Ads by Muslim Ad Network

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

sisters saying salaam to non-mahram

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #91
    Re: sisters saying salaam to non-mahram

    i dont say salam to unknown nonmahrams and the only nonmahrams i say salam to is the ones i know really well or if they say it to me. but usually they dont and so i dont either.

    personally i dont think a sister has to feel obliged to reply if its a nonmahram brother i dont see it as a big problem or even disrespect if she doesnt.
    Screaming, But Will Never Be Heard

    Comment


    • #92
      Re: sisters saying salaam to non-mahram

      Originally posted by Kubs View Post
      I would carry a mini army knife but that's illegal apparantely.

      Alhamdulillah I usually don't travel at night but I have uni lectures which finish about 6ish and it's very dark by then.

      My umbrella will do for now......:p
      Well where i live, females if requested can get security to escort them to the stations or walk ways at night. I think thats a great idea. What are you gonna do with a umbrella, poke someone in the eye :D

      Originally posted by GuCcI View Post
      i dont say salam to unknown nonmahrams and the only nonmahrams i say salam to is the ones i know really well or if they say it to me. but usually they dont and so i dont either.

      personally i dont think a sister has to feel obliged to reply if its a nonmahram brother i dont see it as a big problem or even disrespect if she doesnt.
      Yeah cause your boring gucci :p

      If you don't reply back gucci your a kaffir remember that

      no just jk about the kaffir part of course
      Everyone thinks their a scholar because they know how to copy and paste, you get your ummah face on and the second you log out, you know your reality. Anyone can attain knowledge, how many can implement it?

      Comment


      • #93
        Re: sisters saying salaam to non-mahram

        Originally posted by $HugoBoss$ View Post
        Well where i live, females if requested can get security to escort them to the stations or walk ways at night. I think thats a great idea. What are you gonna do with a umbrella, poke someone in the eye :D
        Ahaha you'd be [email protected])
        Give me a clear vision, that I may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless I stand for something, I will fall for anything.

        Comment


        • #94
          Oh dear.....

          Originally posted by Kubs View Post
          Ahaha you'd be [email protected])
          You stop the mugger from getting soaked in the rain masha'allah. :up:

          But then he mugs you of your umbrella too (high and dry in the metaphic sense but not the physical). :(

          Comment


          • #95
            Re: Well.....

            Originally posted by Zesty View Post
            If you find it rude thats your business! For some sisters its simply a question of maintaining their modesty and hayaa. Dont help them then-lol. Even you rely on Allah (swt) for everything, so if its not you, Allah (swt) will make someone else a means to help that person *shrug* no loss :)
            Yes I do find it rude and will think bad of the person. You're entitled to do whatever you like but don't tell us who we should react! And you have no strong evidence to support your choice at all.

            Eermmm did i not already say to you im not speaking about myself and im far from perfect? Ive already said to you that i do return salaams and thats maybe a weakness on my part. I wont return a "salaam" from a brother if i think its inapprpriate and i dont think his intentions are sincere. And yes, i believe there is a way of differentiating- im not going to go into that if you dont mind.
            So, you don't practice what you. You just arguing with no evidence and trying to speak on behaf of others.

            It is impossible to believe that those who don't return the salam do not speak to the shop assistant, to their teachers, to the bus drivers, when they buy their tickets. It just does not make since to me! A women who are more pious than all of you women has stood up and spoken against Umar RA in front of everybody. No need to act like an angle.


            Can you imagine me remaining silent 24/7 :rotfl: Even if i did btw thats not anyones business lol.
            It's not our business but when you make an argument try to be consistent.

            Theyre not harming you in any way are they? You say salaams- mashaAllah your intention is sincere. The sister fears Allah and so doesnt believe it is right to reply (from her understanding of Deen) why cant you just respect that and accept it?
            Sorry, I do not respct this. All the women of today are not better than that women who stood up and spoke against Umar RA. The prophet SAAW said "welcome, Um Hani" after she said salam to him SAAW.

            The last part was in reference to me believing the issue of you saying returning salaams is ok. I think its false. Its NOT an attack on your level of Imaan or anything like that!
            I see! false in its entirety and the one who do it are weak in Iman. Pathetic! You talk with no evidence at all.


            Not at all- i have no right to question your Imaan, that is between you and Allah. So if you have taken the wording of that wrongly then again i apologise for not being more articulate in what i wished to express.
            It's not the wording, it is what exactly you meant to say!!
            I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove Saudi.:inlove::inlove::inlove: I truely dooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.:) :) :)

            Comment


            • #96
              Re: sisters saying salaam to non-mahram

              Originally posted by insomniac View Post
              ok watch the BBC drama versions - more thorough and more in line with the book :up:

              I saw the Kiera Knightley version first too and liked it - but after having seen the BBC drama version I prefer it much more (it's 2 disc by the way)
              Staying on topic, yay, somebody finally agrees! The BBC one is much much better - The film is just crassly done...too much focus on style over content.
              ...sermons from this minbar come with tongue planted quite firmly in cheek.


              "Let your boat of life be light, packed with only what you need -
              a homely home and simple pleasures, one or two friends,
              worth the name, someone to love and someone to love you,
              a cat, a dog, and a pipe or two, enough to eat and enough to wear,
              and a little more than enough to drink; for thirst is a dangerous thing."

              -- Jerome K. Jerome
              (Three Men in a Boat)

              Comment


              • #97
                Evidence.....

                Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                Yes I do find it rude and will think bad of the person. You're entitled to do whatever you like but don't tell us who we should react! And you have no strong evidence to support your choice at all.
                So, you don't practice what you. You just arguing with no evidence and trying to speak on behaf of others.
                Actually the sister mentioned hayyah being her reason- do you need dalil for maintaining hayyah?

                But if its evidence you want see:
                Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                It is offensive for a male to speak without need to a young woman who is not a member of his unmarriageable kin. He should not say “Arhamkum Allah” (Allah have mercy on you) if she sneezes, greet her with “as-Salamu 'alaykum” (which is unlawful in the Shafi'i school) nor return her Salams if she says them (which is offensive for Shafi'is). He should not say these aloud, but to himself, all of which likewise holds for a young woman's speaking to a man who is not a member of her unmarriageable kin. The prohibition of these is due to the Prophet's having said (Allah bless him and give him peace),

                “The adultery of the tongue is speech.”

                Ahmad ibn Lulu ibn al-Naqib from Umdat al- Salik (Reliance of the Traveller)
                Last edited by Fudhayl; 22-01-08, 08:18 PM.

                Comment


                • #98
                  Re: Saudia.....

                  Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                  Oh great you do not agree alhamdulillah.

                  So just because a sister did not reply to your salaam due to justifiable reasons as you are a non-mahram brother who should not even have orchestrated the salaam in the first place you would not assist her should ever the need arise :lahawla:, and we call ourselves 'brothers' do we?
                  No I doubt this socalled brotherhood!


                  This hadith is specific to whom? Rasul (saw), who was Rasul (saw) in comparison to other menfolk?

                  Was there even doubt or concern levied by any fool that he like other men would ever be tempted or would ever salaam any female with bad desires? No.

                  Would he thereby fall prey to women giving salaam with alterior motives in mind? No.

                  Khalas, case dismissed.
                  This even more pathetic. The prophet SAAW set rules for his Ummah. Tell me why did he refuse to shake hand with a woman? If we were to go by your logic, he SAAW shouldn't have refused!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  We however are of those who may sin in thought and action thereby Saudi Princes should not give salaam nor return salaam of the Saudi Princesses unless a need necessitates this to keep away from evil and paths to temptation.
                  I don't buy this rubbish.

                  This is a need, thereby the sisters are permitted to speak to male assistants in shops and reply to their salaam.

                  If they do not shop for food they will die thereby it is permitted.
                  If they do not shop for clothing they cannot maintain covering.
                  Etc.
                  No need for that. She can stay at home and her husband can get everything for her!
                  I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove Saudi.:inlove::inlove::inlove: I truely dooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.:) :) :)

                  Comment


                  • #99
                    Re: Oh dear.....

                    Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                    You stop the mugger from getting soaked in the rain masha'allah. :up:

                    But then he mugs you of your umbrella too. :(
                    Whack. Kick. Spray. Stun.

                    If that doesn't severely damage him, then I don't know what will :o
                    Last edited by Kubs; 22-01-08, 08:32 PM.
                    Give me a clear vision, that I may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless I stand for something, I will fall for anything.

                    Comment


                    • Re: Evidence.....

                      Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                      Actually the sister mentioned hayyah being her reason- do you need dalil for maintaining hayyah?

                      But if its evidence you want see:
                      This has nothing to do with haya. It's called arguing for no reason! And if I were to agree then this haya should be maintained 24/7 and not disappear in supermarkets.
                      I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove Saudi.:inlove::inlove::inlove: I truely dooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.:) :) :)

                      Comment


                      • Re: Evidence.....

                        Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                        This has nothing to do with haya. It's called arguing for no reason! And if I were to agree then this haya should be maintained 24/7 and not disappear in supermarkets.
                        everyone seems to argue with you....or maybe it's you arguing with everyone :confused: :S
                        :up: Sponsor the 20 mile walk for Children of Chechnya! :up:


                        http://www.ilovepalestine.com/campai...imesinGaza.gif

                        Comment


                        • Ajeeb....

                          Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                          No I doubt this socalled brotherhood!
                          :scratch: Why are you dying to be salaamed by sisters for and why are you getting upset at the thought that sisters will not reply to your royal salaam?

                          If they avoid brothers so as not to salaam them masha'allah, why then not assist them should they need anything just because they did not instigate salaam or return it? Is that even permitted? Where is your evidence?

                          If you want 'brotherhood' stick to gatherings of Muslim males the go salaam them until you can salaam no more. Put on that flash red and white Saudi scarf and splash on some ittr and smile and wink at the bros if you want.
                          Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                          This even more pathetic. The prophet SAAW set rules for his Ummah. Tell me why did he refuse to shake hand with a woman? If we were to go by your logic, he SAAW shouldn't have refused!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          :scratch: My logic does not permit sisters to salaam or reply to non-mahram and for brothers and sisters to avoid unecessarily talk to one another.

                          So how on earth if it stops there would my logic then even move to a brother coming close a sister let alone shaking her hands.

                          Are you a super slick operator who smiles and salaams sisters then quickly moves in for a handshake all in a smooth Saudi 'Prince' style on them single Saudi 'Princesses'?
                          Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                          I don't buy this rubbish.
                          Of course not you send the wife packing to go shopping for the palace of yours so she can salaam every man she sees.
                          Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                          No need for that. She can stay at home and her husband can get everything for her!
                          So Mr. Saudi 'Prince' tries on womens clothing in department stores so as to be sure it fits Mrs Saudi 'Princess' perfectly? What an excuse.
                          Originally posted by Saudi Prince View Post
                          This has nothing to do with haya. It's called arguing for no reason! And if I were to agree then this haya should be maintained 24/7 and not disappear in supermarkets.
                          This has got everything to do with hayyah as the sister has stated that to be her reason.

                          Which sister are you now accusing of somehow not having hayyah in supermarkets? Lower you gaze and stop following them trying to salaam each Muslimah you see.
                          Last edited by Fudhayl; 22-01-08, 08:42 PM.

                          Comment


                          • Re: Ajeeb....

                            SP- You are talking nonsense :hidban: Im not going to give you a reaction and im also not going to justufy my claims because as far as i am aware i have given more than enough reason to back up everything i have said.
                            As far as implementing and putting into practice everything we believe in- it comes with time and hidayah inshaAllah. None of us are perfect but we can atleast try. Just because i agree that something is right but unfortunately dont yet have the ability or strength within my own character to implement that in my life doesnt mean im going to deny that it should be done and it is right

                            I'll give you another example... many muslim females know that Hijab is fard- it is not contested, it is a law set by Allah (swt), Its not your choice and you dont get to have an opinion in that (does that sit ok with you btw) YET a number of muslim females dont wear hijab due to various factors ranging from social, cultural and whatever other reasons they come up with. This does not mean they deny that it is fard!

                            Why are you so interested in saying salaam to muslimahs anyway? :confused: If you say salaam and they reply then good for you and if you say salaam and they dont respond then thats up to them! I mean we cant like everyone can we? Even when they are as charming as you :D :hidban: (its a joke- incase you feel the need to become pedantic and throw another tantrum).
                            *~* Learn Patience from Aasiyah (RA); Loyalty from Khadhija (RA); Sincerity from Aisha (RA) and Steadfastness from Fatima (RA).*~*

                            Comment


                            • Re: Ajeeb....

                              Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                              :scratch: Why are you dying to be salaamed by sisters for and why are you getting upset at the thought that sisters will not reply to your royal salaam?

                              If they avoid brothers so as not to salaam them masha'allah, why then not assist them should they need anything just because they did not instigate salaam or return it? Is that even permitted? Where is your evidence?

                              If you want 'brotherhood' stick to gatherings of Muslim males the go salaam them until you can salaam no more. Put on that flash red and white Saudi scarf and splash on some ittr and smile and wink at the bros if you want.

                              :scratch: My logic does not permit sisters to salaam or reply to non-mahram and for brothers and sisters to avoid unecessarily talk to one another.

                              So how on earth if it stops there would my logic then even move to a brother coming close a sister let alone shaking her hands.

                              Are you a super slick operator who smiles and salaams sisters then quickly moves in for a handshake all in a smooth Saudi 'Prince' style on them single Saudi 'Princesses'?

                              Of course not you send the wife packing to go shopping for the palace of yours so she can salaam every man she sees.

                              So Mr. Saudi 'Prince' tries on womens clothing in department stores so as to be sure it fits Mrs Saudi 'Princess' perfectly? What an excuse.

                              This has got everything to do with hayyah as the sister has stated that to be her reason.

                              Which sister are you now accusing of somehow not having hayyah in supermarkets? Lower you gaze and stop following them trying to salaam each Muslimah you see.
                              I said to him Um Hani RA said salam to the prophet SAAW and he replied and said 'welcome, Umm Hani' then he went but the prophet SAAW is different! Nobody is as good as him SAAW! Then I said OK tell me why he SAAW didn't shake hand with the woman who tried to shake hand with him SAAW? The prophet SAAW was still the best of mankind but the guy did not reply....he started talking rubbish!
                              I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove Saudi.:inlove::inlove::inlove: I truely dooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.:) :) :)

                              Comment


                              • Re: Ajeeb....

                                Originally posted by Zesty View Post
                                SP- You are talking nonsense :hidban: Im not going to give you a reaction and im also not going to justufy my claims because as far as i am aware i have given more than enough reason to back up everything i have said.
                                The hadith of the prophet SAAW is nonsense when you can't argue against it!!!

                                As far as implementing and putting into practice everything we believe in- it comes with time and hidayah inshaAllah. None of us are perfect but we can atleast try. Just because i agree that something is right but unfortunately dont yet have the ability or strength within my own character to implement that in my life doesnt mean im going to deny that it should be done and it is right
                                You don't practice it and you don't even have the evidence to support it! Silly!

                                Why are you so interested in saying salaam to muslimahs anyway? :confused: If you say salaam and they reply then good for you and if you say salaam and they dont respond then thats up to them! I mean we cant like everyone can we? Even when they are as charming as you :D :hidban: (its a joke- incase you feel the need to become pedantic and throw another tantrum).
                                Why do you want to walk pass by someone like a piece of furnitue? Muslims should say salam to each others.

                                If you don't return salam then I must imagine that you do not speak to any non-mahram at all in shops, in the bus, in the airports and everywhere. Every tiny thing has to be done by your mahram!! Is this Islam?

                                Anyway, I consider anyone who does not return my salam to be disrespectful. This is how I will always view it.
                                Last edited by Saudi Prince; 22-01-08, 09:51 PM.
                                I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove Saudi.:inlove::inlove::inlove: I truely dooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.:) :) :)

                                Comment

                                Collapse

                                Edit this module to specify a template to display.

                                Working...
                                X