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  • Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

    :salams

    I was listening to this lecture by yahya ibrahim (listen from approx. 3.20), and he mentions hadith where the Prophet :saw: gave a silk garment to Umar RA to give to his brother as it might open his heart.

    Does this mean that muslims can give things that are haraam for us to the non-muslims?
    Not to actually go out of the way to buy something haraam to give to disbelievers, but for example if i have been given chocolates as a gift containing gelatine or alcohol, or haraam meat bought by mistake, can I give this to a non-muslim neighbour/colleague? I have done this in the past, and was told that this is impermissible and I should throw the haraam item away.

    :jkk: for any input
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    Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

    :wswrwb:

    As far as I know, silk is only forbidden to wear.
    Did the speaker mention for which purpose he gave the garment for?
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    • #3
      Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

      maybe this incident occured before the ruling that silk is forbidden for men was revealed.
      ask a shaikh inshaAllah :love: best to consult ulama over matters of quran and hadeeth rather than laymen.
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      • #4
        Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

        :jkk: for replies, did you listen to it? because i'm rubbish at explaining and it seems like it was after silk was forbidden. will see if hubby can find out inshaAllah
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        • #5
          Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

          Originally posted by Proud-2b-MUSLIM View Post
          :jkk: for replies, did you listen to it? because i'm rubbish at explaining and it seems like it was after silk was forbidden. will see if hubby can find out inshaAllah
          Can you point us where it is?
          The lecture in kind of long. =|
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          • #6
            Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

            I put it in the first post! At 3.20 :)
            "You are the best nation raised up for men. You enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in Allah." (Surah Al Imran 3:110)

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            • #7
              Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

              and the link to the lecture:

              http://www.hoor-al-ayn.com/Audios/Wo...20Unseen/3.mp3
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              • #8
                Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                Oh, Lolz. I missed that.

                Ok, I'm on it.
                I got some lead.

                Be right back, researching.
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                • #9
                  Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                  Here's the hadith being mentioned:

                  ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar reported that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab saw a hullah siyara’ [a type of two-piece garment] at the door of the mosque and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, why don’t you buy this and wear it on Fridays and when the delegations come to you?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “This is only worn by one who has no share in the Hereafter.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was brought a number of garments [hullahs] of the same type. He gave one of them to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) and ‘Umar said, “O Messenger of Allaah, are you giving it to me to wear it when you said what you said about the hullah of ‘Utaarid (the vendor of the first hullah)?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am not giving it to you to wear it.” So ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) gave it to a brother of his in Makkah who was a mushrik.” (Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 837).

                  According to another report: “[The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:] Sell it and benefit from its price.” Al-Bukhaari, 896.


                  Ok, so this basically pinpoints the confusion:

                  ...‘‘Umar sent it to a brother of his among the people of Makkah, before he [the brother] became Muslim’ – this indicates that he (the brother) subsequently became Muslim… This also indicates that it is permissible to maintain family ties with kaafirs and to treat them well, and that it is permissible to give gifts to kaafirs. The permission to give silk clothes to men does not mean that they should wear them. Some may misinterpret this to mean that kaafir men are permitted to wear silk, but this is incorrect. The hadeeth describes giving a gift to a kaafir, but does not give them permission to wear silk. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent silk garments to ‘Umar, ‘Ali and Usaamah (may Allaah be pleased with them), but this does not mean that they were permitted to wear silk; he stated quite clearly that he was giving it to them so that they could benefit from it in some way other than by wearing it.

                  You can read the details here of the whole hadith.
                  http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/3011/
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                    Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                    :jkk: akhi for going to the effort of researching! lol
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                    • #11
                      Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                      BarakAllah Feek.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                        Its obviously wrong, if you remember the hadith about the one who produces alcohol, sells it, distributes it etc is cursed

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                        • #13
                          Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                          Originally posted by aadil77 View Post
                          Its obviously wrong, if you remember the hadith about the one who produces alcohol, sells it, distributes it etc is cursed
                          It's not wrong because silk has more than one use. Umar (RA) didn't tell his brother to wear it. He could sell it and benefit from it or give it to his womenfolks.

                          It's like, for example, giving a sword. You can go kill somebody and that's haram, or you can use it for self-defense.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                            Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
                            It's not wrong because silk has more than one use. Umar (RA) didn't tell his brother to wear it. He could sell it and benefit from it or give it to his womenfolks.

                            It's like, for example, giving a sword. You can go kill somebody and that's haram, or you can use it for self-defense.
                            silk is not haram and neither is a sword

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                            • #15
                              Re: Giving haraam gifts to disbelievers

                              Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He gave silk, but never said wear it, which is haram.
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