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  • #16
    Re: Muslim youth gambling?

    Originally posted by dawud_uk View Post
    yes a few of the youth gamble... but can we blame them when so many of their parents play the lottery and many even own shops with lottery machines?
    This is nothing compared to the elders in the Masjid doing I'tikaaf asking brothers to check the lottery numbers for them...

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    • #17
      Re: Muslim youth gambling?

      Originally posted by MWarrior View Post
      Yep, it's a problem just like all the other problems we have in our society, ie drinking, music, fornicating, interest etc

      There are many other forms of gambling like the Lottery (again very common), spreadbetting, matched betting, poker, them fruit machines and the like etc ....all a rip off and a complete waste of money. The chances of you winning anything is very very slim but these fools can't see it. there's a very good reason why it's not allowed in Islam - just go ask a gambling addict or their family what it's done to their life.

      may Allah guide us all.
      you know what gets me..... it's people who think they "nearly won" cause they matched two symbols on a scratch card.... don't they realise that practically every scratchcard is printed with two matching symbols to make people think they "nearly won" and are "having a lucky day" so they should buy another one.... they print very few winning scratchcards, like the odds of winning a tenner on scratchcards is 1 in 100, meaning that they print 99 with two matching symbols and just 1 with three matching ten pound symbols.... and ones for winning more than a tenner are of course exponentially rarer.... they calculate the odds so they rake in ten times as much as they pay out. No-one would bet on horses if they were given odds like that.... yet they become really stupid when it comes to scratchcards, and people pay like 20 or 30 pounds a week on them, to only win the occasional tenner then spend that tenner on more scratchcards because they think they're "having a lucky day"

      see gambling isn't just haram in itself, it promotes blatant shirk in ideas about "luck" that make people keep on gambling. Just look at all the shirk in national lottery and scratchcard ads.

      This is a new phenomenon in western culture, when I was a child the gambling laws were very strict, and it was illegal to advertise gambling. Betting shops had blacked out windows and you only saw pictures of horse racing or other sports, no invitations to come inside and win lots of money.... (which is a lie of course, because they rig it so THEY always win).... these days you have ads all over the TV, the internet, billboards, advertising all kinds of gambling, not just "soft" gambling like the lottery (which is the biggest rip off ever) also for "hard" gamblling like online poker. I was raised in a non Muslim house where my family did gambling occasionally, but we were taught exactly how bookies worked, how much they made compared to how much they pay out and stuff, how the odds worked, and what were good or bad odds, and even as a non Muslim I never wanted to do the national lottery because the odds are so bad. Of course I rejected all of it as a Muslim, but honestly what you see now with all this advertising and bingo clubs and online poker and scratchcards is just so wrong.... the government uses the national lottery like an additional tax for the poor and uneducated (the ones who don't know enough maths to work out how crap the odds are) - how is that right???? it's just plain wrong and it's more examples of how western capitalist culture is going rapidly downhill.
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      • #18
        Re: Muslim youth gambling?

        Originally posted by ahaneefah View Post
        This is nothing compared to the elders in the Masjid doing I'tikaaf asking brothers to check the lottery numbers for them...
        tell the imam to give the community maths lessons...... if they won't listen to halal/haram, maybe they'll listen to hard mathematical facts.... and fear shirk in not believing in "luck"...? I hope :S
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        • #19
          Re: Muslim youth gambling?

          To add to ALL that, it really does destroy families, esp when things get to the point whereby the gambler gets so heavily addicted to the extent they start stealing from their own family members.

          Im not sure about Casinos in the Uk, or even if we have them, but in South America, its really popular with youth even with the Muslims, in some places, where its easy money for a the fast life. And its so sad, where people gamble away their own lives.

          And in places like that, its not just the gambling, in the drug cartels, prostitution, gun shootings etc etc, an huge downward spiral, which gets worse ans worse. I used to think that stuff like that used to happen in the movies, and was shocked when I learnt that things are the reality out there
          وَالْعَصْرِ

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          "If Allah (swt) only sent this Surah to us, for the guidance of Mankind, this will be enough for us” - Imam Shaafi'ee r.a.

          "Yeh dunya daar e faani hain, Tum apna dil mat lagaon, Ganimat samaj zinadagee ki bahar, aana na hoga, yahaa baar baar......"

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          • #20
            Re: Muslim youth gambling?

            Originally posted by BvB View Post
            Speaking of gambling. I was sitting with my brother and his wife talking about the lottery. They mentioned to me what would I do if I hit the lottery, I told I wouldn't dare to collect one penny of that money. They looked at me puzzled and asked why, I told them I don't want to face Allah when he ask me "how did I make my money" Umm, Gambling? I don't want that on my list of bad deeds. They wanted to laugh but they knew I was right, then they went on to say they would do this and that. I reminded them that it is haram money.

            Well my question is; Say they do win the lottery but do good with that money, charity, building mosques, helping the people know need help. (those in financial trouble) My brother mentioned to me "what if I buy a business which is in business for halal services" I couldn't give him an honest answer because I don't know the answer.
            when you have haram money, you are required in Islam to either return it (e.g. stolen money to who you stole it from) or if that's not possible, to give it all away to charity BUT you don't get any reward for giving it to charity, you just avoid the sin of spending haram money on yourself. I don't know if that's even enough to wipe out the sin that caused you to acquire the money in the first place, I think it's just ONE of the conditions of tawbah, that the money is returned (if that's possible) or given to charity. So buying a business (which will benefit him; even if the business itself is halal, he's going to make a living from it, right?) with haram money will just be adding more sin to his sin. He should just give the whole lot to Islamic relief or another Islamic charity, anonymously (to hide his sin) and say he won it gambling but can't keep it because it's haram, and he's giving it to them as tawbah, so they spend it on the needy. he won't get reward from this, but if he does it as part of sincere tawbah then if Allah wills, Allah will forgive him. Also, in giving charity, I think (my opinion, not read a fatwa about this) that the charity has to be anonymous, because there is benefit to him if people say "oh, isn't he generous?" when he's doing all these good things with money that they don't know was obtained in a haram way?

            I don't see how money from gambling can be seen as being any different from money gained from stealing or usury? (except those who profit from usury burn in the deepest depths of hellfire so that's worse than the other two)....

            anyway you need, most of all, to tell Muslims who are having this discussion, that it's all academic, because the chances of winning any serious amount of money on the lottery is MINISCULE... 14,000,000 to one.... that means (in maths teacher terms) you have a giant bag containing 14,000,000 marbles where all are black except one. Pick one marble at random without looking (it could be anywhere in the giant bag) and if it's the white one, then it's a big win, if it's a black one, you wasted your money. Keep picking marbles every week for the rest of your life and you'll never have an even chance of selecting the white marble. In your lifetime, if you play the lottery twice a week, every week from the age of 16 to the age of 75 - that's twice a week for 59 years.... twice a week is 52x2 = 104 times a year... that's 6136 marbles in a lifetime. how many marbles are there? there are 14,000,000. the marbles you selected in your entire life are just 0.04% of the total number of marbles.... that is just four hundredths of a percent, i.e. you'd have to live 400 times as long just to be able to select one percent of the marbles..... that's 5900 years.... who lives that long....? and even then you don't have an *even* chance, just a 1% chance.....

            the only reason why you see lottery winners is because millions and millions of people play it. If you have 14 million people selecting a marble each week, then most weeks one or two of that 14 million will select the white one... with those numbers of players, someone wins sooner or later... but even with those numbers there are rollover weeks (because people are selecting numbers and not actual marbles, each person who plays has the same tiny chance, the number of "marbles" in the bag doesn't go down the more people who play, the marbles are just a concrete analogy to help people to visualise just how monumentally crap the national lottery odds are......) this is of course the reason why the press love to make a big deal out of winners, like show their faces, make them seem like a real person just like you or me, so we feel we too have a chance of winning..... but it's an illusion because they don't show the millions upon millions of losers week in week out, including elderly people who spent their pension on it, or people spending money they can't afford to lose and their kids going without.... not to mention people with ridiculous gambling habits and the effect that has on their loved ones.... People can't visualise the numbers involved easily, so they believe they have a chance of winning when frankly they have more chance of being struck by lightning.

            or look at it another way, to stand an even (50% chance) of winning, you have to buy half of all number combinations. That's 7,000,000 lottery tickets which if it's still a pound a ticket is seven million pounds. that's for a 50% chance of winning, and no guarantee that you won't have to share the jackpot if someone else chose the same numbers..... even if, in a lifetime, you have a reasonable chance of a two or three figure win... well 59 years is 6163 tickets.... and 6163 pounds.. that's a very large investment for a measily two or three figure sum in return... yet people who win these 2 or 3 figure sums consider themselves "lucky"....? :scratch: they need maths lessons........

            Please pass on this maths lesson ^^^^ to anyone you know who is taken in by the national lottery, to help them realise that they are WAY better off investing their spare cash in a halal way or (if they are swayed by the fact national lottery proceed give a percentage to charity...) to give directly to charity and remember the ayat in the Qur'an that says of gambling and alcohol: "there is some good in it for people, but more bad, so avoid it!"

            and if anyone says they think they'll "get lucky" despite the astronomical odds against them winning, please remind them what "shirk" is...? all "luck" is from Allah.... why are they asking Allah to give them a jackpot and for millions of others to lose out?
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            • #21
              Re: Muslim youth gambling?

              Originally posted by IbnulQayyim View Post
              atleast u are older OP. im a youth and i get mocked all the time. how does that feel
              im a youth too- quite young
              if people mock you then its a good sign that Allah is testing you and you are on the straight path
              never ever go on the path of gambling not like sorry to say scally wags that just hang around roaming streets
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              • #22
                Re: Muslim youth gambling?

                something just rang in mind when reading the responses... is betting a form of gambling? If NO is it harram?

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                • #23
                  Re: Muslim youth gambling?

                  Of course, betting is haram. No doubt about that.
                  Secure few moments, everyday, to reflect upon the innumerable blessings of Allah and thank Him for bestowing them upon you.

                  "A person who is blessed with the ability to be grateful, shall never be deprived of barakah and increase in blessings."
                  - Rasulullah (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)‎

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                  • #24
                    Re: Muslim youth gambling?

                    Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
                    Of course, betting is haram. No doubt about that.
                    How bout betting used in sentences :p ... i bet ur response will have sarcasm



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