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  • #46
    Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

    Originally posted by Sismael View Post
    What happened to the other thread?

    ImaMuslim you haven't answered my question
    Hard for me to read your question when it has been deleted brother.

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    • #47
      Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

      Originally posted by saif al bataar View Post
      Exactly..

      The prophet :saw: said "Whenever gentleness is added to something, it adorns it and whenever it is withdrawn from something, it leaves it defective." [Muslim]
      This. Maa shaa Allaah.

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      • #48
        Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

        I'm not sure if it's actually haraam to sell 'Israeli' dates. I certainly wouldn't buy or sell them nor would encourage anyone else to - but if they chose to, would that be a problem shariah wise?
        Last edited by Abu 'Abdullaah; 21-08-11, 06:46 PM.

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        • #49
          Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

          Even though this isn't the message of the thread. I did find it kind of beautiful to see so many Muslims walking around in that area, with different stores and the like.
          مَّن ذَا الَّذِي يُقْرِضُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا فَيُضَاعِفَهُ لَهُ أَضْعَافًا كَثِيرَةً وَاللّهُ يَقْبِضُ وَيَبْسُطُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

          "Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful loan, which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times?
          It is Allah that giveth (you) Want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return."
          Surah al-Baqarah
          [2:245]

          .:.
          .:. Perfer et Obdura : Dolor Hic Tibi Proderit Olim .:.
          Be patient and strong : someday this pain will be useful to you

          .:.
          ...said the spider to the fly...

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          • #50
            Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

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            Last edited by Grotbags; 17-08-15, 01:04 AM. Reason: user request
            The Prophet SAW said, "(There are2words which R dear 2 the most gracious (Allah SWT)&very easy4the tongue2say but very heavy in the balance.They are:Subhan Allahi Wa Bihamdihi - Subhan Allahil-Azim

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            • #51
              Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

              Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
              I'm not sure if it's actually haraam to sell 'Israeli' dates. I certainly wouldn't buy or sell them nor would encourage anyone else too - but if they chose too, would that be a problem shariah wise?
              Something I found:

              Boycotting the products of kuffaar who are hostile towards Islam
              Secure few moments, everyday, to reflect upon the innumerable blessings of Allah and thank Him for bestowing them upon you.

              "A person who is blessed with the ability to be grateful, shall never be deprived of barakah and increase in blessings."
              - Rasulullah (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)‎

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              • #52
                Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
                Yeah, I remember that. Nice and balanced view.

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                • #53
                  Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                  Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
                  U actually turned out to be useful :p

                  Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Saheeh Muslim (11/14):

                  The Muslims are unanimously agreed that it is permissible to interact with ahl al-dhimmah (non-Muslims living under Muslim rule) and other kuffaar, so long as the object of the transaction is not haraam, but it is not permissible for a Muslim to sell weapons or tools of war to those who are waging war against the Muslims, or anything that helps them to support their religion.

                  Ibn Battaal said: dealing with the kuffaar is permissible, except for selling things to those who are at war with the Muslims that may help them against the Muslims.

                  It was narrated in al-Majmoo’ (9/432) that there is scholarly consensus that it is forbidden to sell weapons to people who are waging war against Muslims.

                  The reason for that is obvious, which is that these weapons will be used to fight the Muslims.

                  Secondly:

                  There is no doubt that it is prescribed to engage in jihad against the enemies of Allaah, Jews and others, with our lives and our wealth. That includes every means that will weaken their economy and cause them harm. Money is the lifeblood of wars ancient and modern.



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                  • #54
                    Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                    Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
                    To quote your own link:

                    Praise be to Allaah.

                    Firstly:

                    The basic principle is that it is permissible to interact and do business, buying and selling, with the Jews and others, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions interacted with the Jews of Madeenah, buying and selling, lending and putting items in pledge, and other kinds of interactions that are permissible according to our religion. The Jews with whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) interacted were people with whom the Muslims had a treaty; those who broke the treaty were either killed or expelled, or were left alone if that served some interest.

                    But there is evidence which indicates that it is permissible to buy and sell with kuffaar who are in a state of war against the Muslims.

                    Imam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

                    Chapter: Buying and selling with the mushrikeen and people who are at war with Islam.

                    Then he narrated (2216) that ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Abi Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: We were with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) then a mushrik man came with some sheep that he was driving. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Are they for sale or a gift?” He said: “For sale.” So he bought a sheep from him.

                    Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Saheeh Muslim (11/14):

                    The Muslims are unanimously agreed that it is permissible to interact with ahl al-dhimmah (non-Muslims living under Muslim rule) and other kuffaar, so long as the object of the transaction is not haraam, but it is not permissible for a Muslim to sell weapons or tools of war to those who are waging war against the Muslims, or anything that helps them to support their religion.

                    Ibn Battaal said: dealing with the kuffaar is permissible, except for selling things to those who are at war with the Muslims that may help them against the Muslims.

                    It was narrated in al-Majmoo’ (9/432) that there is scholarly consensus that it is forbidden to sell weapons to people who are waging war against Muslims.

                    The reason for that is obvious, which is that these weapons will be used to fight the Muslims.

                    Secondly:

                    There is no doubt that it is prescribed to engage in jihad against the enemies of Allaah, Jews and others, with our lives and our wealth. That includes every means that will weaken their economy and cause them harm. Money is the lifeblood of wars ancient and modern.

                    The Muslims in general should cooperate in righteousness and piety and help the Muslims in all places in ways that will lead them to prevail and strengthen them and enable them to manifest the symbols of religion, to practise the teachings of Islam and to implement the rulings of sharee’ah and carry out hudood punishments, and whatever will lead to their victory over the kuffaar, Jews, Christians and others. They should strive their hardest in jihad against the enemies of Allaah with all the means at their disposal. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Strive against the mushrikeen with your wealth, your lives and your tongues (speech).” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2504; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

                    The Muslims have to help the mujaahideen as much as they can, and do everything that will strengthen Islam and the Muslims. They must also strive against the kuffaar in whatever ways they can, and do everything they can to weaken the kuffaar and the enemies of Islam. They should not employ them as workers such as typists, accountants, engineers or servants in any kind of service that gives them more power to collect the wealth of the Muslims and use it against them.

                    Conclusion:

                    The one who boycotts the products of the kuffaar who are waging war against Islam, intending thereby to make manifest the fact that he does not like or support them, and to weaken their economy, will be rewarded in sha Allah for this good intention.

                    Whoever deals with them on the basis of the principle that it is permissible to deal with the kuffaar – especially buying things that he needs – there is no sin on him, in sha Allaah, and that does not affect the principle of al-wala’ wa’l-bara’ (loyalty and friendship vs. disavowal and enmity) in Islam.

                    The Standing Committee was asked: What is the ruling on Muslims not cooperating with and not wanting to buy from Muslims, and preferring to buy from the kuffaar; is this permissible or forbidden?

                    They replied:

                    The basic principle is that it is permissible for the Muslim to buy whatever he needs of things that Allaah has permitted from both Muslims and kaafirs. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) bought from the Jews, but if a Muslim turns away from dealing with his fellow Muslim for no good reason – such as deceit or high prices or bad products – and he prefer to buys from kaafirs with no reason, that is haraam, because it implies that one is befriending the kuffaar, approving of them and liking them, and because it involves reducing the Muslims’ business and preventing them from selling their goods, if the Muslim takes that as his habit. But if there is a reason for that, such as those mentioned above, then he should advise his Muslim brother to give up these faults. If he accepts the advice, then praise be to Allaah, otherwise he should go to someone else, even if he is a kaafir, if he is honest and decent in his dealings.

                    Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/18

                    And Allaah knows best.
                    That is from a source that people on this forum will accept.

                    Now tell me, was this sister right to do this disgusting act when the brother was doing nothing wrong?

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                    • #55
                      Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                      Originally posted by MG View Post
                      Sorry but i have said this for a long time, this is the state of alot of asian businesses in the UK that i have come across. They cannot handle any negative comments i.e. complaints from customers, the word "refund" also does not exist for alot of them. It is all about profit and a total disregard for their customers, morals and any principles.

                      If that sister had been a brother, those brothers would not have squeaked.

                      On the other hand you have many non-muslim businesses begging customers to give them feedback/complain so they can improve their business and most i have come across certainly do not speak to you in that manner, go figure.
                      i agree - alot of these businesses sell pornography, cigs, alcohol to their own community and families just to make an extra buck
                      ...
                      Last edited by Grotbags; 22-08-11, 02:25 PM. Reason: post edited - off topic

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                      • #56
                        Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                        I think some1 forgot to read the most important part and only highlighted the part which he saw as supporting his own arguments

                        There is no doubt that it is prescribed to engage in jihad against the enemies of Allaah, Jews and others, with our lives and our wealth. That includes every means that will weaken their economy and cause them harm. Money is the lifeblood of wars ancient and modern.



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                        • #57
                          Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                          Originally posted by Salman Al-Farsi View Post
                          I think if there was no camera and the sister was little bit polite rather than demanding they would have taken them down.
                          The way the video starts makes me think that there was no camera in the beginning of the convo but came up after at least some talk.
                          "The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively, not by the false appearance of things present and which mislead into error, not directly by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived notions, opinion, and by prejudice." - Arthur Schopenhauer

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                          • #58
                            Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                            The fact is buying Israeli dates funds Israeli terrorism.

                            the farmers who have date trees etc are well known to be equipped and armed. they randomly shoot and kill palestinian muslims.

                            so by you purchasing israeli dates/selling them; you are indirectly supporting Israeli terrorists.
                            Last edited by MWarrior; 21-08-11, 06:56 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                              On the authority of Tamim Al-Dari that the Prophet, :saw: , said:

                              "Religion is nasihah." We said: "To whom?" The Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said: "To Allah and His Book, and His messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk." [Muslim]


                              Nasihah to the Common Folk of the Muslims

                              This includes:-

                              To observe the rights of other Muslims - fulfilling our obligations towards other Muslims. These obligations differ depending on the group of Muslims (e.g. our parents, children, relatives, neighbours, etc.) - e.g. greeting them, visiting them when they are sick, making du'a for them, giving advice if they ask for it, praying salah ul janazah for the one who dies, etc.

                              To observe the concept of wala' which means:
                              • to love every Muslim.
                              • to care for all Muslims.
                              • to help other Muslims.
                              • to defend/protect other Muslims .
                              • If you do not love, you will not care. If you do not care, you will not help. If you do not help, you will not protect.

                              The reason why so many Muslims today do not care or help others is because there is something wrong with the wala' aspect of love. We should have love for other Muslims, especially those who are suffering, so we will care and help them. The Scholars say one way to help and the least we can do is to make du'a (pray for them).

                              There is a counter concept to al-wala' which is al-bara or disassociation with (for the purpose of leading others from doing evil). However we should not do it:
                              • for our own interest.
                              • if it will not lead the other person to change his ways - we should not start with disassociation, we should start with giving advice and educating.
                              • We should show love and concern and give nasihah in the proper way. If all else fails, then we can use the concept of disassociation (if it will lead to the person changing).


                              The Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said that "he is a real Muslim if he is the one who the other Muslims are saved from his tongue and his hand" - the true Muslim is one who will not harm others verbally or physically, in any way or by any means.
                              • Having mercy for the young and showing respect to the elders - it is part of glorifying Allah that we respect the elder Muslims.
                              • Sacrificing one's time, effort, money, etc. for the betterment of the Muslim community.
                              • If we are the ones in authority, then we should act sincerely towards the rest of the Muslims and do whatever is in their best interest. We should give nasihah to the people by, e.g. doing what is best for the ummah, defending the community, putting the right and qualified people in the right position and job.
                              • Any kind of leadership or authority, whatever the level or rank, is responsible for the people being lead - e.g. supervisors, managers, teachers, principles, etc.

                              [Commentary by Dr. Jamal Ahmed Badi]
                              The above hadith doesn't just apply in the youtube video... but also how we advise each other on this forum.

                              May Allah allow us to benefit in this month - ameen

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                              • #60
                                Re: Green Street Muslim Brothers Selling Israeli Dates: Must Watch

                                Originally posted by MWarrior View Post

                                The fact is buying Israeli dates funds Israeli terrorism.

                                the farmers who have date trees etc are well known to be equipped and armed. they randomly shoot and kill palestinian muslims.

                                so by you purchasing israeli dates/selling them; you are indirectly supporting Israeli terrorists.
                                "it is not permissible for a Muslim to sell weapons or tools of war to those who are waging war against the Muslims, or anything that helps them to support their religion."
                                Secure few moments, everyday, to reflect upon the innumerable blessings of Allah and thank Him for bestowing them upon you.

                                "A person who is blessed with the ability to be grateful, shall never be deprived of barakah and increase in blessings."
                                - Rasulullah (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)‎

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