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    "Sarvat ." <[email protected]> wrote:
    Aslam - o - laikum

    I am a muslim sister who has an assignment in College regarding same sex marriages. I was curious and was wondering how Islam see's it and if they accept it and if they dont as well as why or why not.

    Thank you.

    Sarvat

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    Title: Muslim attitude towards the sin of homosexuality

    Question:


    Dear sir,

    How are you? I am currently researching issues related to Homosexual persecution In Asia, especially Malaysia. I hope that you could kindly help answer a few of my questions.

    1)How are homosexuals (Muslim & non-muslim) being treated in Malaysia?
    2)How severe will the punishment be?
    3)How does society perceive homosexuals?
    4)Is homosexuality legal?

    Thank you very much for your kind help.


    Answer:

    Praise be to Allaah.

    We do not have any information about homosexuality in Malaysia, but we assume that the Muslims there feel total abhorrence towards this shameful act, because their religion, Islam, emphatically forbids this deed and prescribes a severe punishment for it, in this world and the next. How could it be otherwise, when the Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done" - i.e. if it is done with consent. (This hadeeth was narrated by al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, 1376)

    The scholars of Islam, such as Maalik, al-Shaafi'i, Ahmad and Ishaaq said that (the person guilty of this crime) should be stoned, whether he is married or unmarried.

    There is no doubt that this act, which goes against the pure human nature created by Allaah, by making men content with men and women with women, destroying families, adversely affecting the birth rate, causing the spread of killer diseases, harming the innocent when children are raped, and generally spreading corruption on earth, should be uprooted and stamped out.

    Perhaps your research will lead you to find out much more about this religion with its great laws and accurate rules and the wisdom of the One Who revealed it.

    I ask Allaah to grant you help and success, for Allaah is the One Who guides to the Straight Path.



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  • #2
    Re: The Islamic Answer regarding Homosexuality

    Excellent post AbuM. :love: :)

    Originally posted by AbuMubarak
    Homosexuality is now apparent in even animals.
    What does 'freedom' mean?

    Does the eagle want to swim in the sea,
    Restricted by the sky?

    Does the fish want to dance on the wind,
    Not enough river to explore?

    Yet the sky is freedom for the bird
    but death for the fish,

    The sea is wide for the fish
    but will engulf the bird.

    We ask for freedom but freedom to do what?
    We can only express our nature as it was created.

    The prayer mat of the earth is freedom,
    freedom from slavery to other than the One,
    Who offers an shoreless ocean of love to swim in
    and a horizon that extends to the next life,
    Yet we chose the prison and call it freedom.

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    • #3
      Is Homosexuality Congenital?

      *Is Homosexuality Congenital?*

      Answered by Sr. Zaynab Ansari

      www.sunnipath.com



      Question:



      A gay man at work has asked me: If god destroyed the people of Lot for
      this sin, then why did god create me like this? He says that he was
      born like that. What does Islam say about homosexuality and what can I
      tell him. Also, the men in Pakistan who dress like women also say that
      ask god why he has created us like this.



      Answer:



      In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,



      Praise be to Allah, and may His blessings and peace shower upon our
      Beloved Messenger.



      Allah, the Exalted, has stated quite emphatically in the Qur'an that
      homosexuality is a sin. If homosexuality were something natural and
      congenital (meaning that you're born with it), then Allah would not
      have
      made it a sin and destroyed the people of Lut (peace be upon him) for
      it.



      Today, many homosexuals attempt to justify their behavior by claiming
      that they were born that way. This is really just a way to give in to
      their desires without addressing the underlying causes of their
      behavior. Your co-worker was not born this way. But, somehow in early
      childhood he was exposed to something that predisposed him toward
      homosexuality. Although no one is born homosexual, there are
      environmental factors which can predispose someone to certain types of
      behaviors.



      Even if we concede that there might be a genetic component to
      homosexuality, in the same way that some alcoholics have genes that
      predispose them to alcoholism, this doesn't mean that one has to give
      in
      to these desires. It is possible that someone might feel that they
      have
      a desire to kill someone, steal, set fire to something, or abuse
      children. Does that mean they should act on these feelings because they
      can't help it? Certainly not!



      Allah does not place on us a burden that we cannot bear. Please
      encourage your co-worker to look within himself and consider what might
      have made him this way. He was not born this way. Allah's wisdom is
      infinite. There are many reasons why He has made homosexuality
      unlawful.
      Our Creator has put us on this earth so that we may obey Him. Part of
      obeying Him is to fight desires that take us away from our or
      divinely-ordained nature (fitra). Homosexuality is one such desire that
      subverts the natural sexuality of men and women.



      As to men in Pakistan who cross dress, they have no one but themselves
      to blame for their behavior. Islam makes it quite clear that men are to
      be men and women are to be women. The Prophet, peace and blessings be
      upon him, spoke about the sinfulness of imitating members of the
      opposite sex.





      All we have to do is look to the perfect example of our Prophet to know
      what is appropriate.

      And Allah knows best.



      Zaynab Ansari


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        Ezekiel's Temple has already been built:
        Ezekiel 43:5
        2nd Chronicles 5:13
        Haggai 2:5-7 especially verse 7.


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        • #5
          Homosexuality: Vowing to Set the World Straight

          Proponents of Reparative Therapy Say They Can Help Gay Patients Become Heterosexual. Experts Call That a Prescription for Harm

          By Sandra G. Boodman
          Washington Post Staff Writer
          Tuesday, August 16, 2005; Page HE01

          Nicholas Cavnar said he tried everything he could think of in his 30-year quest to become heterosexual. He spent years in therapy, paying thousands of dollars for treatment designed to overcome his homosexuality. He faithfully attended meetings of Christian self-help groups for "strugglers." He married and fathered three children, a metamorphosis featured on the cover of a Catholic magazine.

          Yet every day, the 54-year-old Washington publishing executive recalled, he had to suppress his deepest feelings about who he really was -- emotions he thought he had left behind at 20 when, to the delight of his devout family, he abruptly renounced his openly gay life in San Francisco.

          Three years ago, Cavnar said, after soul-searching prompted by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, he decided his days of "white-knuckling it" were over. "I told my wife I couldn't not be gay anymore," recalled Cavnar. His biggest regret, he said, was the devastating impact ending their 26-year marriage had on the woman who had struggled with him.

          Cavnar's odyssey -- from gay to ex-gay to ex-ex-gay -- is inextricably linked to his long involvement in reparative therapy, a controversial form of psychotherapy aimed at making gays straight.

          While its supporters cite success stories from their clinical practices as well as a recent and much debated study showing that conversion therapy can work, the treatment is opposed by virtually every medical and mental health organization, including the American Medical Association, the U.S. Surgeon General and the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in 1973.

          Until the early 1990s the treatment, also known as reorientation therapy, was largely relegated to religious groups or to the fringes of mental health. Mainstream therapists have been taught to help patients distressed about their homosexuality work toward self-acceptance, to overcome the internalized homophobia thought to be the cause of much emotional turmoil.

          Reparative therapists reject the views held by an overwhelming majority of mental health practitioners. They regard homosexuality as a pathological preference forged in the crucible of a troubled childhood and not, as most scientists believe, an inborn orientation significantly influenced by biological factors such as genetics and exposure to hormones in the womb.

          "I don't think sexual orientation is genetically determined, but like a lot of preferences we have in life is a complicated and idiosyncratic mix of temperament and experience," said Warren Throckmorton, a supporter of reparative therapy who is an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania and former president of the American Mental Health Counselors Association. "The other reason I think change is possible is that I've worked with a lot of clients who've done it."

          In the past decade, the growing influence of religious conservatives and the national debate over gay rights, especially gay marriage, has revived interest in the therapy, significantly raising its public profile, spawning new practitioners and igniting debate about a matter that had been considered settled, supporters and critics agree.

          "Reparative therapy is the laetrile of mental health," said New York psychiatrist Jack Drescher, referring to the quack cancer cure banned in the United States in the 1970s.

          To gay rights activist Wayne R. Besen, the author of "Anything But Straight," a 2003 book that tracks the history of ex-gay groups, the therapy is "a kinder, gentler form of homophobia. The argument has shifted from 'You're harming society' to 'You're harming yourselves.' "

          The Campaign

          Web sites with names like "inqueery" and "freetobeme" have sprung up, directing confused teenagers and frantic parents to reparative counselors. Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays (PFOX), a national group headquartered in Fairfax County, has sponsored highway billboards in Rockville and Richmond that state "Ex-Gays Prove That Change Is Possible."

          PFOX, founded seven years ago to counter PFLAG -- Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays -- was active in the recent battle over sex education in Montgomery County. Central to the dispute was the way homosexuality would be taught.

          As a result of a lawsuit, PFOX has won a seat on the board that will help rewrite the health curriculum, and its officials say they plan to push for inclusion of reparative therapy.

          Reparative therapists have their own organization, the 1,000-member California-based National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), founded in 1992. Its leaders often appear at "Love Won Out" workshops that draw more than 1,000 participants and are sponsored by Focus on the Family, a group founded by conservative psychologist James Dobson, a staunch opponent of gay rights who has ties to the Bush administration.

          Mental health experts are alarmed by the resurgence of a treatment they say has been discredited.

          In the view of Drescher, chair of the APA's committee on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues, reparative therapy's ascendance resembles the resurrection of creationism, a religious belief at odds with science that has been rechristened with the more scientific-sounding name "intelligent design."

          "Many people who try this treatment tend to be desperate, very unhappy and don't know other gay people," said Drescher, who has treated about a dozen men who previously underwent conversion therapy. (Men are far more likely than women to receive the treatment.)

          "I see people who've been very hurt by this," said Drescher, who said some people do manage to temporarily change their behavior, often by becoming celibate, but not their sexual orientation. "They spend years trying to change and are told they aren't trying hard enough."

          Catherine Wulfensmith, 46, a family therapist in Monrovia, Calif., said she attempted suicide several times after reparative therapy failed to alter her attraction to women. "I bought it hook, line and sinker," she said. "If you don't change, what are you left with?"

          The 'Fix'

          Reparative therapy typically involves once- or twice-weekly psychotherapy sessions lasting a minimum of two years; it may be covered by insurance if it is listed as being for a "sexual disorder not otherwise specified." Patients are encouraged to delve into their childhood relationships, especially with the same-sex parent; to cultivate straight friends and "gender-appropriate" activities such as sports or sewing; and to avoid anything, or anyone, gay. Prayer is often recommended.

          NARTH co-founder Joseph Nicolosi, a clinical psychologist in Encino, Calif., who coined the term reparative therapy and is one of its leading practitioners, emphatically rejects the view that it is ineffective and potentially damaging. He points to a study published in 2003 by Columbia University psychiatrist Robert L. Spitzer which found that therapy seemed to work for some highly motivated patients.

          "It can only be damaging if the agenda of the therapist supersedes that of the patient," said Nicolosi, who added that it should never be forced on unwilling participants.

          Although no rigorous outcome studies have been published, Nicolosi estimates that one-third of patients treated at the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic, of which he is founding director, experience "significant improvement -- they understand their homosexuality and have some sense of control" but may still have gay sex. Another third, he said, are "cured": They don't have gay sex and the intensity and frequency of their same-sex desires is diminished, but not necessarily gone. The other third fail to change.

          Hector Roybal, a 52-year-old financial consultant in Los Angeles, spent four years in intensive treatment with Nicolosi, who considers him to be cured. Roybal concurs, but said he still sometimes struggles with sexual feelings for men, although he has remained faithful to his wife, the only woman to whom he says he feels physically attracted.

          "I saw myself as someone who had a problem with homosexuality but was meant to be straight," said Roybal, who, like Nicolosi, is a conservative Catholic. "This is about making a choice."

          Although reparative therapists sometimes differ about the causes of homosexuality, they are united in saying it is not inborn and it is never normal.

          Nicolosi maintains it is the result of a defective bond with the same-sex parent. Boys who feel rejected by their fathers develop a "defensive detachment" -- they reject them and identify with their mothers and other females. Because opposites attract, he theorizes, they are sexually drawn to men, even though what they are searching for is their lost masculinity. Once they find it, he said, their attraction to women will follow, although lifetime vigilance is required to avoid slipping.

          Even though reparative therapists say they support "free choice," they see nothing contradictory in their view that homosexuality is pathological. Nor do they regard as incongruent their refusal to work with a straight or bisexual client who thinks he or she might be gay. In their view, homosexuals are doomed to miserable, unhealthy lives.

          "We say to patients, 'Your true self is heterosexual,' " Nicolosi said. He said he tells male patients, "Look at your body: It was designed to fit a woman, not a man."

          The Study

          Robert Spitzer sounds weary when discussing the study published two years ago in the Archives of Sexual Behavior that earned him the enmity of many of his colleagues and the admiration of reparative therapists.

          Spitzer's study has special resonance: In 1973 he was the driving force behind the removal of homosexuality from psychiatry's diagnostic manual.

          Thirty years later, he said, he decided to test the widespread hypothesis that reparative therapy never worked. "I like to challenge conventional notions," he explained.

          Despite the active cooperation of NARTH and ex-gay religious groups, Spitzer said it took him more than 16 months to recruit 200 people who had undergone treatment. He conducted 45-minute telephone interviews and found that 66 percent of 143 men and 44 percent of 57 women, all of whom Spitzer described as "highly motivated" and almost all of whom were "extraordinarily religious," had achieved "good heterosexual function" lasting at least five years. They were in a committed relationship, had satisfying heterosexual sex at least monthly and said they were rarely or never bothered by homosexual feelings.

          In an accompanying commentary, former APA president Lawrence Hartmann, a professor at Harvard Medical School, called Spitzer's study "too flawed to publish." Hartmann noted the study was retrospective, that it lacked controls or independent measurements, and was based entirely on self-reports by people who were motivated to say they had changed because of their affiliation with ex-gay or anti-gay groups.

          While Nicolosi and others frequently cite the study as proof reparative therapy works, Spitzer said his results have been misrepresented. "It bothers me to be their knight in shining armor because on every social issue I totally disagree with the Christian right," he said.

          "What they don't mention is that change is pretty rare," he added, noting that the subjects of his study were not representative of the general population because they were considerably more religious.

          And Spitzer calls "totally absurd" the twin hypotheses that everyone is born straight and that homosexuality is a choice.

          Drescher agrees. "There are probably a small number of people with some flexibility in their sexual identity who can change," he said. "Out of the hundreds of gay men I've treated, I've had one."

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          • #6
            salam alaikum bro:

            it is a very interesting article but u know something i thing therapists need to try to acknowledge the effect of media and society. when the media is crying allover for gay and lesbian rights and how it is an inborn trait, homsexuals take the easy way out and accept themseleves the way they are and even get stubborn to change it.
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            • #7
              Homosexuality in a Changing World: Are We Being Misinformed?

              salam alaikum:

              this article is extremely good it completely analyzes as well as incriminates all the methods used to bring scientific proofs of the origin of homesesuality. an excellent reading. dont miss it.

              Homosexuality-Related Research
              Much research has been done over the years to discover the scientific origins of homosexuality. Mostly it has been to disprove the fact that homosexuality is a matter of choice. None of the research done up to this date, however, is conclusive. Only varying theories exist according to the results of such research.
              Research available on the topic of homosexuality can be divided into three categories:
              1. Anatomical differences
              2. Genetic investigations
              3. Biological causes
              1. Anatomical differences


              Another neuroanatomical difference between homo and heterosexual men was reported in 1992 by University of California at Los Angelos investigators Laura S. Allen, a research scientist, and Roger Gorski, a professor of neurobiology (L.S. Allen, R. Gorski, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 89:7199-202).
              The anterior commissure, a relatively small bundle of axons connecting the two brain hemispheres, which is larger in women than in men, was found to be also larger in gay men than it is in heterosexual men. In a related study, Dick F. Swaab and coworkers at the Netherlands Institute for Brain Research reported that a hypothalamic structure, known as the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, is larger in men than in women, and also larger in men than in male-to-female trans-sexuals. (J.N. Zhou et al., Nature, 378:68-70, 1995).

              Scientific American (May 1994): 50-5)
              Byne gives as an example the fact that many people with AIDS suffer testicular atrophy before death, and since gonadal hormones are known to regulate the size of several hypothalamic nuclei in animals, disease effects can not be excluded.

              Sexual Experience May Affect Brain Structure," Berkeleyan campus newspaper [University of California at Berkeley], 19 November 1997).
              The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science. In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy. A. Dean Byrd, Ph.D.; Shirley E. Cox, Ph.D.; Jeffrey W. Robinson, Ph.D., Salt Lake City Tribune: May 27th, 2001).
              2. Genetic Investigations
              Twin Studies
              Archives of General Psychiatry, 48:1089-1096, 1991).
              Among lesbian women, 48% of their identical twins, 16% of their fraternal twins of the same sex, and only 6% of their adopted sisters were also lesbian (J.M. Bailey et al., Archives of General Psychiatry, 50:217-223, 1993). Aside from these twin studies, there have been few, if any, firm results showing neuroanatomical or genetic correlates for female homosexuality.
              The findings of the male twin study appear to support the argument for biology, since identical twins share the same genes. However, the rate of non-twin conformity should mirror that of fraternal twins. In the Bailey and Pillard study, the rate was only 9.2%. And the rate in adopted - which, if the biological hypothesis were true, should have been even lower than non-twin brothers - was actually higher (11%). (J.M. Bailey, R.C. Pillard, "A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation," Archives of General Psychiatry 48 [1991]: 1089-96).


              Bailey conducted another study, published in the March 2000 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, that revealed that the genetic influence on homosexuality he supposedly found earlier may actually be less. He sent a questionnaire to the entire Australian Twin Registry. Only three pairs of identical male twins were both homosexuals out of a total of 27 male identical twin pairs in which at least one was homosexual. Of the 16 fraternal male twins, in none of the pairs were both homosexuals. Bailey found similar results for lesbians.
              Bailey says that his data in men lead to an estimate that the overall heritability of sexual orientation ranges from 25-75%, depending on a number of assumptions.
              http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html).
              N.E. Whitehead, Ph.D. of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality(

              For perspective, it is valuable to compare genetic contributions to homosexuality with the question - is a girl genetically compelled to become pregnant at 15? Her genes might give her physical characteristics that make her attractive to boys - but whether she gets pregnant will depend greatly on whether her community is Amish or urban, conservative or liberal, whether they use contraceptives, and whether the parents are away for the evening.
              So the influence of the genes is very indirect. We can see this by thinking further - if she was in solitary confinement all her life, would her genes make her become pregnant? Of course not! Some influence from the environment (in this case a boy) is essential! The effects of genes on behaviors are very indirect because genes make proteins, not preferences.

              http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html)
              Another, quite obvious, example of what Dr. Whitehead is saying is that of alcoholism. It has been demonstrated that there may be a genetic predisposition towards the condition. If a person does not drink alcohol, however, he will not possibly become an alcoholic.
              Science, 261:321-7, 1993). Hamer later replicated this finding in a new set of families (S. Hu et al., Nature genetics, 11:248, 1995).

              In 1999, on the other hand, Drs. George Rice, Neil Risch and George Ebers published their findings in Science
              Ebers explains:


              There may be an excess of all kinds of things on the maternal side because mothers know more about their family history than fathers. Something of a personal nature like this is perhaps even more likely to be something that you would [learn] from the maternal side.
              (http://www.neurolinguistic.com/proxima/articoli/art-41.htm)
              Rice concluded in the Rice et al study:
              et al, we certainly had adequate power to detect a genetic effect as large as reported in that study. Nonetheless, our data do not support the presence of a gene of large effect influencing sexual orientation at position Xq28. (http://www.narth.com/docs/innate.html)

              http://www.neurolinguistic.com/proxima/articoli/art-41.htm)
              Hamer himself offered some conclusions regarding genetics and homosexuality:
              http://www.narth.com/docs/innate.html)
              Citing the failure of his research, Hamer further writes:
              The pedigree failed to produce what we originally hoped to find: simple Mendelian inheritance. In fact, we never found a single family in which homosexuality was distributed in the obvious pattern that Mendel observed in his pea plants. (http://www.narth.com/docs/innate.html)
              Chicago Tribune Science paper. Crewdson reported that an investigation had been launched by the Office of Research Integrity (ORI) of the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
              An article on genes and behavior in Science magazine said:
              Science 264; 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689)
              • There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic-and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.
              3. Biological Causes
              Journal of Sex Research, 25[1]: 152-7, 1988). Another study published in Behavioral Neuroscience suggests that, compared with heterosexual men, gay men show a leftward asymmetry in the number of fingerprint ridges on their thumbs and little fingers (J.A.Y. Hall, D. Kimura, Behavioral Neuroscience, 108[6]: 1203-6, 1994).

              Developmental Psychology, 31[1]: 43-55, 1995).

              The McFadden study found the level of these waveforms in the ears of self-acknowledged lesbian women ranged between those of men and those of heterosexual women. The researchers concluded that this evidence suggests that female homosexuality could be a result of increased exposure to the male hormone androgen in the womb (homosexual men did not show the same variation).

              In March 2000, yet another study on a biological link to homosexuality surfaced. Scientists reported that finger length indicated how much exposure a person had had to androgen while in the womb (Williams, T.J., Pepitone, M.E., Christensen, S.E., Cooke, B.M., Huberman, A.D., Breedlove, N.J., Breedlove, T. J., Jordan, C.L. & Breedlove, S.M. (2000): Nature 404, 455-456).

              Niel Whitehead, Ph.D. of NARTH comments on this study by saying:
              Williams et al. reported that the mean finger-length ratio for lesbians was significantly less than that for heterosexual women, and did this by comparing the two ratios by a statistical test. They used a large number of interviewees. In such circumstances, although the mean finger lengths may be statistically different, they are often so close that it is not practically useful to say they are different. That is what has happened in the present case.
              The original normal distributions can be reconstructed from the researchers' data, and the results are shown in the figure below. (With its two large overlapping curves, this figure assumes that we are comparing an equal number of heterosexual women and lesbians).
              There is obviously a very large overlap in the two populations (heterosexual women and lesbians), and although the two means may be statistically different, the difference is only 1% - which is a small effect, and not diagnostically useful in any sense.
              Within the figure is also given the expected distribution of finger lengths for lesbians, assuming a United States nation-wide prevalence of 1.7% (which includes bisexual lesbians). For any finger-length ratio chosen, the lesbians in the population at large are outnumbered by their heterosexual counterparts by approximately 60:1.
              The figure shows that there are large numbers of heterosexual women who have much more "masculine" finger-length ratios than most lesbians, but this is not considered by the researchers to be related to their sexual orientation.
              Williams et al. invoke the idea of very high prenatal androgen levels (for which there is very scant evidence) to explain the difference in mean finger lengths which they find. But if this is indeed an explanation, it must rarely affect sexual orientation. An explanation which involved considerably less biological extrapolation would be preferable. For example, does a slightly more masculine pattern for a hand influence the self-image of a developing girl?
              This study is rather similar to many other reported links between homosexuality and some biologically based phenomena. Although statistical connections may be shown, only a small percentage of subjects with that biological feature actually end up homosexual. (http://www.narth.com/docs/newstudy2.html)
              Archives of General Psychiatry 50, no. 3.)
              Are homosexual attractions innate? There is no support in the scientific research for the conclusion that homosexuality is biologically determined (A. Dean Byrd, Ph.D. http://www.narth.com/docs/innate.html).
              Sociologist Steven Goldberg, Ph.D. states:
              Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative
              need When Wish Replaces Thought; Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1994)
              Simon LeVay writes:
              At this point, the most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factorsQueer Science, MIT Press, p. 273).
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              • #8
                Homosexuality in Religion

                Be all blessed in the Name of Allah,

                in 1996 I was in Florida and wore swimming trunks instead of bermuda shorts at the beach, like I did when we went on vacation in Spain or Italy. The people called me gay and it hurted me very much, since I am a sensitive person. This is just another curse of Allah on the Americans.

                The law of Moses condemned homosexuality, and the apostle Paul repeated it, but Paul was a false apostle. I wanted to find a clear answer. Since God made a knew covenant and had written the law in our hearts (see Jeremiah), I only had to listen to my heart. God calls me David, which means beloved. Therefore the beloved of the Lord says: "It is my wish that you have children, that you experience the miracle of love. Nevertheless God is love, and love does not know any shame. When you find True Love, even if it is of the same gender, I will bless your love. The wedding ring is the symbol for True Love".

                David
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                  Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                  If the law of moses, jesue and mohammed (pbuh on all) have condemned homosexuality - they its wrong pure n simple - God is love - but God does have rules and we should under no circumstances break God's Rules.
                  Saying of Mohammed (pbuh)
                  "Reviling a Muslim is disobedience to Allah, & fighting with him is infidelity".

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                    Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                    Originally posted by Refugee
                    If the law of moses, jesue and mohammed (pbuh on all) have condemned homosexuality - they its wrong pure n simple - God is love - but God does have rules and we should under no circumstances break God's Rules.
                    OK, if person A falls totally in love with person B (of the same gender) but the relationship is celibate, is that OK?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                      Originally posted by jack.taylor
                      OK, if person A falls totally in love with person B (of the same gender) but the relationship is celibate, is that OK?
                      no that doesn't mean its ok.. the whole point is that love between genders should not evolve
                      May Allah (SAW) help all muslims worldwide and save us from ourselves because we have no chance in the world.

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                        Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                        Originally posted by King David
                        Be all blessed in the Name of Allah,

                        in 1996 I was in Florida and wore swimming trunks instead of bermuda shorts at the beach, like I did when we went on vacation in Spain or Italy. The people called me gay and it hurted me very much, since I am a sensitive person. This is just another curse of Allah on the Americans.

                        The law of Moses condemned homosexuality, and the apostle Paul repeated it, but Paul was a false apostle. I wanted to find a clear answer. Since God made a knew covenant and had written the law in our hearts (see Jeremiah), I only had to listen to my heart. God calls me David, which means beloved. Therefore the beloved of the Lord says: "It is my wish that you have children, that you experience the miracle of love. Nevertheless God is love, and love does not know any shame. When you find True Love, even if it is of the same gender, I will bless your love. The wedding ring is the symbol for True Love".

                        David
                        The Seal of the King is the Spirit of Truth
                        Man, thats a lot to discover from a pair of speedo's
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                          Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                          Originally posted by sonic
                          no that doesn't mean its ok.. the whole point is that love between genders should not evolve
                          But if it is celibate, it clearly is not evolving. Perhaps you could be so kind as the provide me with sura or hadeeth which condemns such celibate love?
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                            Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                            Originally posted by jack.taylor
                            But if it is celibate, it clearly is not evolving. Perhaps you could be so kind as the provide me with sura or hadeeth which condemns such celibate love?
                            The point is whether it's celibate or not - it is still with intention. Allah judges us as per our intentions not only actions whether good or bad,
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                              Re: Homosexuality in Religion

                              Originally posted by jack.taylor
                              OK, if person A falls totally in love with person B (of the same gender) but the relationship is celibate, is that OK?
                              if this is the love as in the love that a woman and man have for each other, then never would they be able to keep the relationship celibate as shaitaan wil allways be there, tempting the unnatural feelings they are harbouring for each other.
                              The Prophet SAW said, "(There are2words which R dear 2 the most gracious (Allah SWT)&very easy4the tongue2say but very heavy in the balance.They are:Subhan Allahi Wa Bihamdihi - Subhan Allahil-Azim

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