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  • Proud-2b-MUSLIM
    started a topic Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

    Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

    :salams

    I was listening to this lecture by yahya ibrahim (listen from approx. 3.20), and he mentions hadith where the Prophet :saw: gave a silk garment to Umar RA to give to his brother as it might open his heart.

    Does this mean that muslims can give things that are haraam for us to the non-muslims?
    Not to actually go out of the way to buy something haraam to give to disbelievers, but for example if i have been given chocolates as a gift containing gelatine or alcohol, or haraam meat bought by mistake, can I give this to a non-muslim neighbour/colleague? I have done this in the past, and was told that this is impermissible and I should throw the haraam item away.

    :jkk: for any input

  • .mirror.
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    Oh..that...Oh...I thought..Oh..ok.

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  • aadil77
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    Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He gave silk, but never said wear it, which is haram.
    i was referring to the op who was asking about passing on haram sweets on to non-muslims

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  • .mirror.
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    Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He gave silk, but never said wear it, which is haram.

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  • aadil77
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    Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
    It's not wrong because silk has more than one use. Umar (RA) didn't tell his brother to wear it. He could sell it and benefit from it or give it to his womenfolks.

    It's like, for example, giving a sword. You can go kill somebody and that's haram, or you can use it for self-defense.
    silk is not haram and neither is a sword

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  • .mirror.
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    Originally posted by aadil77 View Post
    Its obviously wrong, if you remember the hadith about the one who produces alcohol, sells it, distributes it etc is cursed
    It's not wrong because silk has more than one use. Umar (RA) didn't tell his brother to wear it. He could sell it and benefit from it or give it to his womenfolks.

    It's like, for example, giving a sword. You can go kill somebody and that's haram, or you can use it for self-defense.

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  • aadil77
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    Its obviously wrong, if you remember the hadith about the one who produces alcohol, sells it, distributes it etc is cursed

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  • .mirror.
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    BarakAllah Feek.

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  • Proud-2b-MUSLIM
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    :jkk: akhi for going to the effort of researching! lol

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  • .mirror.
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    Here's the hadith being mentioned:

    ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar reported that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab saw a hullah siyara’ [a type of two-piece garment] at the door of the mosque and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, why don’t you buy this and wear it on Fridays and when the delegations come to you?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “This is only worn by one who has no share in the Hereafter.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was brought a number of garments [hullahs] of the same type. He gave one of them to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) and ‘Umar said, “O Messenger of Allaah, are you giving it to me to wear it when you said what you said about the hullah of ‘Utaarid (the vendor of the first hullah)?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am not giving it to you to wear it.” So ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) gave it to a brother of his in Makkah who was a mushrik.” (Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 837).

    According to another report: “[The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:] Sell it and benefit from its price.” Al-Bukhaari, 896.


    Ok, so this basically pinpoints the confusion:

    ...‘‘Umar sent it to a brother of his among the people of Makkah, before he [the brother] became Muslim’ – this indicates that he (the brother) subsequently became Muslim… This also indicates that it is permissible to maintain family ties with kaafirs and to treat them well, and that it is permissible to give gifts to kaafirs. The permission to give silk clothes to men does not mean that they should wear them. Some may misinterpret this to mean that kaafir men are permitted to wear silk, but this is incorrect. The hadeeth describes giving a gift to a kaafir, but does not give them permission to wear silk. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent silk garments to ‘Umar, ‘Ali and Usaamah (may Allaah be pleased with them), but this does not mean that they were permitted to wear silk; he stated quite clearly that he was giving it to them so that they could benefit from it in some way other than by wearing it.

    You can read the details here of the whole hadith.
    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/3011/

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  • .mirror.
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    Oh, Lolz. I missed that.

    Ok, I'm on it.
    I got some lead.

    Be right back, researching.

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  • Proud-2b-MUSLIM
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    and the link to the lecture:

    http://www.hoor-al-ayn.com/Audios/Wo...20Unseen/3.mp3

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  • Proud-2b-MUSLIM
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    I put it in the first post! At 3.20 :)

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  • .mirror.
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    Originally posted by Proud-2b-MUSLIM View Post
    :jkk: for replies, did you listen to it? because i'm rubbish at explaining and it seems like it was after silk was forbidden. will see if hubby can find out inshaAllah
    Can you point us where it is?
    The lecture in kind of long. =|

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  • Proud-2b-MUSLIM
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    :jkk: for replies, did you listen to it? because i'm rubbish at explaining and it seems like it was after silk was forbidden. will see if hubby can find out inshaAllah

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