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    True love demands that you do everything, as your beloved would like to see it. To please Allah and His beloved Rasulullah an earnest and sincere effort must be made to carry out as much as possible of the revealed teachings, and not follow the whims, fancies and fantasies of misguided men, and misleading Shaytaan.



    May Allah grant us all the towfeeq, strength of conforming and courage to practice Islam as taught by Rasulullah and uphold his divine way. --Aameen.



    'Say (O. Muhammad) if you wish to love Allah, follow me; Allah will surely love you'. Al-Qur'an.





    What Islam says About the Beard


    From The Shari Length of the Beard by Mufti Afzal Elias, May Allah reward him abundantly, aameen.

    Transferred to the web for the benefit of all Muslims by Muhammed Desai (Islam.tc)



    This pamphlet is to emphasize the importance and the length of the beard. Many Muslims have queried regarding this point. I have also found that people prefer keeping a beard in imitation of what's in vogue rather than that prescribed by Nabi (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam). A compilation of this nature has become important because the impact of the western way of life seems to be luring unwary Muslims into such a craze that the importance of the beard itself is being doubted and scoffed at.



    To those who feel the issue is trivial to worry about, may ALLAH guide him. But to those who genuinely wish to learn and practice what is right, here are sufficient proofs from the Qur'an, Ahadeeth, and learned scholars.



    Concerning Adherence to the Sunnah in the Holy Qur'an:



    "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you." (Quran 4:59)



    "O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak)." (Quran 8:20)



    "O ye who believe! give your response to Allah and His Messenger, when He calleth you to that which will give you life; and know that Allah cometh in between a man and his heart, and that it is He to Whom ye shall (all) be gathered."(Quran 8:24)



    "Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exempler for him who hopes in Allah and the Final Day, and who remembers Allah." (Quran 33:21)



    "What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; in order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Messenger gives you, and refrain from what he prohibits you. And fear Allah: for Allah is strict in Punishment." (Quran 59:7)



    Importance of the Beard in the words of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam):



    (1) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "I have no connection with one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."

    - Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501



    (2) The teachings of Hadhrat Ammar Bin Yaasir, Abdullah Ibn Umar, Sayyidina Umar, Abu Hurairah and Jaabir (R.A.), indicate that ALL used to keep beards that were one fist length or more. Hadhrat Jaabir (R.A.) had said: "We used to grow long beards and only during Hajj and Umrah did we trim them to the required length (i.e. fist length)."



    (3) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) relates that: "He who imitates the kuffar (non-believers) and dies in that state, he will be raised up with them on the Day of Qiyamat (Judgement)."



    (4) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)."

    - Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498



    (5) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar.

    - Muslim, Hadith no. 449



    (6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."

    - Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500



    (7) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."

    - Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501



    (8) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah"

    - Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi



    (9) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) used to cut that portion (which exceeds the grip of the hand) of the beard.

    - Tirmidhi



    The Beard according to the Great Imams of Jurisprudence


    HanafiI


    Imam Muhammed (R.A.) writes in his book "Kitabul Aathaar" where he relates from Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A.) who relates from Hadhrat Haytham (R.A.) who relates from Ibn Umar (R.A.) that he (Ibn Umar) used to hold his beard in his hand and cut off which was longer. Imam Muhammed (R.A.) says that this is what we follow and this was the decision of Imam Abu Hanifa. Therefore, according to Hanafies, to shorten the beard less than a FIST LENGTH is HARAAM and on this is IJMA (concensus of opinion).



    Shafi'i


    Imam Shafi (R.A.) in his Kitabul Umm states, "To shave the beard is HARAAM." (Shari Minhaj dar Shara Fasl Aqueeqa).



    Maaliki


    Shekh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed's booklet states, "to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all Imams." It is also mention in "Tamheed" which is a commentary of "Muatta" (Sunnan Imam Malik (R.A.)) that to shave the beard is HARAAM and among males the only ones to resort to this practice (of shaving) are the HERMAPHRODITES (persons who possess both male and female features and characteristics).



    Hanbali


    The Hanbalies in the famous Al-Khanie'a Hanbali Fatawa Kitab state that "to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is HARAAM." Also in the Hanbali Mathab books "Sharahul Muntahaa" and "Sharr Manzoomatul Aadaab", it is stated "The most accepted view is that it is HARAAM (prohibited to shave the beard)."



    Also note, according to scholars of Islam: "To shave off the beard is unlawful (haraam) and one who shaves his beard is legally speaking an unrighteous fellow (FASIQ); hence, it is NOT PERMISSIBLE to appoint such a man as an Imam. To say Taraweeh behind such an Imam is MAKRUH-E-TAHRIMI (near prohibition)" (Shami Vol.1, p.523)



    The Durre-Mukhtar states: "No one has called it permissible to trim it (the beard) less than FIST-LENGTH as is being done by some westernized Muslims and hermaphrodites." (Vol. 2, p. 155). Also, "It is forbidden (haraam) for a man to cut off another's beard." (Vol. 5, p. 359).



    Conclusion


    Thus, a Muslim who shaves or shortens his beard is like a hermaphrodite, his Imamate near prohibition, his evidence is not valid, he will not have the right to vote or being voted for. Shaving and shortening the beard is the action of non-believers. Imam Ghazzali (RA) says: "Know that the key to total bliss (Saadah) lies in following the Sunnah and in emulating the life of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) in ALL that issues from him, and in ALL his doings even if it concerns the manner of his eating, rising, sleeping, and speaking. I do say thisin relation to rituals in worship ONLY because ther is no way neglecting the Sunnah reported of him in such matters - but what I say INCLUDES EVERY ASPECT of his daily life." (Kitab al Arbain Addin, Cairo 1344, p. 89). Furthermore, in the Holy Qur'an, Allah told Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) to say:



    "Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 3:31)



    The daily recitation of a band of angels of Allah is "Holy is the Being who adorned men with beards and women with braids" (Takmela e Bahr al Raiq, Vol. 3, p. 331)



    Lastly, Allah Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "And when the true believers are called to Allah and His Rasul (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) [to accept and practice the law and commands of Allah and His Rasul (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)] that he may pass judgement upon them, their ONLY reply is 'We hear and obey.' Such men shall surely prosper." (24:51)



    THE CALL IS TO GROW A FIST LENGTH BEARD, LET US HEAR AND OBEY TO PROSPER.



    The Blessed Beard... Grow it, what's so hard to understand?

    Commentary by Islam.tc


    Muslims are overcome with western influence in their lives and it's easy to forget, nay, neglect the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Little do these Muslims realize the magnitude of their actions in imitating Kufaar (see Hadith section). Hopefully the information presented herein will enlighten those. And then there are others who claim that the matters concerning beards is a "little" issue not worthy of mention nor practice. To them I say get off the denial bandwagon, you're a Muslim! Follow the Prophet (Peace be upon him) in all aspects of life, for he was the best of examples. I couldn't tell you how many times I've mistaken a Muslim brother (outside of the Masjid) for a kaafir on account of his clean-shaven, well oiled, face. How can I say "Assalaamu Alaikum Brother!" when I do not know if he is a Muslim. Yet that very brother then wonders why he was ignored! Sure, he can tell if others are Muslim on account of their beard, but what about himself? From one brother to another, I say: "Grow a beard, then, since it also promotes Brotherhood in the real world. Stand with your Brothers, be one. We know you are handsome without it (a beard), but who cares? What matters is how Allah (S.W.T.) sees you. And when you do grow a beard, don't mock the Sunnah, please grow it correctly, i.e. FIST LENGTH. That is the prescribed length and no shorter (see Hadeeth section)..." Peace.



    DEFINITION OF A BEARD: (Another version)

    Shaykh ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah preserve him) said: The definition of the beard as stated by the scholars of (Arabic) language is: the hair of the face, jawbone and lcheeks, in the sense that all the hair on the cheeks, jawbone and chin is part of the beard and removing any of it is counted as a sin, because the Messenger (peace aand blessings of Allah b e upon him) said: “Let your beards grow,” “Leave your beards alone,” “Let your beards increase.

    ,” Let your beards be full,”. This indicates that it is not permissible to remove anything from the beard. But the sin may vary in degree – shaving the beard is worse than shortening it, because it is a more obvious contradiction of the Sunnah.

    And Allah knows best.



    51:50 – Hasten ye then (at once) to Allah: I am from Him a warner to you clear and open!

    Hadith No:3
    How severe is this warning. Those with long moustaches regard themselves as members of the elite and register themselves as Muslims in official records, but Rasulullah – Peace be upon him – refuses to accept them as members of his group. Wasthila R.A. relates that Rasulullah – Peace be upon him – said: “Whoever does not cut his moustache is not of us”.



    The Hadith categorically states that the beard should be lengthened and the moustache cut. This is related both in Bukhari and Muslim. Rasulullah – Peace be upon him – has sternly commanded this to his followers.

    Wherever Rasulullah – Peace be upon him - gives a command then that act becomes compulsory ( Waajib) , and to neglect this Waajib command is totally prohibited, (Haram) . Thus it is forbidden (Haraam) to shave the beard and keep long moustaches. This is further elaborated in another Hadith in which Rasulullah –Peace be upon him - has said “ whosoever does not cut his moustache is not of our group. This has been related by Ahmad, Tirmizi and Nasa’ee.

    In Ibn Dawood it is mentioned thus: We used to allow our beards to increase in length and breadth, except during Hajj and Umrah’ (after which it used to be cut back to size)

    May Allah enable everyone to draw benefit from this and consider this effort as exclusive to Him. :
    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
    دولة الإسلامية باقية






  • #2
    I respect Islam, I respect pretty much all Muslims, but I could never be one.

    I just can't buy into the concept of Hadiths. Could someone please elaborate on their purpose and why you would need them?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Raven
      I just can't buy into the concept of Hadiths. Could someone please elaborate on their purpose and why you would need them?
      Muslims are asked to follow the example of the Prophet (pbuh). Hadiths are the sayings, actions, and approvals of the Prophet. We wouldn't be able to practice our religion without them.
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      • #4
        This might be a dumb question, but who writes them? Islamic Scholars?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raven
          This might be a dumb question, but who writes them? Islamic Scholars?
          Hadith is collected by scholars.

          Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and Imam Tirmidhi are all famous scholars who collected Hadith.
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          • #6
            Sorry to be a pain in the bum, but who wrote the Hadiths? You mentioned they were collected by the Scholars, but does that mean they wrote them?

            I'm having trouble seeing how Scholars words are automatically followed without question. Educated people are no better than me (I'm almost done with my Master's degree, so I'm quite educated myself), and I would definitely question it if a person told me what I should believe.

            I don't mean this to be offensive. It's just my personal opinion, and I'm trying to see if I'm off-base or not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Raven
              Sorry to be a pain in the bum, but who wrote the Hadiths? You mentioned they were collected by the Scholars, but does that mean they wrote them?
              The scholars went around collecting Hadith. They then, of course, wrote them down!

              I'm having trouble seeing how Scholars words are automatically followed without question. Educated people are no better than me (I'm almost done with my Master's degree, so I'm quite educated myself), and I would definitely question it if a person told me what I should believe.
              The scholars were pious people who trustworthiness would have been already established. And anyway, there's no room for foul play as a Hadith that is not in line with the teachings of the Qur'an will clearly be wrong.

              And yes, it is offensive to question the authority of scholars like Imam Bukhari. You might as well question the authority of the Prophet while you're at it!
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              • #8
                FIST LENGTH BEARD or let the beard "flow"
                If one is right then the other must be wrong.For men that can't grow a beard: God doesn't want them to be Muslim? Why did God make them unable to grow one?
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                • #9
                  Perhaps that's why I'm not a very religious person. Technically I'm Catholic, but I question some of the things within the Church. I'm not questioning Islam any differently than I'm questioning my own religion.

                  [Again just an opinion, no offense intended]
                  If a religion or person can't withstand a bit of scrutiny, how strong is it? This is a general thing that I apply to many things, including religions.

                  In my personal experiences, I make better decisions when I think about my problem and scrutinize possible solutions. This works out much better for me than just going with what I originally think is correct.

                  Cheers
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                  • #10
                    Islam can withstand all the scrutiny you throw at it. I was just warning you that it is offensive to question the authority of scholars - as you know, there are some people here who will not be very understanding of the reasons behind your questioning.

                    If you have any further questions, I recommend that you visit your nearest mosque and ask the Imam. The Imam would be able to answer your questions much better than any of us here.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MalcomBanned4?
                      If one is right then the other must be wrong.For men that can't grow a beard: God doesn't want them to be Muslim? Why did God make them unable to grow one?
                      Oh, don't be silly! Who do you always try your best to provoke us?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by baba
                        Islam can withstand all the scrutiny you throw at it. I was just warning you that it is offensive to question the authority of scholars - as you know, there are some people here who will not be very understanding of the reasons behind your questioning.

                        If you have any further questions, I recommend that you visit your nearest mosque and ask the Imam. The Imam would be able to answer your questions much better than any of us here.
                        Maybe I'll do that some time. I'm not thinking about converting or anything, but it might be a better forum for these types of questions.

                        Again, no disrespect intended. Just some honest questions. Thanks for the answers :)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Raven
                          I'm not thinking about converting or anything
                          Yeah, that's what they all say. :D
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                          • #14
                            MashaAllah bro baba, nice answers, lol I think I should respect you more from now on, lol it's true you shouldn't judge a person from his appearance (your picture):D
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by baba
                              Yeah, that's what they all say. :D
                              Honestly, I'm not thinking about converting. And even if I was considering it, I must say that what I've seen from some members on this forum would definitely make me not want to convert. The desire to kill all Jews, the desire to kill all Hindus, the acceptance of the killing of American civilians, the acceptance of murder against non-Muslims, etc. is quite common. I've learned a lot of good from some of the Muslims on the board, but I've also learned that some are quite hateful. Just like real life--you have some good Jews, some bad; some good Muslims, some bad; some good tall people, some bad.

                              Too many people justifying violence & hatred all in the name of religion. It's sad.
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