As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

[TheRationalMan]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

He has a knack to do this sis. Have a look at the thread "Punishment of Rape in the Bible" and the games he tried to play with the Qur'an. Ironically, he calls himself TheRationalMan.

Okay, I didn't read it fully the first time. It was bullying.

However, the OP is correct, that girl should have dismissed that. Grow some thicker skin.

The boy didn't deserve suspension; maybe a detention or something. People get their race, beliefs, gender, etc. criticized every day. My friends make these jokes all day about every race, belief, and gender. It doesn't matter, and if it did, I'd dismiss it, not send my friends home for a day.

OP is correct, and you are just too radical about the defense of some overreacting girl.

[loonietoonie]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

Okay, I didn't read it fully the first time. It was bullying.

However, the OP is correct, that girl should have dismissed that. Grow some thicker skin.

The boy didn't deserve suspension; maybe a detention or something. People get their race, beliefs, gender, etc. criticized every day.[B] My friends make these jokes all day about every race, belief, and gender. It doesn't matter, and if it did, I'd dismiss it, not send my friends home for a day. OP is correct, and you are just too radical about the defense of some overreacting girl.

Girls are girls. The boy got a legitimate warning and he did not heed and got what he deserved. I doubt the boy and the girl were "friends". Detention is not much of a deterrent. A good one day timeout should set him straight.

Love how you snuck a nice media word; radical. :) Switch it up with some "islamist fundamentalistic fanaticism". Haven't heard that in one a while.

[TheRationalMan]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

Girls are girls. The boy got a legitimate warning and he did not heed and got what he deserved. I doubt the boy and the girl were "friends". Detention is not much of a deterrent. A good one day timeout should set him straight.

Love how you snuck a nice media word; radical. :) Switch it up with some "islamist fundamentalistic fanaticism". Haven't heard that in one a while.

Wrong, she should have sucked it up. Grow some thicker skin.

[loonietoonie]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

Wrong, she should have sucked it up. Grow some thicker skin.

nah the boy shoulda kept his mouth shut instead when he was told to do so. Grow some brains.

[TheRationalMan]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

nah the boy shoulda kept his mouth shut instead when he was told to do so. Grow some brains.

No, no, the boy deserved SOME punishment the second time, obviously. It's bullying.

But the first time the girl got upset? Grow some thicker skin. The point that the OP was trying to make was that you guys need to learn to take things less seriously, and ignore things that may seem to hurt you. It's not worth it to get upset and cry about something that doesn't even matter because you're too overreactive.

[loonietoonie]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

No, no, the boy deserved SOME punishment the second time, obviously. It's bullying.

But the first time the girl got upset? Grow some thicker skin. The point that the OP was trying to make was that you guys need to learn to take things less seriously, and ignore things that may seem to hurt you. It's not worth it to get upset and cry about something that doesn't even matter because you're too overreactive.

Humans are humans and we are all different with different sensitivities. Girl was sensitive. It was cleanly brought to the boys attention. He tried to be a prick and got what he deserved. 24 hours to think about what he did and what he shouldnt do in the future is reasonable. It doesn't matter to YOU, but last time I checked you were not the girl.

[TheRationalMan]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

Humans are humans and we are all different with different sensitivities. Girl was sensitive. It was cleanly brought to the boys attention. He tried to be a prick and got what he deserved. 24 hours to think about what he did and what he shouldnt do in the future is reasonable. It doesn't matter to YOU, but last time I checked you were not the girl.

Doesn't change anything. She should learn to be less sensitive over such a small matter. The first time, at least.

The second time... yeah the boy was given a warning so he deserves punishment. But that doesn't mean the girl shouldn't have been tougher in the situation. She should have just dealt with it, personally. Should have grown some thicker skin.

And the boy didn't deserve a suspension, in my opinion.

[loonietoonie]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

Doesn't change anything. She should learn to be less sensitive over such a small matter. The first time, at least.

The second time... yeah the boy was given a warning so he deserves punishment. But that doesn't mean the girl shouldn't have been tougher in the situation. She should have just dealt with it, personally. Should have grown some thicker skin.

And the boy didn't deserve a suspension, in my opinion.

1 day suspension was proper. Detention is meaningless nowadays and by nowadays I mean, since 10 years ago.

[TheRationalMan]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

That's fine, think what you think.

[IbnulQayyim]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

wat would khulafah rashideen have said in this case?

[Wolfn]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

wat would khulafah rashideen have said in this case?

Off with his head?

[loonietoonie]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

Off with his head?

No. They wouldn't meddle with interpersonal elementary school kids issues.

[IDK]

Re: As Muslims, we really need to rethink offensive things

nah the boy shoulda kept his mouth shut instead when he was told to do so. Grow some brains.

seriously, and why should a little girl have to endure bullying, what a joker this one, I say all ignore people liek him, any nonmuslim who wants to learn about islam let them ask questions, look at his attitude in all his posts, people liek him are here to waste time and be annoying, stop entertaining them

[DZF]

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Salams,

Bismillah.

Brother Wolfn I really do thank you for brining up this thread. :jkk: It's been something I too have been putting a fair amount of thought and consideration in to - though I do differ in opinion (slightly) from what you have mentioned. As several posters have already mentioned and as well as is commonly known, a middle ground / healthy balance is what's best. Allahu alim.

Personally, i've found Islamic activism in response to the various happenings, insults, etc, very influential and inspiring. Though, OBVIOUSLY, there has been some excesses in said activism - i'd rather see and participate in something excessive than not react or respond to injustice at all. As it's often stated we have to enjoin what is good and forbid what is wrong without hesitation and without reflecting whether or not the scenario is big or small.

That, for me, has been a huge inspiration. Islam and Muslims are truly one of the few groups in society who actually speak out against insults to their faith, against the nobility of the prophets, etc. Islam and Muslims speak out against immorality, against the dunya, etc. Islam and Muslims especially speak out against injustice and though he wasn't a Muslim i'll quote Martin Luther King:

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

The idea of having "thicker skin" sounds ideal. It does. I think so too. I'd be great to have "thicker skin" but ultimately you have to consider the price tag attached to such a mindset and way of life. For some people, ignoring the insults, unethical taunts, harassment, etc, would eventually pick at their consciousness. To me, ignoring the insults, racism, sexism, harassment, islamophobia, etc, is equivalent to tolerating all of it. GK Chesterton said it best...

Despite the obvious over reactions it seems to me that many Muslims speak out against such injustices' because of our love for righteousness, integrity, honesty, morality, etc. When you insult someone's love for their faith, their prophet, etc, negative reactions are an eventuality.

That's what makes Islam revolutionary. That's what makes Muslims different from the rest of the apathetic masses. Love. Love for enjoining the good and forbidding the evil.

Despite the fact he was an atheistic communist, Che Guevara put it nicely when he said: The moment Islam itself and Muslims give up being standard bearers of all that is good, proper, and moral is the moment that we become acquaintances of shaytan. Such a passive attitude of ignoring or tolerating the hate directed towards our deen has the hallmark of shaytan stamped on it bro.

Take care.

[just passing by]

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well I dont know who "snopes" is, so it doesnt confirm anything for me. regardless, so what if we have some crazy nutjobs? every country/religion does, why is it that whenever they are muslims its blown way out of proportion

Snopes is site dedicated to highlighting urban myths....all those stories people believe to be true but are actually made up.

In this case the protest was real, but the placard "behead those who say islam is violent" was photoshopped as a joke. It did the rounds on the internet as a ****-take of the protesters.

You can actually tell from the handwriting that all the placards were the work of one person.