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  • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

    Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
    Having a beard has nothing to do with Islam. I'm so sick and tired of Muslims who believe such nonsense.
    looky here

    a muslim who says that obedience to allah has nothing to do with islam

    and he is sick and tired of muslims who believe the nonsense of obedience to Allah and His Messenger

    if this aint a cancer to this ummah, i dont know what is
    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
    دولة الإسلامية باقية





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    • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

      Obedience to Allah means growing a beard? Are you serious? Believing such things is the real cancer of the ummah.

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      • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

        so tell me, when Allah says to obey the Prophet and the Prophet commanded that men wear a beard, and went further to say how it is effeminate to shave and it imitates the mushrikoon, tell me how obedience to Allah, in His command to obey the Messenger, is a cancer?

        this is gonna be good
        .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
        نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
        دولة الإسلامية باقية





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        • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

          Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
          so tell me, when Allah says to obey the Prophet and the Prophet commanded that men wear a beard, and went further to say how it is effeminate to shave and it imitates the mushrikoon, tell me how obedience to Allah, in His command to obey the Messenger, is a cancer?

          this is gonna be good
          :salams

          First, English is not my native language, I hope you can forgive me for that mistake :)

          Secondly, growing a beard is NOT part of Sunnah!!

          Sunnah has to do with the practical aspects (certain religious actions) of Islam. As to growing a beard; This is a very old TRADITION. At the time of our prophet (SAW) men had VERY long beards (sometimes till their belly). Muhammad (SAW) let the men shorten their beards. It's a tradition, men had long beards before Islam and this tradition of growing beards (although shorter) has continued till today. This is everything you need to know about beards.

          This is stated by some of the most REPUTABLE TURKISH ISLAMIC SCHOLARS.
          Last edited by Argamemnon; 02-08-08, 09:20 PM.

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          • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

            i am sorry, i missed any quran and hadith in your response

            the ayat says to obey the Messenger of Allah, what he tells you, you take, and what he forbids you abstain, indeed in the messenger of Allah do you find an excellent pattern of conduct for those who believe in Allah and the Last day............

            now, on top of that, the Messenger of Allah COMMANDED we wear the beard

            now, you please give me some quran and sunnah to support what you have just said
            .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
            نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
            دولة الإسلامية باقية





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            • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

              Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
              now, on top of that, the Messenger of Allah COMMANDED we wear the beard
              This is a lie. Give me proof. Tell me, are you more knowledgeable than the most respectable Turkish Islamic scholars? People who spend their lives to serve Allah?

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              • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
                Obedience to Allah means growing a beard? Are you serious? Believing such things is the real cancer of the ummah.
                brother it is a cancer to our iman to speak without knowledge about matters of our deen. obedience to Allah means obeying his prophet :saw: Allah says in the Quran

                "Whoever disobeys the Messenger after guidance has been clarified to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We shall give to him what he deserves and broil him in hell, which is the worst abode." ( An-Nisaa 4:115 )

                and the prophet :saw: has ordered men to grow their beard and trim their moustaches.

                therefore it is obligatory for all muslim men to grow their beard.

                The Beard

                It obligatory for a man to have a beard, he must not shave it. Shaving the beard is haraam because of the saheeh ahaadeeth that clearly state this, and because of the general application of texts that forbid resembling the kuffaar. One of these reports is the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar who said that,

                "the Messenger of Allah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                " Be different from the mushrikeen let your beards grow and trim your moustaches." According to another report: " Trim your moustaches and let your beards grow."

                There are other hadeeth which convey the same meaning, which is to leave the beard as it is and let it grow long, without shaving, plucking or cutting any part of it. Ibn Hazm reported that there was scholarly consensus that it is an obligation (fard) to trim the moustache and let the beard grow.

                He quoted a number of ahaadeeth as evidence, including the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted above, and the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Arqam in which the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                "Whoever does not remove any of his moustache is not one of us." (Classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).

                Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "The Qur'aan, Sunnah and ijmaa' (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside.

                Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said

                "He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians."

                According to another narration he said, "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Reported by Imaam Ahmad)

                'Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn 'Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: "It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate" i.e., those who imitate women.

                "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard" (reported by Muslim from Jaabir).

                It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the meaning of the texts which forbid doing so.

                The beard (Arabic: liyah) is defined as the hair which grows on the cheeks and the jaws. It includes the hair of the temples, the growth underneath the lower lip, the hair of the chin, and the hair that grows on the lower side of the jaws.
                Growing the beard is wajib (an obligation) and not optional, it is for all males who are capable of doing so. This has ample evidence in the Sunnah (as will be shown below) and is the unanimous opinion of the ulamaa of Islam. One should not be misled by a few contemporary shaykhs, and by their providing shaky fatwas to support their action. By doing that they make people follow them into the wrong way.

                The Prophet Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam said,

                "Allah does not pull the knowledge abruptly from the hearts of people, but he takes away the knowledge by taking [the lives of] the `ulamaa (true scholars). When no `ulamaa are left, people will take ignorant persons for leaders. They will give them fatwa (religious verdicts)without knowledge. By doing this, they will go astray and lead others astray as well. ( sahih Al-Bukhari )

                when the Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                "He who revives a good sunnah (the way of Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam) will be rewarded for it, in addition to receiving rewards equal to the rewards of those who follow him into it. Whereas he who starts a biddah (a bad sunnah ) will be burdened with it, in addition to receiving burdens equal to the burdens of those who follow him into it. ( sahih Muslim )


                Shaving the beard results in a series of Islamic violations, as is obvious from Allah's Book and His Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam, Sunnah. The following is a list just a few of such violations.

                The first is disobedience to Allah. Shaving the beard is a disobedience to Allah as this next hadith clearly shows. Allah has commanded the muslim men to wear their beards.

                "The ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisraa, sent two envoys to the Messenger to summon him. When they came into his presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and grew their moustaches. He hated to look at them (because of their odd appearance) and he said: Woe be to you ! who told you to do so? They replied: " Our lord " (Referring to the emperor Kisraa.) The Messenger then said, "My Lord, Allah may He be exalted and glorified, has commanded me to leave alone my beard and to trim my moustache." Recorded by Ibn Jar ra-abar. (Hasan, al-Albani.)

                Shaving the beard is also disobedience to the Messenger,salallahu alleyhi wa salam. In many hadiths, the Messenger,salallahu alleyhi wa salam,commanded men to leave alone their beards. These hadiths and ayats also show the obligation of obeying the messanger in regards to a command.

                “Trim the moustache and save the beard. (sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

                Obeying the Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam, in that, is equivalent to obeying Allah who said

                “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah.” (An Nisaa 4:80)

                “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

                al-Ahzaab 33:36

                shaving the beard is also a deviation from the Appearance and Guidance of the Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam.

                "The Messenger used to have a large beard. " ( sahih Muslim )

                One should strive to imitate Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam in his practices, as Allah said;

                In the Messenger of Allah is a good example for you to follow. ( Al-Ahzab 33:21)

                And the Messenger said, Verily, the best guidance is Muhammad's guidance." ( sahih Muslim )

                Shaving the beard is a deviation from the way of believers. All of the prophets alleyhi salam , the sahabah (Prophet's companions), the great `ulemaa, and the righteous early Muslims of this Ummah (Nation) grew their beards. There is no report of a single one of them ever shaving his beard. This is their way.The way of the muslim men.

                Allah says in the Quran,

                "Whoever disobeys the Messenger after guidance has been clarified to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We shall give to him what he deserves and broil him in hell, which is the worst abode." ( An-Nisaa 4:115 )

                Shaving the beard is an imitation of the disbelievers. This has been emphasized in several hadiths of the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam. For example:

                "Cut the moustaches and grow your beards. Be different from the Magians" (followers of a religion that dominated in Persia.)
                ( sahih Muslim )

                The Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said,

                " Cut your moustaches and leave your beards alone! Be different from the people of the scripture." ( sahih Muslim )

                and he salallahu alleyhi wa salam also said,

                " Be different from the Mushrikin (those who worship other than Allah, trim your moustaches and save your beards!" (sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

                We have been commanded to be different and distinct from the disbelievers, as in surah al-Fatihah. In addition, Allah said,

                “Follow not the whims of those who have no knowledge (of Islam). (Al-Jathiyah 45:18)

                And His Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Abu Dawud, classed as sahih by Albani)

                Changing the creation of Allah is a serious matter as we see in the following hadith,

                "The Messenger declared that the women who change what Allah has created (such as plucking the eyebrows or filing their teeth or tattooing their bodies) seeking by that to improve their appearance, are cursed by Allah" (sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim) ( In this hadith women are specifically mentioned but the curse applies both to men and women who change the creation of Allah...)



                The beard is a major distinction between men and women. Shaving it removes this distinction, and is thus a means of imitating women. The Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                "Allah curses those men who imitate the women, and He curses those women who imitate the men. ( sahih Al-Bukhari )

                Shaving the Beard also Contradicts the Pure Fitrah (Nature) Allah's Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam mentioned ten qualities as indicative of a good, clean nature of a Muslim. Two of these qualities are to trim the moustaches and to grow the beard. The Messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam also tells us that,

                "every child is born with a clean, pure fitrah, which later may get deformed by the influence of the environment and the up-bringing." (sahih Al- Bukhari and Muslim )

                In the footsteps of the disbelievers, many Muslims' fitrah is now, unfortunately, so much deformed that they seem to find a clean-shaven man more handsome and masculine than one with a beard - exactly the opposite of what the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam declared in the above hadiths.

                This fitrah never changes with time: Allah said,

                "The pure nature according to which Allah has created people. There is no change in Allah's creation.” Ar-Ruum 30:30 )

                For shaving their beards, some men give the strange excuse that their wives prefer them without one! As if their purpose in this life is to follow the deformed inclinations of their wives instead of the clear-cut commands of Allah and His Messenger!

                Others claim that growing their beard results in irritability and scratching. This cannot result from abiding by the pure fitrah, but would result (if true) from neglect of the proper cleaning, washing, ghusl and wudu as instructed in the Sunnah.

                ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked (shaved) his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women.

                All the `ulamaa of al sunnah wa jam`aa, including the Four Imams, agreed that shaving the beard is haram ( forbidden ). They considered shaving it an impermissible mutilation, as has been reported about Umar bin Abdil-Aziz. They used to consider the person who shaved his beard effeminate.The ulema would not accept the witness of the one who shaved his beard, nor would they allow him to lead the salat. (prayers)

                Letting the beard grow is an obligation (fard); it does not come under the category of sunnah Mu`akkadah, optional or mustahaab Sunnah as defined by the fuqahaa’.The is because the hadiths about the beard are in the specific form of an order and we must obey the messenger salallahu allayhi wa salam,his orders must be obeyed as the order of Allah suibhanna wa ta ala must be obeyed. And Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam informs us that Allah subhanna wa ta ala has ordered, indeed commamnded that the beard be left alone.

                "The ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisraa, sent two envoys to the Messenger to summon him. When they came into his presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and grew their moustaches. He hated to look at them (because of their odd appearance) and he said: Woe be to you ! who told you to do so? They replied: " Our lord " (Referring to the emperor Kisraa.) The Messenger then said, "My Lord, Allah may He be exalted and glorified, has commanded me to leave alone my beard and to trim my moustache." Recorded by Ibn Jar ra-abar. (Hasan, al-Albani.)

                To say the beard is only sunnah, and not obligatory, one has to show some sort of sahih proof (ie: hadith)that the prophet salalahu alleyhi wa salam shaved his beard off, or that he allowed his companions to do this,this is the denfinition of a non obligatory sunnah action.

                There is no such evidence,there is only the evidence in the contrary that the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam ordered the Muslim man to leave his beard and therefore the hukum of this sunnah order, is an order of actions and is something that is obligatory,fard, and none of the ulema the ta`baeen or the companions were in disagreement about this.

                Whoever shaves his beard is imitating the Majoos (Zoroastrians), going against the Fitrah (natural disposition of man), changing the creation of Allah,immitating women and disobeying the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam who said " leave your beard! "

                The one who neglects an act that is an obligatory Sunnah will be punished.

                Allah subhanna wa ta ala says in the Quran ,

                “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

                al-Ahzaab 33:36

                Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim reported with a saheeh isnaad from al-Miqdaam that the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said

                “Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, ‘Between us and you is the Book of Allah,(the Quran) and what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haram, we take as haram.’

                then he salallahu alleyhi wa salam said

                "But listen! take heed ! Whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allah forbids!"

                (Al-Fath al-Kabeer, 3/438. Al-Tirmidhi also reported it with different wording, and said that it is hasan saheeh. Sunan al-Tirmidhi bi Sharh Ibn al-‘Arabi, al-Saawi edn., 10/132).

                Obeying the commands of the messanger,salallahu alleyhi wa salam is equal to obeying Allah subhanna wa ta ala,

                The Prophet Salallahu alleyhi wa salam said, "All of my Ummah Will Enter Jannah Except Those Who Refuse"

                The Companions Asked "But Who Would Refuse!"

                He, Salallahu alleyhi wa salam Replied "Whoever Obeys Me Will Enter Paradise and Whoever Disobeys Me Has Refused to Enter Paradise" Sahih Al Bukhari

                The scholars also use the word “Sunnah” in contrast to bid’ah (reprehensible innovation) and say “Ahl al-Sunnah” (those who adhere to the Sunnah) to distinguish them from the followers of misguided kaafir sects such as the Jahamiyyah, or innovators who are not kaafirs, such as the Ash’aris and others. The obligatory Sunnah in this sense has to be followed. Following the way of Ahl al-Sunnah is obligatory, and whoever departs from their way is doomed.

                Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: the Sunnah is like the ship of Nooh: whoever boards it will be saved and whoever stays behind will be drowned.

                Nay! O Muhammad - by your Rabb - they will never be true believers until they accept you as a judge in their disputes, then they do not find any resentment in their hearts against your verdicts and accept them with complete submission. (4:65)

                Obeying the obligatory commands and orders of Muhammad salallahu alleyhi wa salam fron the sahih sunnah, is as obligatory as obeying Allah subhanna wa ta ala

                Narrated Aisha, The Rasulullah Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam said:

                “Ten things are part of the fitrah: cutting the moustache, letting the beard grow, cleaning the teeth with a siwaak, rinsing the nose with water, cutting one’s nails, washing between the finger-joints, plucking the armpit hairs, shaving the pubic hair and cleaning one’s private parts with water.”

                (Reported by Imaan Ahmad, Muslim and the four authors of Sunan)
                Sahih Al-Bukhari 9:651


                Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri Rasulullah Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam said,

                "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an, but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e,its impossible)." The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (their beards)."

                (Sahih Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17)


                Imam Shafi (Rahimahullah) in his Kitabul Umm states, "To shave the beard is Haram ". (Shari Minfiaj dar Shara Fasl Aqueeqa).

                It is quoted in Al Ibaab’, that Imaam Ibn Ar’rifaah says that Imaam Shafi, has categorically stated that shaving the beard is haram. (From the book "Al Ibaab")

                Al Azraiy (Rahimahullah) says that the position in the Shafi madhab is that to shave the beard without a valid medical reason is haram. Similar verdict of prohibition has been issued by Zarakhshi, Baihaqi in his book, Shu’ab Al Iman, and by his teacher Qa’ffal Shashi in Muhasin As Shar’iyyah. (From the book "Shu’ab Al Iman")


                Imam Malik (Rahimahullah)
                Sheikh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed's booklet states, "to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all 4 Imams", it is also mentioned in 'Tamheed' which is a commentary of "Muatta" Sunnan Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) that "to shave the beard is haram and among males the only ones to resort to this practice are the hermaphrodites."
                (From the book "Tamheed")


                Maliki Fiqh in Kitabul Ib’daa
                To shave the beard is haram and to trim it in such a manner that it changes one’s natural and normal facial features is also haram. It is also quoted in Kitabul Ib’daa’, that "without doubt the four Madhabs are agreed that the beard should be lengthened and that shaving it is haram." (From the book "Kitabul Ib’daa")


                Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (Rahimahullah)
                The Hanbalies in their famous Al-KhanWa Hambli Fatawa Kitab state that "to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is Haram." Also in the Hambali Mathab books "Sharahul Muntaha' and "Shari Manzoomatul Aadaab", it is stated "The view is that it is haram (prohibited to shave the beard)".


                Hanabli Fiqh..
                From the book Hanabi Fiqh Shar’hul Muntahaa’
                It is narrated in Shar’hul Muntahaa’ and Shar’hul Manzoomatul Adaab, "the accepted view is that it is haram to shave the beard." Some Ulama like the author of ‘Insaf’, have categorically stated that it is haram. There is no report from anyone to the contrary.


                Sheikh ibn Abdur Rahman Al Banna
                "Shaving the beard is strictly haram. This is in the Hanabli Madhab."
                (From his book "Fathur Rabbani")


                Shaikhul-Islam Ibn Taimiyah (Rahimahullah)
                Stated that: "Shaving the beard is haram". [Al-Ikhtiyarat Al-Ilmiyyah, page 6].

                Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside."

                Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.”

                According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad)

                ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard.

                Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women.

                "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard" (reported by Muslim from Jaabir).

                It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/133)


                Imaam Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Imaam Abu Hanifah and Ath-Thawri (Rahimahullah) said

                "All agreed that if the beard is removed, it is an act of mutilation. If someone was to remove an other mans beard by force he would have to pay the full "diyah" or blood money for this cruel act just as if he had removed an eye or a limb of the victum."

                This is based upon the Sahih Hadith from Imaam Bukhari "Rasulullah (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) forbade robbing and taking propery by force and he forbade mutilation ." Imaam Ahmed Bin hanbal and Imaam Abu Hanifah agreed this includes a mans beard.(Sahih Bukhari)

                Ibn Hazm (Rahimahullah) Said, "All the scholars of Islam have agreed that shaving of the beard is a form of mutilation, which is forbidden. As Allah (SWT) says in the Quran " No change let there be in Khalq*illh (creation of Allh) , that is the straight religion, but most of men know not." (Sura 30:Ayah 30)

                Shaikh Al-Baani said, "It is not permissible for the Muslim to remove any hair from the beard except what the Lawgiver has allowed. It is reported from one of the companions who narrated the hadeeth, "Leave the beard and trim the moustaches" (sahih al Bukhari)

                Trimming the beard is against the Sunnah, whether or not the man's beard is pleasing to him, and whether or not it is pleasing to others, for all of Allah's creation is handsome, as in the saheeh hadeeth, where the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) saw a man with a long waist-shirt and ordered him to have his izaar halfway up his shins; the man gave the excuse that he had a defect in his ankles, so the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) said, "All of Allah's creation is handsome." (saheeh- Ahmad and others) This phrase is actually of Qur'anic origin of. Sajdah 32:7). According to His Wisdom, Allah has differentiated between men and women, created man with a beard and created women without a beard; He did not do this without reason.


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                What is the ruling on one who trims his beard and makes all parts of it even in length?

                Answer :

                Praise be to Allaah.

                It is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and not do anything to it, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” (Saheeh, agreed upon, narrated from Ibn ‘Umar).

                Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh from ‘Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                “Cut the moustache and leave the beard alone; be different from the mushrikeen.”

                Muslim narrated in his Saheeh from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

                “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians (Zoroastrians).”

                All of these ahaadeeth show that it is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and that it is obligatory to trim the moustache. This is what is obligatory as taught and enjoined by the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam.

                This was the example set by the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and his companions to be different from the mushrikeen and to avoid resembling them or resembling women.

                With regard to the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (may Allah have mercy on him), that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam used to trim something from the length and breadth of his beard, this is a daif (false) report according to the scholars, and it is not a saheeh report from the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and Some people clung to this hadeeth to prove their point, but it is a report which is not saheeh, because its isnaad includes ‘Umar ibn Haaroon al-Balkhi, who was accused of lying.

                It is not permissible for the believer to pay any attention to this false hadeeth, or to take what some scholars say as an excuse to disobey Allah and his messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam. The obligatory Sunnah applies to everyone, and Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                “He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad), has indeed obeyed Allaah”

                [al-Nisa’ 4:80]

                “Say: ‘Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allaah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)’”

                [al-Noor 24:54]

                “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”

                [al-Nisa’ 4:59]

                Kitaab Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 4, p. 443 (www.islam-qa.com)

                Allah subhanna wa ta ala says,

                “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

                al-Ahzaab 33:36

                May Allah subhanaa wa ta ala guide us to abide by His Deen, and to adhere to His Messenger's salallahu alleyhi wa salam Sunnah, and to be among those whom he blessed in this life and the hearafter.Amin


                "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                The Prophet :saw: said:

                "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                muslim

                Narrated 'Abdullah:

                The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                  I don't believe in your false hadiths. I give up, we will never agree.

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                  • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                    Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
                    I don't believe in your false hadiths. I give up, we will never agree.
                    A hadith is not false because you dont like what it says, and that brother, is the cause of all your depression and social anxiety and misery, disobeying Allah ta ala and his messenger :saw: and rejecting the clear and sahih words of muhammad :saw:
                    "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                    The Prophet :saw: said:

                    "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                    muslim

                    Narrated 'Abdullah:

                    The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                    "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                    By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                    [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                    • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                      Originally posted by `asiya View Post
                      A hadith is not false because you dont like what it says, and that brother, is the cause of all your depression and social anxiety and misery, disobeying Allah ta ala and his messenger :saw: and rejecting the clear and sahih words of muhammad :saw:
                      I'd much rather suffer from depression than believe in nonsense. You are a totally hopeless case, it seems; go grow a beard and expect to be rewarded.
                      Last edited by Argamemnon; 02-08-08, 09:34 PM.

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                      • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                        Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
                        I don't believe in your false hadiths. I give up, we will never agree.
                        so now hadiths are false

                        you are more incorrigible than the wolf
                        .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                        نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                        دولة الإسلامية باقية





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                        • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                          what say you about this AYAT FROM QURAN?


                          "Whoever disobeys the Messenger after guidance has been clarified to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We shall give to him what he deserves and broil him in hell, which is the worst abode." ( An-Nisaa 4:115 )
                          .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                          نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                          دولة الإسلامية باقية





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                          • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                            Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
                            This is a lie. Give me proof. Tell me, are you more knowledgeable than the most respectable Turkish Islamic scholars? People who spend their lives to serve Allah?
                            o hear we go with another turkish islamic scholar joke

                            whats the punchline?

                            are these scholars really teaching you that hadiths are nonsense and beards are not a part of the sunnah?

                            this stuff is really bad within our ummah, we have idiots for scholars and super idiots following them

                            does anyone ever think to read a book, or are your scholars telling you that only they can understand the book, so just listen to what they say?

                            sounds pretty madkhali to me, wait till you get the madkhali muslims in turkey, you aint seen nuttin yet

                            but then again, turks and arabs dont really get along
                            .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                            نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                            دولة الإسلامية باقية





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                            • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                              Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
                              I don't believe in your false hadiths. I give up, we will never agree.
                              Either prove that they're false or accept that you're wrong.
                              The Lyme Disease pandemic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5u73ME4sVU

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                              • Re: how can you have a clean inner when your exterior is in disobedience?

                                Originally posted by Argamemnon View Post
                                I don't believe in your false hadiths. I give up, we will never agree.
                                Its people like you who really annoy me,Im seriously not bothered what the kaafir says......but when muslims come up with such comments its just sad.Why cant we agree??you are talking as if you are from different religion subhanallah.

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