Hadith of the pond of Khumm

[Saif-Uddin]

Re: Hadith of the pond of Khumm

Selam, a shia friend of mine has given me this hadith (Hadith of the pond of Khumm) and called it undisputed evidence that they are right in beliving that Ali was to follow Muhammad as leader. Any thoughts?

False assumption,

ask your Shia friend to read the Authentic Ahaadith pertaining to what Rasul :saw: about Abu Bakr (ra) ...

they don't even believe in many of the Ahaadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari, they accept what they want and reject what they want ...

their ulterior motives are quite plain,

:jkk:

[Glorfindel]

Re: Hadith of the pond of Khumm

Again can you give a reference, from where is this hadith, which book?

[mudahedin]

Re: Hadith of the pond of Khumm

On the way back to Medina, he ordered his Companions to stop at Ghadeer Khum and delivered a sermon of which, a brief version is quoted below,

O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?’ They said, ‘We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.’ He said, ‘Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?’ They said, ‘Yes, we bear witness’. He said, ‘O Allah, bear witness.’ Then he said, ‘O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves.

Of whomsoever I had been Master (Mawla), Ali here is to be his Master. O Allah, be a supporter of whoever supports him (Ali) and an enemy of whoever opposes him.

Then he said,

‘O people, I will go ahead of you and you will arrive at my Pond (in Heaven) which is wider than the distance between Basra and San’a. It has receptacles as numerous as the stars, and two cups of gold and two of silver.

I will ask you about the two weighty things that I have left for you when you come to me to see how you dealt with them. The greater weighty thing is Allah’s book—the Holy Qur’an. One end is in Allah’s hand and the other is in your hands. Keep it and you will not deviate. That other weighty thing is my family (Ahl al-Bayt) and my descendents. The Most Kind the Omniscient had told me that both of them, would not separate until they come to my Pond

Another similar narration of the Hadith goes as follows

"Oh people! Reflect on the Quran and comprehend its verses. Look into its clear verses and do not follow its ambiguous parts, for by Allah, none shall be able to explain to you its warnings and its mysteries, nor shall anyone clarify its interpretation, other than the one that I have grasped his hand, brought up beside myself, [and lifted his arm,] the one about whom I inform you that whomever I am his master (Mawla), this Ali is his master (Mawla); and he is Ali Ibn Abi Talib, my brother, the executor of my will (Wasiyyi), whose appointment as your guardian and leader has been sent down to me from Allah, the mighty and the majesti

[Kashmir_85]

Re: Hadith of the pond of Khumm

I think I know which one you are on about, and if it is that one, then I believe that the hadith relates to the time when Nabi saw defended Ali ra after he had been slandered. So our Nabi SAW praised Ali ra,

Please correct me if I am wrong

[Glorfindel]

Re: Hadith of the pond of Khumm

Please show us the hadith with references then maybe we can discuss.

[mudahedin]

Selam, a shia friend of mine has given me this hadith (Hadith of the pond of Khumm) and called it undisputed evidence that they are right in beliving that Ali was to follow Muhammad as leader. Any thoughts?