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    Salaam,

    hope everyone is well

    I wanted to know whether vanilla essense that contains alcohol as an ingredient is haraam,

    if so, does this also affect vanilla ice cream, cakes etc/


    JazakAllah Khair
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  • #2
    Re: vanilla essence clarification........

    :wswrwb:

    I am of the opinion that:

    Yes and Yes. Vanilla essence and vanilla extract contains alcohol and therefore any foods that contain them also become haraam.
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    • #3
      Re: vanilla essence clarification........

      Even vanilla extract?
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      • #4
        Re: vanilla essence clarification........

        use a vanilla pod in your cooking/ baking instead :up:

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        • #5
          Re: vanilla essence clarification........

          Well Its Not Alochol Its Ethanol - Some Thing That Comes From When Flavours Are Processed

          Any Whoo

          Use Almond Oil :up: Much Nicer And It Keeps The Cake Longer And Moist ;)
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          • #6
            Re: vanilla essence clarification........

            Originally posted by Umm_Adam_ View Post
            Well Its Not Alochol Its Ethanol - Some Thing That Comes From When Flavours Are Processed

            Any Whoo

            Use Almond Oil :up: Much Nicer And It Keeps The Cake Longer And Moist ;)
            Ethanol is alcohol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol

            however the few drops to give something flavor is not going to get anyone drunk no matter how much you eat.

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            • #7
              Re: vanilla essence clarification........

              vanilla ice cream is also haraam?



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              • #8
                Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                Originally posted by Mich View Post
                Ethanol is alcohol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol

                however the few drops to give something flavor is not going to get anyone drunk no matter how much you eat.
                Doesnt matter- anything that intoxicates even in small amounts is haraam. like i said- this is something that people have formed their own opinion on hence i said "the opinion i follow.
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                • #9
                  Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                  Originally posted by Zesty View Post
                  Doesnt matter- anything that intoxicates even in small amounts is haraam. like i said- this is something that people have formed their own opinion on hence i said "the opinion i follow.
                  Actually , the principle the brother is talking about is in regards to the actual product, it goes side by side by the principle your stating. you should apply those to the final product not the ingrediants of the product. If we drink alcohol in small amounts its haram, in large its haram, ice cream in large is not intoxicating and in small is not intoxicating. Therefore its not haram if it has a small percentage of alcohol in it, so that the final product can not , in small or large amounts intoxicate, therefore things like fizzy drinks which contain 0.something alcohol are halal to drink.

                  Hope that makes sense, evidances which are used by the people of knowledge are from the principles

                  Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

                  Everything that is called water is pure and a means of purification, whether some impurity has fallen into it or not, if it is known that it has dissolved into it and disappeared. As for that in which traces of impurity are apparent, it is haraam to use it, because it comes under the heading of using something haraam. End quote.

                  Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 19/236, 237

                  He also said:

                  Allah has forbidden impure things (khabaa’ith), namely blood, dead meat, pork and so on. If any of these things fall into water etc and disappear, so there is no blood, dead meat or pork left at all, similar to the case where alcohol disappears in a liquid, then the one who drinks it is not drinking khamr. End quote.

                  Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 21/501, 502

                  i hope you can see the link and understand principles by the ruling.

                  also this q should be read for the principle used in it

                  Ruling on drinking beer
                  What is the ruling on drinking beer, noting that there are two kinds of beer – one with an alcoholic content and one with no alcoholic content? Is that regarded as an intoxicant?.

                  Praise be to Allaah.
                  It is essential to differentiate between the two kinds of beer:

                  The first is the intoxicating beer that is sold in some countries. This beer is khamr (an intoxicant) and it is haraam to sell it, buy it and drink it. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every intoxicant is khamr and every intoxicant is haraam.” Narrated by Muslim, 2003.

                  It is haraam to drink a lot or a little of it, even a single drop, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1865; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

                  The second type is beer that is not intoxicating, either because it is completely free of alcohol, or because it contains a minuscule amount of alcohol that does not reach the level of causing intoxication no matter how much a person drinks of it. The scholars have ruled that this is permissible.

                  Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

                  The beer that is on sale in our marketplaces [in Saudi Arabia] is all halaal, because it has been inspected by the officials and is completely free of alcohol. The basic principle concerning all kinds of food, drink and clothing is that they are permissible until and unless proof is established that they are haraam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “He it is Who created for you all that is on earth”
                  [al-Baqarah 2:29]

                  So if anyone says, this drink is haraam, or this food is haraam, or this garment is haraam, say to him, Bring your proof. If he brings proof then we should do whatever is indicated by the proof. If he does not bring proof, then his words are to be rejected, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “He it is Who created for you all that is on earth”
                  [al-Baqarah 2:29]

                  Everything in this world Allaah has created for us. This general meaning is confirmed by the word jamee’an (translated here as “all”). And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you” [al-An’aam 6:119]
                  So if something is haraam, there should be a clear and detailed indication that it is haraam. If there is no such proof then it is not haraam. The beer that is to be found in our markets here in the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries (Saudi Arabia) is all halaal and there is no doubt concerning that in sha Allaah.

                  We do not think that any alcoholic content in a thing makes it haraam, rather if something contains a percentage of alcohol which will make a person intoxicated if he drinks it, then it is haraam. But if the amount is miniscule and does not have any effect, then it is halaal.

                  Some people think that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam”, mean that if a small percentage of an intoxicant is mixed with a large amount of a substance that is not intoxicating, then it is haraam. This is a misunderstanding of the hadeeth. “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraam” means that if a lot of something will cause intoxication, and a little of it will not cause intoxication, then a lot or a little are both haraam, because you may drink a little that does not cause intoxication, then you may be tempted to drink more and become intoxicated. But if something is mixed with alcohol but the alcohol is a small amount and does not have any effect, then it is halaal and does not come under the ruling of this hadeeth.

                  Al-Baab al-Maftooh, 3/381-382.

                  Hope that clears the issue, and this is the opinion of the modern day Hanabila, and even some of the modern day hanafee scholars, especially if the alcohol is not from dates and grapes.

                  And if you are to remain on a strict opinion look into ketchup and sauces because they contain vinegar which is derived from wine which is fermented using machines which is forbidden by a hadeeth, so how come we all eat ketchup and sauces and use vinegar? should open up minds regarding the difference between the final product and what its derived from. I remember the up roar when I posted regarding gelatine some time a go but any how..the above should the legitimated opinion of it being halal.
                  Last edited by aBu_aGinEgp; 11-04-11, 04:48 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                    What about soya sauce....?
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                    • #11
                      Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                      Originally posted by Jenicca View Post
                      What about soya sauce....?
                      Once we learn the principles we should confidant in applying them in all situations once we have understood them.

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                      • #12
                        Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                        If you post a official question on the product with info, ill get it answered by one of the shayhks who replies for Islamqa inshaAllah within a few days.

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                        • #13
                          Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                          Originally posted by aBu_aGinEgp View Post
                          Once we learn the principles we should confidant in applying them in all situations once we have understood them.
                          I'm not confident in my ability to learn or apply fiqhi principles.

                          I'm a laywoman and am content in what the fuqahaa say. I'm not even sure why I wrote what wrote in my previous post.

                          Apologies.
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                          إِلَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ


                          "Yeh dunya daar e faani hain, Tum apna dil mat lagaon, Ganimat samaj zinadagee ki bahar, aana na hoga, yahaa baar baar......"

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                          • #14
                            Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                            Originally posted by Jenicca View Post
                            I'm not confident in my ability to learn or apply fiqhi principles.

                            I'm a laywoman and am content in what the fuqahaa say. I'm not even sure why I wrote what wrote in my previous post.

                            Apologies.
                            Ok i think this needs a clarification on exactly what i meant. I did not mean to apply principles and to make a decision or give a verdict, we are all laymen and not at that level, But rather i was talking about using the principles which we have been taught by the scholars who are off that level. Therefore, say for example, coke as a little bit of alcohol and the scholars put it under the ruling of halal as explained above, if we came to find that 7up has the same? will you wait for a shayhk to specifically talk about 7up or will you understand the ruling, and its principles are not exclusive to products but rather a principle the scholars have taught us when approaching food and drink?

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                            • #15
                              Re: vanilla essence clarification........

                              Vanilla essence doesn't contain alcohol, vanilla extract does.
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