removed. Moreover, male circumcision is not considered barbaric rather it is encouraged by many western experts.
              The W.H.O. has also included the method of Female Circumcision prescribed by the Shariah as barbaric and pharaonic and thus grouped it under the category of FGM Type I. However, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) on the topic of “Harmful Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children” released an article which clearly shows that the method of Female- Circumcision permitted by the Shariah is far from being barbaric;
              “Types of surgical forms ;(a) Circumcision or Sunna (“traditional”) circumcision: This involves the removal of the prepuce and the tip of the clitoris. This is the only operation which, medically, can be likened to male circumcision”[11]
              In this article cutting of the tip the clitoris is akin to male circumcision which is acceptable and not considered to be barbaric. Therefore, the method of female circumcision prescribed by the Shariah cannot by any means be regarded as barbaric as only the prepuce (or part of) is removed.
              If a particular medicine, which is proven to work is misused by an individual, it would be foolish of a person to condemn the medicine, what should be condemned is its misuse. Similarly, it is incorrect for a person to condemn female circumcision entirely, as it is legislated by the Shariah, rather one should condemn its misuse and malpractices.

              Benefits of Female Circumcision
              Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:
              The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.
              Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimetres when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.
              Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.
              Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.
              Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire.[12]
              Then Dr al-Ghawaabi refutes those who claim that female circumcision leads to frigidity by noting:
              Frigidity has many causes, and this claim is not based on any sound statistics comparing circumcised women with uncircumcised women, except in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves.
              From Liwa’ al-Islam magazine, issue 8 and 10; article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat (circumcision of girls).
              The female gynaecologist Sitt al-Banaat Khaalid says in an article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat Ru’yah Sihhiyyah (Female circumcision from a health point of view):
              For us in the Muslim world female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam, which means acting in accordance with the fitrah and following the Sunnah which encourages it. We all know the dimensions of Islam, and that everything in it must be good in all aspects, including health aspects. If the benefits are not apparent now, they will become known in the future, as has happened with regard to male circumcision – the world now knows its benefits and it has become widespread among all nations despite the opposition of some groups.
              Then she mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said:
              It takes away excessive libido from women
              It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.
              It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections
              It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.
              In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:
              With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted. [13]
              In conclusion, Female Circumcision is permitted in Islam by the manner prescribed by the Fuqaha (Jurists), and should only be undertaken by medical experts in that field.

              And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best
              Mufti Kaleem Muhammad
              Darul Iftaa, Jaamia Madinatul Uloom
              Trinidad, West
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              • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
                here we go again

                just because muslim parents decide to circucize their daughters, does not mean, its genital mutilation

                genital mutilation is genital mutilation

                vaginal circumcision is vaginal circumscison
                Abumubarak does have a point here. It seems that male circumcision does not get any critical reactions like female circumcision do.( Or worse, misunderstood like being fgm ) And today it's not unnormal to have a surgery done by other reasons than medical, in Europe! If I had been 18 today I would definately concider for my own sake.

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                • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                  The practice of male circumsition was the sunnach of Abraham alayis saalaam , and is a sunnah practice for men in the shariah of The final prophet of Islam.Allah knows best.

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                    • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                      It's wrong . If it was meant to be then every child would have this done , yet it's only certain countries that still practice . One day I pray they stop FGM

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                      • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                        Originally posted by Umm-A View Post
                        It's wrong . If it was meant to be then every child would have this done , yet it's only certain countries that still practice . One day I pray they stop FGM
                        Since when was the world ever on the same page about something being right or wrong?

                        Those countries who still practice are so backwards. Them third world countries.... #amiright
                        If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
                        “Whoever turns away from my Sunnah has nothing to do with me.” (al-Bukhaari)

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                          • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                            Sounds crazy!

                            Originally posted by Mary Carol View Post
                            Young girls born in Europe to immigrant families from Africa are being subjected to ritual genital mutilation, and authorities are doing little to discourage it, a leading women’s rights activist warned.

                            Somalia-born supermodel and best-selling author Waris Dirie, who has campaigned to end the disfiguring practice she suffered at age five in her homeland, said yesterday that she estimates one in every three African families living in Europe is secretly carrying out the ritual on their daughters. No official figures exist.

                            The procedure – illegal in most European countries – is especially prevalent in Germany and the Netherlands, as well as in Austria, where an estimated 8,000 girls born into immigrant families have been affected, Dirie said.

                            “We don’t know who’s doing it and where,” because there are few initiatives to prevent it or to encourage doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers and others to report suspected cases, Dirie said. An exception is France, where there is strong awareness and education, she said.

                            “What good is a law if no one is paying attention?” Dirie told reporters in Austria, where she was being honoured yesterday by a Roman Catholic men’s movement for her efforts to stop the practice.

                            Islamic religious leaders are telling Europe’s Muslim Africans that the prophets recommend the ancient ritual, which involves the removal of the ****oris, often with a dull blade and no anaesthesia, Dirie said.

                            “That is a catastrophe,” she said. “Every imam who is not actively against genital mutilation is guilty. Mutilation is not a tradition – it’s a crime that must be abolished.”

                            Although women generally perform the procedure, sometimes called female circumcision, men are ultimately responsible because “untrimmed” young women “face great difficulties in African societies in finding a husband,” Dirie said.

                            Between 100 million and 140 million women have undergone genital mutilation worldwide, and two million girls are at risk each year, according to the World Health Organisation, which says the practice can lead to infection, the spread of Aids and crippling physical, psychological and sexual problems.

                            The practice has been on the rise not only among immigrants in Europe but also in Australia, Canada and the US, Who says.

                            Petra Bayr, an official with Austria’s Socialist Party, said the bloc’s women would press the government to consider genital mutilation an “act of violence” and legitimate grounds for women fleeing it to be granted asylum in Austria.

                            “Women who are threatened with genital mutilation or have already suffered it should not have to wait for months for an open door,” added Raimund Loeffelmann, a spokesman for the Catholic men’s organisation honouring Dirie yesterday.

                            http://news.scotsman.com/latestpillscfm?id=3806689

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                            • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                              Horrible disgusting practice that no girl should have to endure. WHO considers female circumcision the same as FGM, that is all cutting, scraping, partial or total removal of female genitalia is FGM. It has zero benefits and is only performed to reduce a woman's right to enjoy intimacy.

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                              • Re: Female genital mutilation,Haram---Female circumcision,Halal

                                Originally posted by secular1 View Post
                                Horrible disgusting practice that no girl should have to endure. WHO considers female circumcision the same as FGM, that is all cutting, scraping, partial or total removal of female genitalia is FGM. It has zero benefits and is only performed to reduce a woman's right to enjoy intimacy.
                                913 posts before have addressed this issue

                                if you are not going to read most of it, or even opposing views, you coming here ranting the same nonsense is useless

                                and we dont care what the WHO says, they are an extension of western immorality on so many levels
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