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    Originally posted by Ruprecht
    ....^Is that a Sufi creed?...........
    :jkk: MayAllah reward you amply for the patient reading and feedback.

    In fact what I have posted is the Muslim Creed.

    Please read my opening sentence also.

    It starts with "On the contrary" meaning that it is opposed to the thoughts conveyed by brother Al-Farooq wherein his Sufi Love has exceeded all bounds.
    Last edited by aboosait; 21-02-09, 04:00 AM.
    Worship only the CREATOR, HE is One and HE is the SUSTAINER of the Universe. Do not worship any of HIS creations nor through HIS creations

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    Re: Sufi Love

    Originally posted by Ruprecht
    .............Did you type that out yourself, or cut and paste it from somewhere...............
    Well, I had to do both, but the CP is from authentic sources and not from "somewhere" because we prefer CP to typing out Qur'anic Verses / Ahaadith and sayings of Scholars to avoid errors in transmission.

    By the way Ruprecht, what makes you ask?
    Worship only the CREATOR, HE is One and HE is the SUSTAINER of the Universe. Do not worship any of HIS creations nor through HIS creations

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    • #3
      Re: Sufi Love

      A warning to all, do not pollute the thread with off topic posts please, or else this will result in an infraction.

      Many thanks for understanding! :)
      The spiritual warrior is he who breaks an idol;
      and the idol of each person is his Ego.

      - Imam Abul Qasim al-Qushayri

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      • #4
        Re: Sufi Love

        Originally posted by al-ghazalli
        Come, come, whoever you are..............
        Could u produce a 'tafsir' of that poem?
        Worship only the CREATOR, HE is One and HE is the SUSTAINER of the Universe. Do not worship any of HIS creations nor through HIS creations

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        • #5
          Sufi Love Discussion Thread

          True love doesn't just fill your heart, it overflows into your whole body and soul.
          anon.
          Rajab is a month of cultivation

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          • #6
            Re: Sufi Love

            Originally posted by Medievalist View Post
            ...........overflows into your whole body and soul.
            anon.
            Or out of your body - so that others also experience your love towards them?
            Worship only the CREATOR, HE is One and HE is the SUSTAINER of the Universe. Do not worship any of HIS creations nor through HIS creations

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            • #7
              Re: Sufi Love

              Originally posted by ze leetle elper View Post
              It isregarding ones spiritual state being so much so that his physical state is also affected. Classic example is the hadra.
              What a joke :rotfl:



              "The `Aalim knows who is a Jaahil, because he used to be a Jaahil before. But the Jaahil does not know who is an `Aalim, because he was never an `Aalim before."


              Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullaah in Majmoo`ul Fataawaa.


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              • #8
                Re: Sufi Love

                Originally posted by Abu Mus'ab View Post
                What a joke :rotfl:
                Not really. What is a joke is how people who don't understand or care to understand about something laugh it off to feel better and bigger about themselves. That is the saddest joke.
                What does 'freedom' mean?

                Does the eagle want to swim in the sea,
                Restricted by the sky?

                Does the fish want to dance on the wind,
                Not enough river to explore?

                Yet the sky is freedom for the bird
                but death for the fish,

                The sea is wide for the fish
                but will engulf the bird.

                We ask for freedom but freedom to do what?
                We can only express our nature as it was created.

                The prayer mat of the earth is freedom,
                freedom from slavery to other than the One,
                Who offers an shoreless ocean of love to swim in
                and a horizon that extends to the next life,
                Yet we chose the prison and call it freedom.

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                • #9
                  Re: Sufi Love

                  Originally posted by ze leetle elper View Post
                  Not really. What is a joke is how people who don't understand or care to understand about something laugh it off to feel better and bigger about themselves. That is the saddest joke.
                  Hadra has nothing to do with Islaam, yeah people might call you mad for doing it, but people also call you mad if you wear underwear over pants like spandexman, that doesn't mean that dressing like that is now a good thing.

                  That hadeeth does not in any way whatsoever refer to doing hadra.



                  "The `Aalim knows who is a Jaahil, because he used to be a Jaahil before. But the Jaahil does not know who is an `Aalim, because he was never an `Aalim before."


                  Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullaah in Majmoo`ul Fataawaa.


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                  • #10
                    Re: Sufi Love

                    That is your opinion. Unfortunately your opinion is not fact.
                    What does 'freedom' mean?

                    Does the eagle want to swim in the sea,
                    Restricted by the sky?

                    Does the fish want to dance on the wind,
                    Not enough river to explore?

                    Yet the sky is freedom for the bird
                    but death for the fish,

                    The sea is wide for the fish
                    but will engulf the bird.

                    We ask for freedom but freedom to do what?
                    We can only express our nature as it was created.

                    The prayer mat of the earth is freedom,
                    freedom from slavery to other than the One,
                    Who offers an shoreless ocean of love to swim in
                    and a horizon that extends to the next life,
                    Yet we chose the prison and call it freedom.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Sufi Love

                      Who died and made you aalimah?



                      "The `Aalim knows who is a Jaahil, because he used to be a Jaahil before. But the Jaahil does not know who is an `Aalim, because he was never an `Aalim before."


                      Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullaah in Majmoo`ul Fataawaa.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Sufi Love

                        Ditto.
                        What does 'freedom' mean?

                        Does the eagle want to swim in the sea,
                        Restricted by the sky?

                        Does the fish want to dance on the wind,
                        Not enough river to explore?

                        Yet the sky is freedom for the bird
                        but death for the fish,

                        The sea is wide for the fish
                        but will engulf the bird.

                        We ask for freedom but freedom to do what?
                        We can only express our nature as it was created.

                        The prayer mat of the earth is freedom,
                        freedom from slavery to other than the One,
                        Who offers an shoreless ocean of love to swim in
                        and a horizon that extends to the next life,
                        Yet we chose the prison and call it freedom.

                        http://campaign.justgiving.com/chari...iyahschool2015

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                        • #13
                          Re: Sufi Love

                          Originally posted by ze leetle elper View Post
                          Ditto.
                          What i'm going to say now you're going to feel i'm insulting you with, but it's the truth.

                          Stick to making rotis and leave the ahkaam to the 'ulamaa, you do not even know the view of the 'ulamaa regarding the hadra, yet you try to interprete ahaadeeth and insinuate that Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam encouraged this bid'ah.

                          Do you know what Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam said about people who give fataawa without knowledge?

                          Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam said: Whoever gives a fatwa without knowledge, Allaah and the angels and all of mankind curses him. - Ibn Asaakir

                          Yet here you are passing a fatwa on a hadeeth that had it not been for tmr who posted its source you wouldn't have even known that.

                          As for the hadeeth itself, it's words are "akthiroo dhikrallaah" not "akthiroo hadra" or "akthiroo anything else", hadra is a dance, it has nothing to do with the dhikr of Allaah.

                          I'll tell you what the hadeeth can refer to, there's a particular aalim who is always engaged in dhikr wherever he goes, and some juhhaal have commented on him and said "leave him he's mad, he's always saying things to himself", THAT is what the hadeeth could be used to refer to, NOT the hadra.

                          The hadra has been transliterated perfectly as hadra, spelt in arabic as هَدْرَ , those who do not know arabic can ask an arabic speaker to translate what it means for them.



                          "The `Aalim knows who is a Jaahil, because he used to be a Jaahil before. But the Jaahil does not know who is an `Aalim, because he was never an `Aalim before."


                          Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullaah in Majmoo`ul Fataawaa.


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                          • #14
                            Re: Sufi Love

                            Originally posted by rahamath View Post
                            :start:
                            What does that mean exactly? How I will look like mad when I remember my Rabb more?
                            Originally posted by ze leetle elper View Post
                            It isregarding ones spiritual state being so much so that his physical state is also affected. Classic example is the hadra.
                            Originally posted by Abu Mus'ab View Post
                            What i'm going to say now you're going to feel i'm insulting you with, but it's the truth.

                            Stick to making rotis and leave the ahkaam to the 'ulamaa, you do not even know the view of the 'ulamaa regarding the hadra, yet you try to interprete ahaadeeth and insinuate that Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam encouraged this bid'ah.

                            Do you know what Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam said about people who give fataawa without knowledge?
                            Originally posted by Abu Mus'ab View Post
                            Hadra has nothing to do with Islaam, yeah people might call you mad for doing it, but people also call you mad if you wear underwear over pants like spandexman, that doesn't mean that dressing like that is now a good thing.

                            That hadeeth does not in any way whatsoever refer to doing hadra.

                            What i'm going to say now you're going to feel i'm insulting you with, but it's the truth.

                            Learn to read properly before getting on your high horse. Maybe you should stick to making rotis because YOU obviously are not aware of the ulema's opinion regarding the hadra.
                            What does 'freedom' mean?

                            Does the eagle want to swim in the sea,
                            Restricted by the sky?

                            Does the fish want to dance on the wind,
                            Not enough river to explore?

                            Yet the sky is freedom for the bird
                            but death for the fish,

                            The sea is wide for the fish
                            but will engulf the bird.

                            We ask for freedom but freedom to do what?
                            We can only express our nature as it was created.

                            The prayer mat of the earth is freedom,
                            freedom from slavery to other than the One,
                            Who offers an shoreless ocean of love to swim in
                            and a horizon that extends to the next life,
                            Yet we chose the prison and call it freedom.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Sufi Love

                              Originally posted by MMS
                              ..[B]......uwais al-qarni...........Allah raised his ranks by giving him the right to intercede.
                              Where did you get that info. from?

                              Originally posted by MMS
                              ........ Umar Al-Farooq.............
                              for days he remained praralysed in contemplation after reading Allah's book
                              ]
                              Who told you so?

                              What I have read and heard right from my childhood is that he was given the pages of the Qur'an by his sister to read the Verses from it. He cooled down and proclaimed Shahadah.


                              Originally posted by MMS
                              ..........imam al-Junayd...............on the register of the auliya resides his name.
                              Where is that Register ?

                              Originally posted by MMS
                              ... .......abd'al-qadir al-jilani.............purifying his heart from all things wordly................
                              Please give some examples of things wordly which the poetess has in mind.
                              Worship only the CREATOR, HE is One and HE is the SUSTAINER of the Universe. Do not worship any of HIS creations nor through HIS creations

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