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    In a country following Sharia principles, what education would be given or allowable? Saudi, for instance, has very different rules from Taliban Afghanistan.

    Would women be forbidden from learning to read and write?

    Would all subjects be available to every gender to any level?

  • #2
    Re: Education in a Sharia state

    theres nothing in shariah preventing women or girls from education
    i think in afghanistan the justification why schools where closed was something else, and wasnt it supposed to be a temporary thing? im not sure, but women are encouraged to learn and we're not forbidding from reading and writing. the schools would be all segregated though. probably more of a focus on islamic knowledge aswell..
    theres also different learning styles, i think the methods used in early islam were quite different than what u find in normal schools here in the UK nowadays, there was a much stronger focus on memorisation rather than relying on books, and more respect for the teachers
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    • #3
      Re: Education in a Sharia state

      Anna is right. Islam does not forbid anyone to learn to read or write. Rather it is encouraged to progress as a ummah, However this must be done, via islamic , Halal methods.

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      • #4
        Re: Education in a Sharia state

        Well anyway i would not be moving ever if the state was forbidding education for women.
        I should like to know what subject would be available for both gender (if i get sewing im not moving either) like philosophy, science etc...
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        • #5
          Re: Education in a Sharia state

          The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim, (male and female).’” (220. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Ibn Maajah.)

          Not just deen knowledge, which obviously comes first, but science, which is like the second best subject, it's all about glorifying Allah's creation, with all its intricacies and complexities. Also medicine is a very recommended choice for muslim women, Aishah was knowledgable in that, i think.

          Remember, women are meant to be very knowledgeable too. Rememebr the prophet :saw: said 'take half your deen from Aishah' so Islam stresses on education for both genders.

          In the Good Old Days when Islam was practiced sincerely and properly, the first degree giving university according to the Guiness book of world records was founded by Fatima Al-Firhi, a muslim woman. It is called University of Al-Karaouine in Morrocco
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          The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Cleanliness is half of faith

          and al-Hamdu Lillah (all praise and gratitude is for Allah alone) fills the scale, and Subhan Allah (Glory be to Allah)

          and al-Hamdu Lillah fill up what is between the heavens and the earth, and prayer is a light,

          and charity is proof (of one's faith)

          and endurance is a brightness and the Holy Qur'an is a proof on your behalf or against you.

          All men go out early in the morning and sell themselves, thereby setting themselves free or destroying themselves.



          حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ مَنْصُورٍ، حَدَّثَنَا حَبَّانُ بْنُ هِلاَلٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبَانٌ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، أَنَّ زَيْدًا، حَدَّثَهُ أَنَّ أَبَا سَلاَّمٍ حَدَّثَهُ عَنْ أَبِي مَالِكٍ الأَشْعَرِيِّ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ الطُّهُورُ شَطْرُ الإِيمَانِ وَالْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ تَمْلأُ الْمِيزَانَ ‏.‏ وَسُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ وَالْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ تَمْلآنِ - أَوْ تَمْلأُ - مَا بَيْنَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَالصَّلاَةُ نُورٌ وَالصَّدَقَةُ بُرْهَانٌ وَالصَّبْرُ ضِيَاءٌ وَالْقُرْآنُ حُجَّةٌ لَكَ أَوْ عَلَيْكَ كُلُّ النَّاسِ يَغْدُو فَبَائِعٌ نَفْسَهُ فَمُعْتِقُهَا أَوْ مُوبِقُهَا ‏"‏ ‏.‏

          Reference : Sahih Muslim 223
          In-book reference : Book 2, Hadith 1
          USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 2, Hadith 432
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          أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

          Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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          • #6
            Re: Education in a Sharia state

            Originally posted by .: Anna :. View Post
            theres nothing in shariah preventing women or girls from education
            i think in afghanistan the justification why schools where closed was something else, and wasnt it supposed to be a temporary thing? im not sure, but women are encouraged to learn and we're not forbidding from reading and writing. the schools would be all segregated though. probably more of a focus on islamic knowledge aswell..
            theres also different learning styles, i think the methods used in early islam were quite different than what u find in normal schools here in the UK nowadays, there was a much stronger focus on memorisation rather than relying on books, and more respect for the teachers
            As much as I would like to deride the Taliban, what Sister Anna says above I have heard before that the closure of schools was a temporary thing.

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            • #7
              Re: Education in a Sharia state

              You will find most of the school were secular schools, and some mixed... Just like the ones that caused the downfall of Egypt.
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              ZIONISM
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              • #8
                Re: Education in a Sharia state

                Originally posted by Goalshan602 View Post
                As much as I would like to deride the Taliban, what Sister Anna says above I have heard before that the closure of schools was a temporary thing.
                I don't wish this to become a taliban thread and wanted to stay away from them really to avoid confrontation, but if you type "taliban girls school" into google you get a whole lot of nasty news stories about the taliban killing girls who go to school - death can hardly be called temporary. Let's stay away from zionist media conspiracies: if it were correct that the taliban are stopping girls from going to school I take it you would disagree with this aspect of their implementation of shariah?

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                • #9
                  Re: Education in a Sharia state

                  yes i would disagree with that as im sure most would, if that was true because obviously its not within islam to murder people for attending school. that is an evil action totally outside the boundaries of shariah
                  its not really a zionist conspiracy or anything but was it not that some of the people who were doing these actions were not "proper" taliban but some ignorant people have joined up that just like the power, so they were on the lower levels of implimenting things on the street and some have transgressed the boundaries? do you get how i mean, im not really a good explainer.. anyway i did hear thats the case and that the taliban originally were more on implementing shariah properly rather than that, but Allahu alam we cant b sure as we've not been there
                  stopping girls from school is not right within islam anyway. unless if they put a good system for home education for girls or something, and promote that and carry it out in a good way but even then if someone set up a girls school i dont think a decent islamic leader would hav any grounds for closing or forbidding it, as long as its not mixed.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Education in a Sharia state

                    Education is highly valued in iur faith. The first university in the world was in al azhar- Egypt
                    "Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away" (21:1)

                    " How can the one who chooses a hour of Haraam pleasure, above the eternal pleasure of Jannah, ever be considered as sane? "
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                    • #11
                      Re: Education in a Sharia state

                      Thank you. So I will assume, unless told otherwise, that your perfect sharia state would have segregated educational facilities to all levels for both genders.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Education in a Sharia state

                        Originally posted by Tread Softly View Post
                        Thank you. So I will assume, unless told otherwise, that your perfect sharia state would have segregated educational facilities to all levels for both genders.
                        yes, though it is allowed for a woman to teach men and women to be taught by a man in islamic subjects, where they are the best teacher and there is a barrier between them.

                        RE the taliban, when they came to power there was a massive mess in the education system, when each party came to power in the afghan civil war they would bring in their own curriculum and seek to affect the youth and children through their message this way.

                        so the socialists had brought in one curriculum promoting the kufr of socialism, then the communists had brought in their own aggressively atheist curriculum in their areas, especially around the capital, each mujahideen faction had their own understanding of matters so the shia would being in a shia curriculum, the islamic parties theirs, each with differences.

                        the soviets had also bombed many schools, especially islamic schools just as NATO is destroying islamic schools today. many schools had also been destroyed by different factions in the civil war after the soviets left, others were little more than shells where children were taught by rote with little understanding due to neglect.

                        Mullah Omar, Amir ul mumineen, being an islamic teacher himself by trade did try to reform education and make it one of the priorities of the new islamic emirate, but we should remember they were suffering some of the worse sanctions the world had seen, and had little or no infrastructure to start with.

                        because of this, and because they felt the man being the breadwinner needed an education more, they decided that in areas where not enough facilities were available that they would prioritise educating boys.

                        you might disagree with this decision, but they were dealing with very trying circumstances and it is an understandable decision to make given the circumstances.

                        they also given the cultural and spiritual mess they inherited decided to prioritise islamic education 1st, meaning to educate more woman and more subjects later but due to sanctions and eventual invasion this never happened but it was their stated intention.

                        as others have stated, some cultural muslims who may be allied with or affiliated with the taliban might have done certain actions which are reprehensable but the taliban themselves are not the ones dropping out of heliccotors at night, pulling students out of their dead, handcuffing them and shooting them dead.

                        nor are they dropping 500lb bombs on schools and madrasas or using drone attacks to attack schools because one militant might or might not to present.

                        during their time in power, they made the education of women in medicine a priority, due to certain cultural unislamic practices that led many women to die due to husbands refusing medical aid to them because only a man was available where life or serious harm is the risk otherwise.

                        WHEN nato, US, UK and the UN finally withdraw from afghanistan and the taliban rule again Allah willing, we will be able to see after quite a few years of rebuilding their education policy, not judging it based upon a small period of rule in very trying circumstances.
                        Last edited by dawud_uk; 14-02-10, 11:34 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Education in a Sharia state

                          Thanks for your input, interesting.

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                          • #14
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                            We have a long history of major major female scholars from the time of the Prophet Muhammad (s) until now (although they dont get as much fanfare by Western media of course).

                            Seeking knowledge is obligatory on the man and the woman

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                              Re: Education in a Sharia state

                              Would citizens in a Sharia state be allowed to be educated elsewhere?

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