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    Originally posted by Anjum
    I would like to quote Sister Zawjaturaafi & AbuMubarak on why it is obligatory to follow the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet:
    If I understand you correctly, every man and woman who reads the Qu'ran explicitly and follows it's teachings without referring to the life of Muhammad can not themselves understand the Qu'ran correctly ?

    My neighbor next door is a shining example of how best to follow Jesus' teachings.
    Should I not look to him as an example of how best to live a life in accordance with God's will?
    If I were to read, understand and follow the Bible, and find that his life contradicts that of the words found in the Bible, should I not also bring this to his attention?

    The example of Muhammad's life is rooted in a society of a different age. Monetary, social as well as methods of worship should become enhanced with time and understanding.

    Take for example, charging interest on a loan or the selling of goods.
    If I spent six months, building a boat, should I not see a profit from my labor or should I sell the boat for only the cost of materials, charging nothing for my labor, time and experience?
    If I were to loan a person money, should I accept only that amount which I loaned without requiring the person to also pay interest, either in money or deed?


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    • Originally posted by Owl Mirror
      .If I understand you correctly, every man and woman who reads the Qu'ran explicitly and follows it's teachings without referring to the life of Muhammad can not themselves understand the Qu'ran correctly ?

      You are correct. I would refer you to this famous article by Sheikh Nuh Keller (although it is specifically about madhabs, it defines why we should not try to extrapolate information directly from the Qur'an with the necessary understanding and knowledge):
      http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/p...R00000081.aspx

      Originally posted by Owl Mirror
      Take for example, charging interest on a loan or the selling of goods.
      Well with interest, Allah has commanded in the Qur'an that interest is forbidden (to the extent that He will wage war against those who deal in interest) so that is black and white for us.

      Peace.
      Last edited by Jam; 06-11-04, 03:46 PM.
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      • The life of Prophet Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon his noble soul, is a shining Example of the perfect human being, whose care, kindness, and compassion for others has continued to radiate as an uncomparable aura of inspiration and influence for over billions and billions all over the world, spanning a period of over one thousand five hundred years, providing his steadfast followers joy, wisdom, and a stable philosophy of life to reflect. Though his era was of a different age, his Example, or Sunnah, has found its way to the hearts of billions of people all over the globe, from the very East, to the very West.

        The Noble Quraan was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, and as the Noble Quraan clearly states that the Prophet Muhammad is an Example of the perfect human being, and perfect way of life, it is evident that, for human beings to follow a pious and good life, to overcome all his/her troubles and tribulations in the challenging examination of life, as best as possible, then human beings must follow the Example, or Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad, to achieve such a noble aspiration, and thus be enlightened. Prophet Muhammad is the Universal Prophet, for every time, age, and culture.

        If a Muslim follows and embraces the teachings of the Noble Quraan, then he/she must follow the Sunnah, or Example, of the Prophet Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon his noble soul, for that is what the Noble Quraan teaches and stresses. Prophet Muhammad's life is also extensively documented, the only man in history whose every action, word, teaching, and philosophy of life has been preserved in such a thorough and in-depth manner.

        It is this belief which permits Muslims to live their lives with wisdom, joy, and a steadfast and sincere heart, giving them the inner, and mental strength to overcome any crisis or barrier they may face.
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        • The Long and Short of Growing a Beard

          By Moulana Muhammad ibn Moulana Haroon Abassommar
          Posted: 27 Rajab 1424, 12 September 2004

          FACULTY OF SPECIALTY IN HADITH SCIENCES

          Q.) I have heard different opinions about beard. Can you elaborate its real status and importance in Islam? Is shaving the beard a minor or a major sin? Or was it just a cultural issue that no more needs any discussion as so many neo-intellectuals in Islam shave? Please elaborate. [Nasar]

          A.) In all schools of Islamic Law, it is considered wajib (mandatory) for a Muslim male to grow a beard. It is also wajib to let the beard grow a fist length. It is prohibited to cut or shave the beard. He who does so is a fasiq (sinner) and to shorten it less than a fist length is makrooh tahrimi (near haram). This is the view of the majority of scholars. (see Wujoob I'efaaul-lihyah of Shaykhul Hadith, Ml. Muhammad Zakariyyah and the footnotes of ex-grand Mufti of Saudia - Shaykh ibn Baaz). The opinions of the fours schools are as follows.

          Hanafia: Allaamah ibnul Humaam (RA) has mentioned that nobody has permitted the trimming of the beard lesser than a fist length. (Fathul Qadeer; Shaami; Fataawa Mahmoodiyyah vol.5 pgs.93, 105, 108)

          Shafi'eah: Allaamah Nawawi (RA) states, 'The correct view (according to the Shafi'ee Madhab) is to leave the beard to grow and it is makrooh to trim the beard whatsoever.' (al-Majmoo vol.1 pg.290; also see Sharh Saheeh Muslim vol.2 pg.143)

          Allaamah al-Iraaqi (RA) states in his book entitled, 'Tarhu Tathreeb' (vol.2 pg.8): '. that the best is to leave the beard totally and not to cut anything from it at all, and this is the view of Imam al-Shafi'ee and his students.'

          There are quotations from two great scholars of the Shaafi'ee Madhab that do not permit the trimming of the beard at all, not even beyond one fist.

          Malikiah: Imam Abul-Waleed al-Baji al-Maliki (RA) states: It has been narrated from Imam Malik (RA) that he permitted the slight trimming of those hair that are overgrown and are outside the general growth of the rest of the hair, and that Imam Malik (RA) was asked about a beard that had grown extremely long, he replied that it should be trimmed a bit.'

          Imaam Abul-Waalid adds, 'And it has been narrated from Abdullah ibn Umar and Abu Huraira (Radhiallaahu Anhum) that they trimmed beyond one fist.' Hence, this is what was meant by Imam Malik. (refer al-Muntaqa vol.7 pg.266)

          Imaam al-Qurtubi al-Maaliki (RA) has also mentioned something similar to this in his commentary of Sahih Muslim. (see al-Mufhim vol.1 pg.513)

          Hanbaliah: Imaam Samiri (RA) - who is an expert Hanbali faqih (jurist) - states:

          And he should not trim any bit from the beard except if he wishes to do so beyond the extent of one fist. However, it will be best if he doesn't do so.' (al-Mustaw'ib vol.1 pg.260 - see Hukm al-Lihyah fil Madhaahibil arba'ah; Abdul-Aziz al-Nu'maani pg.50)

          Another Hanbali scholar, Imam Shamsuddeen al-Maqdisi (RA) states, 'It is forbidden to shave the beard and it is not makrooh to trim what is in excess of a fist's length because this is supported by the practice of Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu,.' (Kitaabul Furoo vol.1 pg.130; Ibid)

          Similar verdicts are found in other sources of Hanbali Fiqh such as al-Mubdi of ibn Muflih, al-Insaaf of al-Maawardi; Kashful Qinaa, etc.(Hukm al-lihyah pg.50)

          It is clear from all these quotations that it is permissible to trim the beard only beyond a fist length. No one has explicitly mentioned that it is permissible to trim the beard lesser than a fist length. In fact, according to some of these quotations, it will be better not to trim the beard at all.

          Proof of Wujoob

          There are various ahadith of Rasulullah in which the keeping and lengthening of the beard have been ordered. We will just mention a few that prove the above claim.

          1) Imam Bukhari (Rahimahullaah) reports on the authority of Imam Nafi' [ra] who narrates from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, that Rasulullah said, 'Oppose the Mushrikeen (polytheists); lengthen the beards and trim the moustaches.'

          Imam Nafi' (RA) further states, 'And ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, during Hajj or Umrah used to hold on to his beard with his fist and cut off whatever was in excess of that.' (Bukhari vol.2 pg.875; Kitab-ul-Libas no.5892)

          Note: This hadith has also been narrated by Sayyiduna Abu Huraira [Radhiallaahu anhu] and he is also reported to have trimmed his beard beyond one fist.

          The verdict of the growing of the beard being wajib (obligatory) is deduced from this hadith. That is because any explicit command of Rasulullah will be regarded as wajib, if there is no apparent, clear reason/proof which states that that particular command is for istihbab (preference). This is an established fact in usool-ul-fiqh (principles of jurisprudence). Rasulullah has commanded the Ummah to lengthen the beards. Allah Ta'ala has mentioned in the noble Qur'an, 'Those who disobey his (Rasulullah - Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) should beware of a trial or painful punishment that will afflict them.' (Surah Noor 63)

          Allamah Nawawi (RA) has explained that this hadith has been reported with various wordings:

          The word, 'Waffiroo' is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari (Hadith5892). In another narration of Bukhari. The words 'Ufoo' is mentioned (Sahih Bukhari Hadith5893). The word 'Arkhoo' is mentioned in Sahih Muslim (Hadith602). The word 'Awfoo' is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari (Hadith5892) and Sahih Muslim (Hadith601). All these words imply the same meaning and that is to lengthen and to increase the growth of the beard. (Fathul Bari vol.10 pg.429, 431; Sharh al-Nawawi ala Saheeh Muslim vol.2 pg.143)

          Hafiz ibn Jareer al-Tabari (ra) has stated that some Ulama have totally disliked that one trim his beard at all, while others have permitted trimming beyond a fist length. (Fathul Bari vol.10 pg.430)

          2) When the two messengers of Kisra (Khusru - the Persian King) came to Rasulullah, they had long moustaches and shaved beards. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam turned his face away in disgust and asked them, 'Who commanded you to do this (despicable deed)?' They replied, 'Our Lord, (i.e. King)' At this, Rasulullah mentioned, 'But my Lord has commanded me to lengthen my beard and shorten my moustache.' (Tabaqaat ibn Sa'ad vol.1 pg.147; Taareekh Tabari vol.2 pg.267-266; Bidaaya wan Nihaaya)

          3) In this narration, Rasulullah has stated that to lengthen the beard is in fact the command of Allah Ta'ala Himself.

          Furthermore, the Wujoob is further emphasized by the fact that Rasulullah did practice this in his entire life. Know well that Rasulullah did not trim his beard in his life. In fact, the beard of Rasulullah was dense and almost covered his blessed chest. (Shamaail Tirmidhi Hadith8; Dalaail al-Nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.1 pg.235)

          Actions of the Sahaba [radhiallaahu anhum] The narrator (Ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, himself trimmed his beard beyond a fist's length, this implies that the wujoob of keeping a beard is up to a fist length only (this will be explained shortly).

          Furthermore, this (trimming beyond a fist length) has also been reported from Sayyiduna Abu Huraira, Radi-Allahu anhu, and other Tabi'een. (Tamheed of ibn Abdul-Barr al-Muntaqaa and Fathul Baari vol.10 pg.430). Bear in mind that Sayyiduna Abu Huraira [radhiallaahu anhu] has also narrated a hadith wherein we are commanded to lengthen the beards. (Sahih Muslim Hadith602)

          Moreover, for the benefit of your knowledge, the sayings and actions of the Sahaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum) are a Hujjah (proof). This is also an established principle in usool-ul-fiqh.

          A Misconception

          Some individuals acknowledge that it is wajib to keep a beard, but then argue that there is no mention of any specific length in the hadith. Hence, if one has a bit of hair on his face - irrespective of the length - it would be permissible, because this is also called a beard.

          They also argue that to keep a beard up to a fist's length is the act of a Sahaabi [- Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar - radhiallaahu anhu - and Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra - Radhiallaahu anhu] and it is not the command of Rasulullah. Hence, the one who chooses not to do so will not be contravening any command of Rasulullah.

          This is a result of a lack of understanding of the actual wording of the hadith. First, in the hadith we have quoted, Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] has commanded us to lengthen the beard and not just to 'keep' a beard. The difference between the two is quite clear. If one just 'keeps' a shortened beard, he will not be fulfilling the command of Rasulullah.

          Therefore, the one who intentionally keeps a trimmed beard will not be fulfilling the command of lengthening the beard. The lengthening is wajib, not just having any sort of a beard.

          Second, the hadith is general and does not specify any length of the beard. The words, 'u'ful lluhaa / waffiroo-lluhaa' in the hadith command us to lengthen the beards, which will (literally) mean, 'it is wajib to let the beard grow' up to whatever length it reaches. If we did not have the narration of Nafi' that Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, did trim his beard, then this would have been the case.

          However, the narrator himself (Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar and Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra - radhiallaahu anhuma) as well as other Tabi'een (Radhiallaahu Anhum) did trim their beards beyond one fist's length, the Ulama have deduced that this means that the wujoob (obligation) of lengthening is only up to a fist's length. Neither can we say that it is not permissible to trim it at all - resulting in the accusation of the Sahaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum) of contradicting the explicit command of Rasulullah and especially the narrator, (Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar and sayyiduna Abu Huraira - Radhiallaahu Anhuma). Nor can one claim the permissibility of trimming it to leave less than a fist's length, for there is no proof for this in the Shari'ah.

          Hence, if a person is to trim his beard beyond a fist's length it would be permissible and if he leaves shorter than a fist's length, he will be going against an act which is wajib and this is not permissible, and if he chooses not to trim it at all, this will also be permissible.

          The practice of the Sahabi [radhiallaahu anhu] here is used for 'permissibility' of cutting up to a fist's length, because - being the narrator - this is what he understood to be the intended meaning of Rasulullah. In other words, the Sahabi [radhiallaahu anhu] had understood that the command of Rasulullah of lengthening the beard only applies up to a fist's length and not more. That is why they (the Sahaba concerned - Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar and Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra radhiallaahu anhuma) used to trim what was in excess of one fist. It is not wajib to follow them in doing so. What is wajib in this situation is to let it grow, and the action of the Sahabi is used only to explain that wajib and restrict going against that.

          Severity of the Sin

          One should ponder over the narration that we have quoted concerning the two messengers of the Persian King. How Rasulullah turned his blessed face away from them in disgust. Remember these were disbelievers. Imagine if Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] turns his face away from a Muslim on the day of Qiyamat because he did not have a proper beard! Imagine the plight of that person, Allah forbid.

          Furthermore, as for the act of clean-shaving, by doing so, one is actually imitating the appearance of women. Rasulullah has cursed those males who aspire to resemble the females and vice versa. (Sahih Bukhari)

          After all, what is it that stops us from at least adopting the outer features of Rasulullah? Why is it so difficult to make our faces resemble in some way the blessed face of our beloved Nabi?

          There is an Arabic couplet that says: 'And resemble them if you cannot be identical. Verily the resemblance of the noble ones is also a form of success.'

          And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

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            Originally posted by Anjum
            Well with interest, Allah has commanded in the Qur'an that interest is forbidden (to the extent that He will wage war against those who deal in interest) so that is black and white for us.

            Peace.
            What about making a profit off the selling of goods & services ?
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            • I believe there's a percenteage limit to make profit...


              Originally posted by Owl Mirror
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              • Surah 5 Al-Maaidah Ayah 3

                3. Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytatah (the dead animals - cattle-beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and the meat of that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allh, or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., or on which Allh's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns - and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal - unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) - and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An-Nusub (stone altars).*(Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision, (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allh and sin).*This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me.*This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islm as your religion.*But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
                Last edited by ABDELWAHHAB; 11-11-04, 05:29 AM.

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                • This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me.*This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islm as your religion.
                  .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                  نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                  دولة الإسلامية باقية





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                  • The popular Maliki position on the beard is that it is a mandub (sunnah) as opposed to a wajib. The definition of beard also differs (the commandment in the hadith is ihfa al-lihyah, let the "beard" grow) and consists of that hair which is above and below the mouth, excluding the cheek and neck hairs - the def being lit the hair on the bones that hold the teeth.

                    This is why you see a number of Maliki scholars with goatees, emphasising the fact that the (valid) position is that the sideburns are not required, nor do they constitute beardness necessarily.

                    You can find details in Ibn Juzayyah's al-Qawanin al-Fiqhiyyah, wherein most of the popular positions within the school are narrated with ancillary positions.

                    This is an interesting piece on the linguistics for the word beard and it's specification. Probably been posted before, but eh, s'nice.. The actual position of the Shafi school (as opposed to the founder) can be found here if you're interested. Of course, the final bit (word of caution) should be absorbed.

                    Personally I have a goatee being a Maliki..
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                    • Re: The Beard Thread

                      Quality threads from the past :up:
                      What does 'freedom' mean?

                      Does the eagle want to swim in the sea,
                      Restricted by the sky?

                      Does the fish want to dance on the wind,
                      Not enough river to explore?

                      Yet the sky is freedom for the bird
                      but death for the fish,

                      The sea is wide for the fish
                      but will engulf the bird.

                      We ask for freedom but freedom to do what?
                      We can only express our nature as it was created.

                      The prayer mat of the earth is freedom,
                      freedom from slavery to other than the One,
                      Who offers an shoreless ocean of love to swim in
                      and a horizon that extends to the next life,
                      Yet we chose the prison and call it freedom.

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                      • Re: The Beard Thread

                        Originally posted by ze leetle elper View Post
                        Quality threads from the past :up:
                        yes it is
                        islamway
                        اللهم ارزقنا حُسن الخاتِمة

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                        • Re: The Beard Thread

                          Originally posted by Abu Jaffar View Post
                          yes it is
                          I agree

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