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  • the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

    obviously this is not from Islam, but where does this belief stem from/ has anyone heard of it/ in which cultures does it prevail

    :jkk:

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    Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

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    • #3
      Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

      me too, i just wrote something on another forum saying may she go to jannah, and someone (non muslim) said that the people in turkey where the women had died had told her the women wont go to heaven as she was strangled?

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      • #4
        Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

        Originally posted by naila-k View Post
        me too, i just wrote something on another forum saying may she go to jannah, and someone (non muslim) said that the people in turkey where the women had died had told her the women wont go to heaven as she was strangled?
        the turkish people are mashallaah very friendly, but their understanding of islam is often quite cultural to say the least.

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        • #5
          Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

          Out of ignorance.wallahu a'lam.Actually the person who dies from drowning is considered to be a shaheed,as mentioned in the Hadith.Subhanallah!What a lofty status.

          Abu Hurairah (r.a) reported: Rasulullah (s.a.w) said, "Whom do you reckon to be martyr amongst you?
          The sahabah replied: "The one who is killed in Allah's way.'' He said, "In that case, the martyrs among my people would be few.
          The sahabah asked: "O Messenger of Allah! Then who are the martyrs?'' He replied, "He who is killed in the way of Allah is a martyr; he who dies naturally in the Cause of Allah is a martyr; he who dies of plague is a martyr; and he who dies of a belly disease is a martyr; and he who is drowned is a martyr.''
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          • #6
            Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

            Originally posted by naila-k View Post
            obviously this is not from Islam, but where does this belief stem from/ has anyone heard of it/ in which cultures does it prevail

            :jkk:
            I think the claimant may have meant Suicides Don't goto Jannah,

            which is correct.

            :jkk:
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            • #7
              Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

              Maybe the person who died hung them themselves hence it is suicide.... as mentioned above.
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              • #8
                Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                so the suicidal muslim will leave hell after a certain period?
                .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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                • #9
                  Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                  Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
                  so the suicidal muslim will leave hell after a certain period?
                  Allahu alam

                  Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever throws himself down from a mountain and kills himself will be in the Fire of Hell, throwing himself down therein for ever and ever. Whoever takes poison and kills himself, his poison will be in his hand and he will be sipping it in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever kills himself with a piece of iron, that piece of iron will be in his hand and he will be stabbing himself in the stomach with it in the Fire of Hell, for ever and ever.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5442; Muslim, 109.
                  "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                  The Prophet :saw: said:

                  "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                  muslim

                  Narrated 'Abdullah:

                  The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                  "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                  By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                  [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                  • #10
                    Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                    Ruling on committing suicide because of depression

                    What is the ruling on committing suicide in the case of severe depression in which the sick person is not aware of the consequences of what he does? Will Allaah forgive him for this action?
                    Is it possible that the suffering that the sick person goes through because of this disease is an expiation for his sins?.

                    Suicide is a major sin, and the one who does that is faced with a warning of eternity in the Fire of Hell, where Allaah will punish him with the means that he used to commit suicide. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever throws himself down from a mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever drinks poison and kills himself will be sipping it in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever kills himself with a piece of iron will have that iron in his hand, thrusting it into his belly in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5442) and Muslim (109),

                    It was narrated from Thaabit ibn Dahhaak (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills himself with something will be punished with it on the Day of Resurrection.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5700) and Muslim (110).

                    It was narrated that Jundub ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “A man among those who came before you was wounded. He panicked and took a knife and cut his hand, and the bleeding did not stop until he died. Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, said: ‘My slave hastened his death; I have forbidden Paradise to him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3276) and Muslim (113).

                    The believer has to be patient and to seek the help of Allaah, may He be exalted, and understand that no matter what hardship befalls him in this world -- no matter how severe it is -- the punishment of the Hereafter is worse than it. It is not acceptable according to anyone who is of right mind to run away from the heat of the desert and throw himself into the fire. How can he flee from temporary hardship and difficulty -- which inevitably will come to an end -- to an eternal punishment which has no end?

                    The Muslim should ponder and realise that he is not the only one in this world who is affected by calamity and hardship. Calamities befell the greatest of mankind, namely the Prophets, Messengers and the righteous. They also befell the worst of mankind, namely the disbelievers and atheists.

                    Calamity is part of the natural order of things and hardly anyone is safe from it.

                    If the believer handles it well and is patient, and it becomes a means that makes him turn back to Allaah and strive hard in worship and righteous deeds, then the calamity will have been good for him and will be expiation for his sins, and perhaps he will meet Allaah with no burden of sin.

                    The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “No pain, hardship, sickness or grief befalls a believer, not even worry that befalls him, but some of his bad deeds will be expiated.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5642) and Muslim (2573).

                    Al-Tirmidhi (2399) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “Calamities will continue to befall believing men and women in themselves, their children and their wealth, until they meet Allaah with no burden of sin.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Saheehah (2280).

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                    "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                    The Prophet :saw: said:

                    "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                    muslim

                    Narrated 'Abdullah:

                    The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                    "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                    By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                    [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                    • #11
                      Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                      but she was murdered.....apparantly for being a feminist, i kid you not

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                      • #12
                        Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                        Originally posted by naila-k View Post
                        but she was murdered.....apparantly for being a feminist, i kid you not
                        rather pertinent points you omitted

                        so basically, someone killed this woman, thru drowning/strangulation and other people say she wont go to jannah because the manner in which she was killed prohibits her from jannah?

                        so if the kuffar want to really tick off the muslims, dont cover their bullets with pork, just drown/strangle them?

                        nope

                        the method of death for the believer is immaterial, i have even read that no matter how the believer dies, the pain he feels is no more than the prick of a needle (or was that a mujahid?)

                        now, what is interesting is that this woman was a feminist, (i presume, womens rights, no hijab, etc) if that was the case, her method of death is not her major concern at this point
                        .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                        نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                        دولة الإسلامية باقية





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                          Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                          re suicide due to severe mental illness.......... it's the case that the pen is lifted from the one who is insane, so if someone committed suicide while insane, doesn't that mean that the pen was lifted at the time they did it?
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                          • #14
                            Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                            Reading some of the Hadiths posted here re. suicide, it says the Muslim will be in Hell for ever.

                            But what about those other Hadiths where it states eventually every Muslim will be admitted to Paradise (after being in Jahnam) ?
                            'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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                              Re: the drowned/ strangled dont go to jannah?

                              Originally posted by dhakiyya View Post
                              re suicide due to severe mental illness.......... it's the case that the pen is lifted from the one who is insane, so if someone committed suicide while insane, doesn't that mean that the pen was lifted at the time they did it?
                              Allahu alam, but insanity means being totally unaware of their actions, depression for example, isnt truely insanity, its just an altered state of mind the person is still aware of what theyre doing.

                              Originally posted by Peacenik View Post
                              Reading some of the Hadiths posted here re. suicide, it says the Muslim will be in Hell for ever.

                              But what about those other Hadiths where it states eventually every Muslim will be admitted to Paradise (after being in Jahnam) ?
                              does loosing hope and trust in Allah still make u a muslim ? isnt there a narration that the one who commits suicide cant have a muslim burial ..
                              "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                              The Prophet :saw: said:

                              "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                              muslim

                              Narrated 'Abdullah:

                              The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                              "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                              By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                              [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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