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  • energy
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    Originally posted by Excuse_me View Post
    I am referring to knowledge. Not everyone is equal in knowledge. Are you saying your knowledge is the same as the Scholars?

    Do you have any evidence that the first three generation celebrated birthdays?
    Do you have any evidence that the first three generations used the internet? No, so why are you using the internet?

    Just because something did not happen during the times of the first three generations, does not mean that we cannot do it now (like the internet usage example above). And if a scholar says that celebrating birthdays is not allowed, they are the ones who need to provide concrete, irrefutable evidence. Not me, because everything is permissable by default (unless there is a specific text to show otherwise).

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  • Excuse_me
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    Originally posted by energy View Post
    It is not about whose opinion is stronger or better.. the point is, we all have a equally capable brain to analyze and understand things, and my brain power is in no way inferior to the scholar's brain power.. That is why I will not cling on to and blindly believe anything that a scholar says.

    Me personally, I always scrutinize and/or challenge any theory given to me. As I mentioned in my previous post, I am yet to see clear evidence / instruction which specifically prohbits the celebration of birthdays. With this in mind, I have no issues with celebrating my birthday or anybody else's.
    I am referring to knowledge. Not everyone is equal in knowledge. Are you saying your knowledge is the same as the Scholars?

    Do you have any evidence that the first three generation celebrated birthdays?

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  • energy
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    Originally posted by Excuse_me View Post
    In other words, are you saying that your opinion/research is stronger than the folks who have studied this religion longer than you have?

    Please also put your definition of a Scholar and we'll try to find you evidence from a scholar that fits that criteria, insha'allah.
    It is not about whose opinion is stronger or better.. the point is, we all have a equally capable brain to analyze and understand things, and my brain power is in no way inferior to the scholar's brain power.. That is why I will not cling on to and blindly believe anything that a scholar says.

    Me personally, I always scrutinize and/or challenge any theory given to me. As I mentioned in my previous post, I am yet to see clear evidence / instruction which specifically prohbits the celebration of birthdays. With this in mind, I have no issues with celebrating my birthday or anybody else's.

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  • Wolfn
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    I think birthdays are overrated. On my birthday, I look and feel the same I did the day before, so is it really as special as everyone says it is?

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  • Excuse_me
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    Originally posted by energy View Post
    OK, my opinion on the issue:

    The prophet has never said that we cannot celebrate and be happy. The prophet has also never said that we are restricted to having fun only on the 2 festival days.

    Basically, if I want to celebrate and be happy on any given day, I can just go ahead and do it. I am not going to listen to any scholar dictate to me what to do and what not to do.
    In other words, are you saying that your opinion/research is stronger than the folks who have studied this religion longer than you have?

    Please also put your definition of a Scholar and we'll try to find you evidence from a scholar that fits that criteria, insha'allah.

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  • energy
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    Originally posted by sis_on_sunnah View Post
    assalamu alaykum

    i dont understand how anybody could want to celebrate their bday, i mean, what is there to celebrate when you are one year closer to death?

    my bday is always the saddest day of the year!
    OK, my opinion on the issue:

    The prophet has never said that we cannot celebrate and be happy. The prophet has also never said that we are restricted to having fun only on the 2 festival days.

    Basically, if I want to celebrate and be happy on any given day, I can just go ahead and do it. I am not going to listen to any scholar dictate to me what to do and what not to do.

    I am yet to see clear evidence which specifically prohbits the celebration of birthdays or anniverseries for that matter.

    Regarding the "imitation of the infidels" argument, well.. Just because some random scholar says that celebrating birthdays is an imitation, does not mean that it is actually an imitation. It is only his opinion and no scholar's opinion can be considered as an absolute reference. In my opinion, celebrating birthdays is a normal, ordinary practice. Now why would I consider some random scholar's opinion over my opinion.

    And also, when you say "scholar", how do you quantify a scholar. Just because the masses say a particular person is a scholar, does not mean that he is actually a scholar. There needs to be a concrete method to quantify a scholar.

    Looking forward to all your replies :)

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  • Excuse_me
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    Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
    its not Allawed because its a kuffar innovation.
    seriously simpe logic yet people have a hard time understanding this.

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  • uncle umar
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    its not Allawed because its a kuffar innovation. do not immitate them.

    seecondly if you want to celebrate your birthday then count your sins then spend the night begging for Allahs forgivness.

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  • i.carrim
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    Originally posted by sis_on_sunnah View Post
    assalamu alaykum

    i dont understand how anybody could want to celebrate their bday, i mean, what is there to celebrate when you are one year closer to death?

    my bday is always the saddest day of the year!
    It is also the happiest day as it draws you closer to the Creator.

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  • IbnulQayyim
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    Originally posted by sis_on_sunnah View Post
    assalamu alaykum

    i dont understand how anybody could want to celebrate their bday, i mean, what is there to celebrate when you are one year closer to death?

    my bday is always the saddest day of the year!
    yh i know!

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  • sis_on_sunnah
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    assalamu alaykum

    i dont understand how anybody could want to celebrate their bday, i mean, what is there to celebrate when you are one year closer to death?

    my bday is always the saddest day of the year!

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  • IbnulQayyim
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    Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam:

    In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
    Principally, birthdays are not something that should be celebrated or be happy about. When it is someone's birthday, one year of his/her life has decreased, and not increased. As such, what intelligence is there in celebrating and showing happiness when a year has decreased in one's life?

    Before understanding the legal ruling (hukm) with regards to birthday celebrations, it is worth remembering here that imitation of the unbelievers (Kuffar) is something that Islam strictly disapproves of.

    In a Hadith recorded by Imam Abu Dawud (Allah have Mercy on him) and others, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

    "Whosoever imitates a nation is amongst them." (Sunan Abu Dawud)

    It should be remembered here that not everything that the non-Muslims wear and do, is Haram and unlawful. Imitation, which is prohibited, is effected in one of the following two ways:

    a) One does something with the intention of imitating the Kuffar, meaning one does so because one wants to be like a particular non-believer or non-believers.

    b) Doing something that is unique and exclusive to the non-believers or it is part of their faith. This will also be considered imitation, thus Haram (unlawful). (Taqrir Tirmidhi by Shaykh Mufti Taqi Usmani)

    In light of the above, there are few situations with regards to the Shariah (legal) ruling on celebrating birthdays:

    1) If it is celebrated by imitating the Kuffar, in that all or some of the customs that are unique with the Kuffar are adopted, or acts that are unlawful in Shariah are committed, then there is no doubt in its impermissibility. The lighting of candles on a cake that number the years of one's life and then blowing on them, playing of music, singing, extravagant and lavish spending, showing off, etc are all unlawful and forbidden practices. Thus, if birthdays are celebrated by adopting the above-mentioned customs, it will not be permissible.

    2) If the above-mentioned evils are avoided, then there are two possibilities:

    a) If one celebrates birthdays with the intention of imitating the Kuffar meaning one does so because one wants to be like the Kuffar, then, as stated previously, it will be considered imitating the Kuffar, thus unlawful.

    b) If there is no intention of imitating the Kuffar (and also the above mentioned evils are avoided) then the ruling on celebrating birthdays will depend on whether it originated from the religious customs of the non-Muslims and on whether it is part of their faith or otherwise. (It can not be considered to be unique with the Kuffar, for celebrating birthdays has become a widespread phenomenon that is carried out in many different parts of the world). I am personally unaware of whether celebrating birthdays has a connection with the Christian faith or otherwise, thus I am unable to give a decisive ruling.

    However, I have mentioned the criterion of which the ruling will be based. If the origins of birthday celebrations are connected to a particular faith, then there is no doubt in its impermissibility. If, however, it has no connections with the faith of the non-Muslims, then (and Allah knows best) it seems that it would be permissible to celebrate it (provided the evils mentioned above are avoided).

    3) If one thanks Allah and shows gratitude for being blessed with one more year of his life, thus expresses happiness and joy, then there is nothing wrong with that. (See: Fatawa al-Rahimiyya (urdu), 6/320)

    And Allah Knows Best

    Muhammad ibn Adam
    Darul Iftaa
    Leicester , UK

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  • hayatto
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    :wswrwb:

    Check these:
    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1027
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503547996

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  • i.carrim
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    An individual birthday celebration is an occasion for a family get together.Any occasion to bring a family together helps to cement a bond and Islam encourages it so long as it does not have an irreligious flavour.

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  • Yunus aua
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    Walaikum salaam,

    the way i see it is that rasalallah (saw) never celebrated birthdays nor did his companions

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