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  • #16
    Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

    so having a beard is fulfilling his gender role! so men who cant grow beard at all, what is he?? is he not fulfilling his gender role? according to the thread it is stating that the women is good for nothing if you should ever get past the beard part. the prophet saw did not instruct a man to wear a beard, if he saw did then it would mean its a fard.
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    • #17
      Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

      if a man cannot grow a beard then that is whats called an exception.

      and there are exceptions to every rule.

      if the sand is so hot that it will burn your feet then you can make salah with your shoes on. this is also another exception. but its not the rule.

      thus, the beard is the rule, not the exception.
      And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Gracious (Allâh) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness. (25:63)

      O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment? (10) That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW),and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (11) (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Adn (Edn) Paradise; that is indeed the great success. (12)

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      • #18
        Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

        the thread title is funny lol

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        • #19
          Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

          Originally posted by mgk81 View Post
          so having a beard is fulfilling his gender role! so men who cant grow beard at all, what is he?? is he not fulfilling his gender role? according to the thread it is stating that the women is good for nothing if you should ever get past the beard part. the prophet saw did not instruct a man to wear a beard, if he saw did then it would mean its a fard.
          He did instruct men to keep the beard and it is wajib

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          • #20
            Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

            having a beard has nothing to do with gender role, more so of the type of muslim you are. there are muslims with beards yet they do all kinda wrong. islam/piety/knowledge has nothing to do with a beard.
            anyways i replied to this due to how one can post something, making accusations/insinuations of muslims without beards, on the basis that who ever cuts his beards is a sinner.

            just a note as well as much as you find wife beaters, cheaters etc etc amongst men who shave, those who grow beard are of the same breed, only they hide behind the beard. which shows that piety/obedience/character is not in the beard but in the individual. Allah does not judge by what you look like, but Allah judges on piety. if im wrong bring the evidence.
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            • #21
              Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

              The Beard

              It obligatory for a man to have a beard, he must not shave it. Shaving the beard is haraam because of the saheeh ahaadeeth that clearly state this, and because of the general application of texts that forbid resembling the kuffaar. One of these reports is the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar who said that,

              "the Messenger of Allah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

              " Be different from the mushrikeen let your beards grow and trim your moustaches." According to another report: " Trim your moustaches and let your beards grow."


              There are other hadeeth which convey the same meaning, which is to leave the beard as it is and let it grow long, without shaving, plucking or cutting any part of it. Ibn Hazm reported that there was scholarly consensus that it is an obligation (fard) to trim the moustache and let the beard grow.

              He quoted a number of ahaadeeth as evidence, including the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted above, and the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Arqam in which the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

              "Whoever does not remove any of his moustache is not one of us." (Classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).

              Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "The Qur'aan, Sunnah and ijmaa' (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside.

              Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said

              "He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians."

              According to another narration he said, "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Reported by Imaam Ahmad)

              'Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn 'Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: "It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate" i.e., those who imitate women.


              "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard"
              (reported by Muslim from Jaabir).

              It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the meaning of the texts which forbid doing so.

              The beard (Arabic: liyah) is defined as the hair which grows on the cheeks and the jaws. It includes the hair of the temples, the growth underneath the lower lip, the hair of the chin, and the hair that grows on the lower side of the jaws.
              Growing the beard is wajib (an obligation) and not optional, it is for all males who are capable of doing so. This has ample evidence in the Sunnah (as will be shown below) and is the unanimous opinion of the ulamaa of Islam. One should not be misled by a few contemporary shaykhs, and by their providing shaky fatwas to support their action. By doing that they make people follow them into the wrong way.

              The Prophet Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam said,

              "Allah does not pull the knowledge abruptly from the hearts of people, but he takes away the knowledge by taking [the lives of] the `ulamaa (true scholars). When no `ulamaa are left, people will take ignorant persons for leaders. They will give them fatwa (religious verdicts)without knowledge. By doing this, they will go astray and lead others astray as well.
              ( sahih Al-Bukhari )

              when the Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

              "He who revives a good sunnah (the way of Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam) will be rewarded for it, in addition to receiving rewards equal to the rewards of those who follow him into it. Whereas he who starts a biddah (an innovation ) will be burdened with it, in addition to receiving burdens equal to the burdens of those who follow him into it.
              ( sahih Muslim )


              Shaving the beard results in a series of Islamic violations, as is obvious from Allah's Book and His Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam, Sunnah. The following is a list just a few of such violations.

              The first is disobedience to Allah. Shaving the beard is a disobedience to Allah as this next hadith clearly shows. Allah has commanded the muslim men to wear their beards.

              "The ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisraa, sent two envoys to the Messenger to summon him. When they came into his presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and grew their moustaches. He hated to look at them (because of their odd appearance) and he said: Woe be to you ! who told you to do so? They replied: " Our lord " (Referring to the emperor Kisraa.) The Messenger then said, "My Lord, Allah may He be exalted and glorified, has commanded me to leave alone my beard and to trim my moustache." Recorded by Ibn Jar ra-abar. (Hasan, al-Albani.)

              Shaving the beard is also disobedience to the Messenger,salallahu alleyhi wa salam. In many hadiths, the Messenger,salallahu alleyhi wa salam,commanded men to leave alone their beards. These hadiths and ayats also show the obligation of obeying the messanger in regards to a command.

              “Trim the moustache and save the beard.
              (sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

              Obeying the Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam, in that, is equivalent to obeying Allah who said

              “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah.” (An Nisaa 4:80)

              “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”


              al-Ahzaab 33:36

              shaving the beard is also a deviation from the Appearance and Guidance of the Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam.

              "The Messenger used to have a large beard. " ( sahih Muslim )

              One should strive to imitate Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam in his practices, as Allah said;

              In the Messenger of Allah is a good example for you to follow. ( Al-Ahzab 33:21)

              And the Messenger said, Verily, the best guidance is Muhammad's guidance."
              ( sahih Muslim )

              Shaving the beard is a deviation from the way of believers. All of the prophets alleyhi salam , the sahabah (Prophet's companions), the great `ulemaa, and the righteous early Muslims of this Ummah (Nation) grew their beards. There is no report of a single one of them ever shaving his beard. This is their way.The way of the muslim men.

              Allah says in the Quran,

              "Whoever disobeys the Messenger after guidance has been clarified to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We shall give to him what he deserves and broil him in hell, which is the worst abode."
              ( An-Nisaa 4:115 )

              Shaving the beard is an imitation of the disbelievers. This has been emphasized in several hadiths of the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam. For example:

              "Cut the moustaches and grow your beards. Be different from the Magians"
              (followers of a religion that dominated in Persia.)
              ( sahih Muslim )

              The Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said,

              " Cut your moustaches and leave your beards alone! Be different from the people of the scripture." ( sahih Muslim )

              and he salallahu alleyhi wa salam also said,

              " Be different from the Mushrikin (those who worship other than Allah, trim your moustaches and save your beards!" (sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

              We have been commanded to be different and distinct from the disbelievers, as in surah al-Fatihah. In addition, Allah said,

              “Follow not the whims of those who have no knowledge
              (of Islam). (Al-Jathiyah 45:18)

              And His Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

              “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”
              (Abu Dawud, classed as sahih by Albani)

              Changing the creation of Allah is a serious matter as we see in the following hadith,

              "The Messenger declared that the women who change what Allah has created (such as plucking the eyebrows or filing their teeth or tattooing their bodies) seeking by that to improve their appearance, are cursed by Allah"
              (sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim) ( In this hadith women are specifically mentioned but the curse applies both to men and women who change the creation of Allah...)



              The beard is a major distinction between men and women. Shaving it removes this distinction, and is thus a means of imitating women. The Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

              "Allah curses those men who imitate the women, and He curses those women who imitate the men
              . ( sahih Al-Bukhari )

              Shaving the Beard also Contradicts the Pure Fitrah (Nature) Allah's Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam mentioned ten qualities as indicative of a good, clean nature of a Muslim. Two of these qualities are to trim the moustaches and to grow the beard. The Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam also tells us that,

              "every child is born with a clean, pure fitrah, which later may get deformed by the influence of the environment and the up-bringing."
              (sahih Al- Bukhari and Muslim )

              In the footsteps of the disbelievers, many Muslims' fitrah is now, unfortunately, so much deformed that they seem to find a clean-shaven man more handsome and masculine than one with a beard - exactly the opposite of what the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam declared in the above hadiths.

              This fitrah never changes with time: Allah said,

              "The pure nature according to which Allah has created people. There is no change in Allah's creation.”
              Ar-Ruum 30:30 )

              For shaving their beards, some men give the strange excuse that their wives prefer them without one! As if their purpose in this life is to follow the deformed inclinations of their wives instead of the clear-cut commands of Allah and His Messenger!

              Others claim that growing their beard results in irritability and scratching. This cannot result from abiding by the pure fitrah, but would result (if true) from neglect of the proper cleaning, washing, ghusl and wudu as instructed in the Sunnah.

              ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked (shaved) his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women.

              All the `ulamaa of al sunnah wa jam`aa, including the Four Imams, agreed that shaving the beard is haram ( forbidden ). They considered shaving it an impermissible mutilation, as has been reported about Umar bin Abdil-Aziz. They used to consider the person who shaved his beard effeminate.The ulema would not accept the witness of the one who shaved his beard, nor would they allow him to lead the salat. (prayers)


              Letting the beard grow is an obligation (fard); it does not come under the category of sunnah Mu`akkadah, optional or mustahaab Sunnah as defined by the fuqahaa’.The is because the hadiths about the beard are in the specific form of an order and we must obey the messenger salallahu allayhi wa salam,his orders must be obeyed as the order of Allah suibhanna wa ta ala must be obeyed. And Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam informs us that Allah subhanna wa ta ala has ordered, indeed commamnded that the beard be left alone.

              "The ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisraa, sent two envoys to the Messenger to summon him. When they came into his presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and grew their moustaches. He hated to look at them (because of their odd appearance) and he said: Woe be to you ! who told you to do so? They replied: " Our lord " (Referring to the emperor Kisraa.) The Messenger then said, "My Lord, Allah may He be exalted and glorified, has commanded me to leave alone my beard and to trim my moustache." Recorded by Ibn Jar ra-abar. (Hasan, al-Albani.)

              To say the beard is only sunnah, and not obligatory, one has to show some sort of sahih proof (ie: hadith)that the prophet salalahu alleyhi wa salam shaved his beard off, or cut it, or that he allowed his companions to do this,this is the denfinition of a non obligatory sunnah action.

              There is no such evidence,there is only the evidence in the contrary that the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam ordered the Muslim man to leave his beard and therefore the hukum of this sunnah order, is an order of actions and is something that is obligatory,fard, and none of the ulema the ta`baeen or the companions were in disagreement about this.

              Whoever shaves his beard is imitating the Majoos (Zoroastrians), going against the Fitrah (natural disposition of man), changing the creation of Allah,immitating women and disobeying the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam who said " leave your beard! "

              The one who neglects an act that is an obligatory Sunnah will be punished.

              Allah subhanna wa ta ala says in the Quran ,

              “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

              al-Ahzaab 33:36

              Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim reported with a saheeh isnaad from al-Miqdaam that the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said

              “Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, ‘Between us and you is the Book of Allah,(the Quran) and what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haram, we take as haram.’

              then he salallahu alleyhi wa salam said

              "But listen! take heed ! Whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allah forbids!"


              (Al-Fath al-Kabeer, 3/438. Al-Tirmidhi also reported it with different wording, and said that it is hasan saheeh. Sunan al-Tirmidhi bi Sharh Ibn al-‘Arabi, al-Saawi edn., 10/132).

              Obeying the commands of the messanger,salallahu alleyhi wa salam is equal to obeying Allah subhanna wa ta ala,

              The Prophet Salallahu alleyhi wa salam said, "All of my Ummah Will Enter Jannah Except Those Who Refuse"

              The Companions Asked "But Who Would Refuse!"

              He, Salallahu alleyhi wa salam Replied "Whoever Obeys Me Will Enter Paradise and Whoever Disobeys Me Has Refused to Enter Paradise"
              Sahih Al Bukhari

              The scholars also use the word “Sunnah” in contrast to bid’ah (reprehensible innovation) and say “Ahl al-Sunnah” (those who adhere to the Sunnah) to distinguish them from the followers of misguided kaafir sects such as the Jahamiyyah, or innovators who are not kaafirs, such as the Ash’aris and others. The obligatory Sunnah in this sense has to be followed. Following the way of Ahl al-Sunnah is obligatory, and whoever departs from their way is doomed.

              Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: the Sunnah is like the ship of Nooh: whoever boards it will be saved and whoever stays behind will be drowned.

              Nay! O Muhammad - by your Rabb - they will never be true believers until they accept you as a judge in their disputes, then they do not find any resentment in their hearts against your verdicts and accept them with complete submission. (4:65)


              Obeying the obligatory commands and orders of Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam fron the sahih sunnah, is as obligatory as obeying Allah subhanna wa ta ala

              Narrated Aisha, The Rasulullah Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam said:

              “Ten things are part of the fitrah: cutting the moustache, letting the beard grow, cleaning the teeth with a siwaak, rinsing the nose with water, cutting one’s nails, washing between the finger-joints, plucking the armpit hairs, shaving the pubic hair and cleaning one’s private parts with water.”


              (Reported by Imaan Ahmad, Muslim and the four authors of Sunan)
              Sahih Al-Bukhari 9:651
              "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

              The Prophet :saw: said:

              "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

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              Narrated 'Abdullah:

              The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


              "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

              By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

              [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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              • #22
                Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

                Imam Shafi (Rahimahullah) in his Kitabul Umm states, "To shave the beard is Haram ". (Shari Minfiaj dar Shara Fasl Aqueeqa).

                It is quoted in Al Ibaab’, that Imaam Ibn Ar’rifaah says that Imaam Shafi, has categorically stated that shaving the beard is haram. (From the book "Al Ibaab")

                Al Azraiy (Rahimahullah) says that the position in the Shafi madhab is that to shave the beard without a valid medical reason is haram. Similar verdict of prohibition has been issued by Zarakhshi, Baihaqi in his book, Shu’ab Al Iman, and by his teacher Qa’ffal Shashi in Muhasin As Shar’iyyah. (From the book "Shu’ab Al Iman")


                Imam Malik (Rahimahullah)
                Sheikh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed's booklet states, "to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all 4 Imams", it is also mentioned in 'Tamheed' which is a commentary of "Muatta" Sunnan Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) that "to shave the beard is haram and among males the only ones to resort to this practice are the hermaphrodites."
                (From the book "Tamheed")


                Maliki Fiqh in Kitabul Ib’daa
                To shave the beard is haram and to trim it in such a manner that it changes one’s natural and normal facial features is also haram. It is also quoted in Kitabul Ib’daa’, that "without doubt the four Madhabs are agreed that the beard should be lengthened and that shaving it is haram." (From the book "Kitabul Ib’daa")


                Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (Rahimahullah)
                The Hanbalies in their famous Al-KhanWa Hambli Fatawa Kitab state that "to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is Haram." Also in the Hambali Mathab books "Sharahul Muntaha' and "Shari Manzoomatul Aadaab", it is stated "The view is that it is haram (prohibited to shave the beard)".


                Hanabli Fiqh..
                From the book Hanabi Fiqh Shar’hul Muntahaa’
                It is narrated in Shar’hul Muntahaa’ and Shar’hul Manzoomatul Adaab, "the accepted view is that it is haram to shave the beard." Some Ulama like the author of ‘Insaf’, have categorically stated that it is haram. There is no report from anyone to the contrary.


                Sheikh ibn Abdur Rahman Al Banna
                "Shaving the beard is strictly haram. This is in the Hanabli Madhab."
                (From his book "Fathur Rabbani")


                Shaikhul-Islam Ibn Taimiyah (Rahimahullah)
                Stated that: "Shaving the beard is haram". [Al-Ikhtiyarat Al-Ilmiyyah, page 6].

                Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside."

                Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.”

                According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad)

                ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard.

                Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women.

                "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard" (reported by Muslim from Jaabir).

                It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/133)


                Imaam Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Imaam Abu Hanifah and Ath-Thawri (Rahimahullah) said

                "All agreed that if the beard is removed, it is an act of mutilation. If someone was to remove an other mans beard by force he would have to pay the full "diyah" or blood money for this cruel act just as if he had removed an eye or a limb of the victum."

                This is based upon the Sahih Hadith from Imaam Bukhari "Rasulullah (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) forbade robbing and taking propery by force and he forbade mutilation ." Imaam Ahmed Bin hanbal and Imaam Abu Hanifah agreed this includes a mans beard.(Sahih Bukhari)

                Ibn Hazm (Rahimahullah) Said, "All the scholars of Islam have agreed that shaving of the beard is a form of mutilation, which is forbidden. As Allah (SWT) says in the Quran " No change let there be in Khalq*illâh (creation of Allâh) , that is the straight religion, but most of men know not." (Sura 30:Ayah 30)

                Shaikh Al-Baani said, "It is not permissible for the Muslim to remove any hair from the beard except what the Lawgiver has allowed. It is reported from one of the companions who narrated the hadeeth, "Leave the beard and trim the moustaches" (sahih al Bukhari)

                Trimming the beard is against the order from the Sunnah, whether or not the man's beard is pleasing to him, and whether or not it is pleasing to others, for all of Allah's creation is handsome, as in the saheeh hadeeth, where the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) saw a man with a long waist-shirt and ordered him to have his izaar halfway up his shins; the man gave the excuse that he had a defect in his ankles, so the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) said, "All of Allah's creation is handsome." (saheeh- Ahmad and others) This phrase is actually of Qur'anic origin of. Sajdah 32:7). According to His Wisdom, Allah has differentiated between men and women, created man with a beard and created women without a beard; He did not do this without reason.
                "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                The Prophet :saw: said:

                "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

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                Narrated 'Abdullah:

                The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                • #23
                  Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

                  What is the ruling on one who trims his beard and makes all parts of it even in length?

                  Answer :

                  Praise be to Allaah.

                  It is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and not do anything to it, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” (Saheeh, agreed upon, narrated from Ibn ‘Umar).

                  Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh from ‘Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                  “Cut the moustache and leave the beard alone; be different from the mushrikeen.”

                  Muslim narrated in his Saheeh from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                  “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians (Zoroastrians).”

                  All of these ahaadeeth show that it is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and that it is obligatory to trim the moustache. This is what is obligatory as taught and enjoined by the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam.

                  This was the example set by the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and his companions to be different from the mushrikeen and to avoid resembling them or resembling women.

                  With regard to the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (may Allah have mercy on him), that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam used to trim something from the length and breadth of his beard, this is a daif (false) report according to the scholars, and it is not a saheeh report from the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and Some people clung to this hadeeth to prove their point, but it is a report which is not saheeh, because its isnaad includes ‘Umar ibn Haaroon al-Balkhi, who was accused of lying.

                  It is not permissible for the believer to pay any attention to this false hadeeth, or to take what some scholars say as an excuse to disobey Allah and his messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam. The obligatory Sunnah applies to everyone, and Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad), has indeed obeyed Allaah”

                  [al-Nisa’ 4:80]

                  “Say: ‘Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allaah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)’”

                  [al-Noor 24:54]

                  “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”

                  [al-Nisa’ 4:59]

                  Kitaab Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 4, p. 443 (www.islam-qa.com)

                  Allah subhanna wa ta ala says,

                  “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

                  al-Ahzaab 33:36

                  May Allah subhanaa wa ta ala guide us to abide by His Deen, and to adhere to His Messenger's salallahu alleyhi wa salam Sunnah, and to be among those whom he blessed in this life and the hearafter.Amin
                  "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                  The Prophet :saw: said:

                  "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                  muslim

                  Narrated 'Abdullah:

                  The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                  "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                  By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                  [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                  • #24
                    Re: If Your Dad Doesnt Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums at Home

                    Originally posted by mgk81 View Post
                    yes you are right that one has to obey when an instruction is given by Allah and His Rasool saw. the detriment of disobeying will be your own.
                    you have started this thread as an insult to those who do not have beards, and having does not put you on better/higher/obedient to those who do not have beards, Islam is based on piety not on how whether you have a beard or not.
                    this thread is even an insult to the women, as its almost like if you have a beard you more manly more muslim, and without a beard u are worthless like a women, in other words saying that women are nothing. so the women who agrees with this thread makes one think.

                    the unfortunate thing with some muslims is that they first look at if the man has a beard, if he has one is obedient and if he doesnt then his disobedient.
                    what a twist

                    if you shave your beard, you are a girly man. period (unless you are being severely persecuted for it (like sayd qutb) or some similar type of condition, and even in his case, Allah knows best how Allah will judge him

                    as far as being harsh to the fasiq, i have yet to hear one hadith about the prophet being soft to a fasiq.

                    the brother who refused to eat with his right hand comes to mind.........there are others. NOT ONE shows softness to those who blatantly disobey Allah and His messenger

                    the prophet called them effeminate. so what should i do? be nicer than the Prophet?
                    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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