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  • #31
    Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

    Originally posted by RazielTemp View Post
    there is akhi, [B]a Baboon does what it was created for[/B], Summerile doesn't ...

    but I know what you mean akhi, and won't argue with you in this regard ...

    :jkk:
    Of course I do. I'm here irritating you, aren't I?
    Last edited by Lord Summerisle; 15-05-08, 06:59 PM.

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    • #32
      Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

      LS do you even know what shirk is?

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      • #33
        Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

        Originally posted by Omar Mukhtar View Post
        LS do you even know what shirk is?
        Rejecting Allah and worshipping any other God/idol etc.

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        • #34
          Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

          Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
          here, there are only but so many times we are going to discuss "if there is a god" or "is gayness ok" or some of the other things you seem to want to be repetitive

          i dont know about the infracting system, i will leave it up to one of the other mods, but take this is a first warning
          Hey, what's the problem ? if you don't want to discuss the existence of God, then don't. Just let others who are interested take part in the discussion.

          What weird religious forum is this, where you cannot even discuss the existence of God ?

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          • #35
            Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

            what weird posters we have, they see that we do not want to discuss the existence of god and instead of packing up and going elsewhere, they post threads complaining
            .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
            نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
            دولة الإسلامية باقية





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            • #36
              Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

              Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
              what weird posters we have, they see that we do not want to discuss the existence of god and instead of packing up and going elsewhere, they post threads complaining
              OK, you don't want to discuss the existence of God.

              Does this mean that no one here wants to discuss the existence of God ? and, is not allowing to discuss the existence of God official policy on this forum ?

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              • #37
                Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

                Categories of Shirk

                Just as there are different areas of Tawhid, there are also different types of Shirk which all Muslims should take care to avoid.

                Shirk by Association
                This is a denial of Tawhid ar-Rububiyah by means of associating equal or lesser partners to Allah. For example, Hindus worship one creator of the universe named Brahman, but they join him in a trinity with a preserver god named Vishnu, and a destroyer god named Shiva. Another example can be found in christianity, where Allah is joined with the Prophet Isa (AS) and the 'holy spirit' (who is said to exercise Allah's will on earth). Other examples of this type of shirk is found in the Zoroastrian, Yoruba and Zulu faiths, in which a supreme god is joined with lesser deities.

                Shirk by Negation
                This is a denial of Tawhid ar-Rububiyah by means of denying the existence of Allah altogether. Most obviously, this is a sin commited by Atheists and those who follow faiths which deny the existence of Allah, such as Buddhism.

                Shirk by Humanisation
                This is a denial of Tawhid al-Asmaa was-Sifaat by means of giving human attributes to Allah. One example (which was mentioned above) is the biblical notion that Allah feels fatigue, so much so that after He created the universe, He needed to take a rest for an entire day! This is refuted in Ayat Al-Kursi.

                Shirk by Deification
                This is a denial of Tawhid al-Asmaa was-Sifaat by means of giving divine names or attributes to any of Allah's creations. In his book, Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips mentions that during Muhammad's time, there was a false prophet named Yamamah who called himself 'Rahman', a name which only belongs to Allah and can only be used by people if 'Abdul' is prefixed to it.

                Propounders of the evolution theory also commit this error. Darwinists maintain that life emerged from inanimate matter with no divine intervention (in other words, inaminate matter is the Creator of all life!), and that lifeforms are able to transform themselves over time. The evolution theory has been refuted by scientists ever since it first surfaced - Harun Yahya has written a number of excellent books on this subject.

                Ash-Shirk al-Akbar (Major Shirk)
                This is a denial of Tawhid al-'Ibadah in which acts of worship are directed towards others instead of Allah - this can be praying to prophets, saints, celestial objects, idols etc. This is the worst sin anyone can commit is it denies the very reason of our existence

                http://www.bahagia.btinternet.co.uk/tawhid.htm

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                • #38
                  Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

                  The Sufis of the Chishti Qadhiri Tariqa (tradition) have classified Shirk into four categories and have explained them. You cannot learn these things without the guidance of a kamil (perfect) shaikh.

                  The four types of Shirk are:

                  Shirke Ismi or Shirke Jali
                  Shirke Fi’li or Shirke Kafi
                  Shirke vasfi or Shirke Akhfa
                  Shirke Zaathi or Shirke Khafiyyul Akhfa
                  Shirke Ismi or Jali:

                  This is the most dreaded Shirk. It is associating Ghairullah (anything other than Allah) with Allah in worship; accepting Ghairullah as fit to be worshipped or worshipping Ghairullah. One has to be clear of this Shirk to become a Muslim. If a Muslim falls in this Shirk, all his previous good deeds will be wiped off (habthe a’mal). May Allah save us all from this.

                  Shirke fi’li or kafi:

                  This is a latif (delicate) shirk, which most of us do practice, unknowingly. This does not make one a Mushrik , who Allah censures in the Qur’an but, it does deprive the dharajaths (high positions in Allah’s sight) in the path of Sulook (way towards Allah).

                  This Shirk is believing or thinking that Ghairullah can give us profit or loss, victory or defeat, good or bad on their own; believing that a Ghairullah, be it a Prophet or a Vali (friend of Allah) can give us gain or loss or act without the power of Allah.

                  Allah says in the Qur’an, "la hawla wa la quwwatha illa billah" (there is no power other than the one with Allah). Yes, no one can act on their own, whatever their status, except with the power and help of Allah. It is Allah who is helping us to act; even the smallest movement of our fingers is due to Allah providing us His power. The Mu’jizas and Karamath’s (miracles) of the Prophet’s and Awliya are but the manifestation of Allah’s power through them. If anyone thought that they did it on their own, he falls in Shirke Fi’li. In truth, they perform it with the help of Allah. Praying for the sake of Jannath (heaven) or fearing Jahannam (hell) or Riya (acting to satisfy Ghairullah) also come under this category of Shirk.

                  Shirke Vasfi or Akhfa:

                  It is the Shirk that involves the Zaathi Sifath (own characteristics) of Allah. It is thinking or believing that the Ummuhathus Sifath (mother of all characteristics), Hayath, Ilm, Iradha, Khudhrath, sama’ath, basarath and kalam (explained in the article on kalima) that we find in the creatures are their own. They are in fact Allah’s and He has been merciful to manifest them on His creatures. At this point I would like to mention that Allah sees without eyes, hears without ears, speaks without mouth or sound; His action is without movement.

                  This Shirk will hinder the ascension of the salik to higher grades of Makame Kurb (status of nearness to Allah).

                  Shirke Zaathi or Khafiyul Akhfa:

                  Only the great saints and awliya have been saved from this Shirk. It is believing or accepting the very existence of Creatures of their own. They exist only due to the subsistence (ujoodh) of Allah. Creatures are but a form that don’t have anything and Allah supports them with his ujoodh. Shunning from this Shirk is of the very highest grade of Iman (belief) and those who are encompassed in this Shirk are denied the state of Shuhoodh or Ihsan.


                  http://www.geocities.com/athens/Olympus/5352/shirk.htm

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                  • #39
                    Re: Is homosexuality worse than shirk?

                    Originally posted by mamadu View Post
                    OK, you don't want to discuss the existence of God.

                    Does this mean that no one here wants to discuss the existence of God ? and, is not allowing to discuss the existence of God official policy on this forum ?
                    there is no policy where we are not allowed to discuss it

                    the problem comes that WE BELIEVE in a god, and its based upon not only the book but our understanding of the observations around us

                    people who do not believe in a god basically have the understanding that there is no god, and the things around us can be explained other ways

                    the conversation is rather short

                    we can debate it all day long, and if there is ONE thread that discusses it, by all means you can post in it, or make a new ONE

                    but..............we are not going to have someone, on every post, of every thread, when we praise the existence of god, they say.......but there is no god

                    that is a waste of our time and yours

                    so if you do not believe, and we do believe, then there isnt much to say after that, now is there?
                    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                    دولة الإسلامية باقية





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