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    المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


    Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti states in Tafsir Jalalayn, Surah Ma'idah, Ayat 15: قد جآءكم من الله نور(هو النبى صلى الله عليه و سلم) و كتٰب (قراٰن) مبين
    "(بے شک تمہارے پاس اللہ کی طرف سے ایک نور آیا، (یعنی رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم)، اور روشن کتاب، (یعنی قرآن."

    "There has verily come to you from Allah a light, (namely رسول الله ﷺ), and a book, (The Qur'an), lucid, plain and manifest."
    Last edited by Sunni Ashrafi; 30-11-20, 08:11 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Sunni Ashrafi View Post
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      المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


      Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti states in Tafsir Jalalayn, Surah Ma'idah, Ayat 15: قد جآءكم من الله نور(هو النبى صلى الله عليه و سلم) و كتٰب (قراٰن) مبين
      "(بے شک تمہارے پاس اللہ کی طرف سے ایک نور آیا، (یعنی رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم)، اور روشن کتاب، (یعنی قرآن."

      "There has verily come to you from Allah a light, (namely رسول الله ﷺ), and a book, (The Qur'an), lucid, plain and manifest."
      Imam al-Tabari (d. 310 AH) also unterstood the "Nur" (light) mentioned in the Aya 5:15 as referring to our Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) as he stated in his Tafsir:

      القول فـي تأويـل قوله تعالـى: { قَدْ جاءَكُمْ مِنَ الله نُورٌ وكِتابٌ مُبِـينٌ }. يقول جلّ ثناؤه لهؤلاء الذين خاطبهم من أهل الكتاب: قد جاءكم يا أهل التوراة والإنـجيـل من الله نور، يعنـي بـالنور مـحمداً صلى الله عليه وسلم، الذي أنار الله به الـحقّ، وأظهر به الإسلام، ومـحق به الشرك فهو نور لـمن استنار به يبـين الـحقّ، ومن إنارته الـحقّ تبـيـينه للـيهود كثـيراً مـما كانوا يخفون من الكتاب
      - end of quote -

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      • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

        Imam al-Tabari (d. 310 AH) also understood the "Nur" (light) mentioned in the Aya 5:15 as referring to our Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) as he stated in his Tafsir:

        القول فـي تأويـل قوله تعالـى: { قَدْ جاءَكُمْ مِنَ الله نُورٌ وكِتابٌ مُبِـينٌ }. يقول جلّ ثناؤه لهؤلاء الذين خاطبهم من أهل الكتاب: قد جاءكم يا أهل التوراة والإنـجيـل من الله نور، يعنـي بـالنور مـحمداً صلى الله عليه وسلم، الذي أنار الله به الـحقّ، وأظهر به الإسلام، ومـحق به الشرك فهو نور لـمن استنار به يبـين الـحقّ، ومن إنارته الـحقّ تبـيـينه للـيهود كثـيراً مـما كانوا يخفون من الكتاب
        - end of quote -
        It is always amazing for me that some reject these things because they see it as some kind of emotional over-exaggeration regarding RasulAllah Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam. Rather our beliefs are fully in comport with reason and what is befitting of the Prophets Alayhim Salam and our beliefs are based off of authentic Hadith and the interpretations of the Sunni Scholars of Tafsir upon the Qur'an. They have been held by Sunni scholars and laymen alike since the earliest times.

        For the ones who reject these sorts of things as exaggeration, I feel they made their mind up before coming to the Dalil.

        Showing love and respect to the Prophets Alayhim Salam, not insulting them nor deifying them.

        We are not like the Jews nor are we like the Christians. We do not insult the Prophets Alayhim Salam like the Jews, nor do we deify the Prophets Alayhim Salam like the Christians, rather we recognise the Prophets Alayhim Salam as the best and most noble of Allah's slaves and yes that includes attributing miracles to them. The hearts of the Jews were hard and so we can say that Allah Azza Wa Jal sent Isa Alayhis Salam performing great miracles before them for they used to reject such things of the Prophets Alayhim Salam and disrespect them.

        Of course some of them went to the other extreme and we see this amongst the Muslims too - there are indeed Muslim Jews and Muslim Christians.

        We should be neither.

        We love the Prophets Alayhim Salam and do not deny the miracles and blessing that surrounded them that Allah caused and decreed to prove their truthfulness. Allah bestowed of them knowledge of the unseen as much as he willed, and he knows the end of their knowledge at any time. The Prophets Alayhim Salam are praying in their graves and that is a miracle of Allah. Allah Azza Wa Jal even sends angels who convey to RasulAllah Sallahu Alayhi Wa Salam our deeds and affairs - and Allah is capable of all things.

        Nor do we deny the minor miracles (Karamat) of the Awliya. There are so many Hadith regarding believers prior to the time of RasulAllah Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam who performed Karamat by Allah's will, so will you deny those after the time of the Prophet Alayhis Salam? The story of Jurayj and of the boy who they accused of Magic are just some examples found in the most authentic collections of Hadith.

        Subhanallah I have hope that things are changing and that the Muslims are leaving these two false mindsets for the one true mindset that a Muslim should have.

        We must be willing to die to defend the honor of RasulAllah Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam (within the bounds of the Sharia of course - we do not take judicial matters into our own hands).

        Ishq - The Extreme Love and Desire for Allah

        Yet our love for any creation - including the Jewel of the creations - is not as our love for Allah - for our love for Allah is an absolute and controlling love to the point we love him so much that we worship Him, enslave ourselves to Him, obey any and every command of his relayed by His beloved Messenger Alayhis Salam with fanatical obedience (until like Ibrahim Alayhis Salam we are willing to kill our very children without hesitation if he asks). So strong is our love for Allah that it transcends the intimacy that we call 'love' between the spouses - our love for Allah is more pure and stronger than that. Our love for Allah is the love that kills, and the love that one can only have in their heart for One only. We are obsessed with him.

        Allah is the one who covers us and clothes us and feeds us and takes care of us throughout our lives, and shows incomparable mercy to us of which one of the only parables is the love of a nursing mother for her child she carried in her womb. He takes care of the believer and even the disbeliever in this world. He is our only refuge in times of distress. He is the only one who can truly help us at any time.

        Even if he did none of the above things he would still be worthy of our love and worship. Even if he threw us in Jahannam, making no test in the Dunya, we would still love him and desire his Wajh. No injustice can be ascribed to him, he is the sole Judge and determiner of good and bad. We love his decree whatever it is and do not question it. Exalted is Allah above being questioned.

        As the true Sufi Nizamuddin Awliya says, we do all things for the sole sake of Allah Azza Wa Jal.

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        So may Allah increase us in our love of the Prophets and in our love of al-Khatim an-Nabiyyin Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam especially. No one has Iman until he loves the Prophet Alayhis Salatu Was-Salam more than his parents and children and the whole of mankind. And we love the Prophets Alayhim Salam including Him Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam and our brothers and the creatures all for the sake of Allah the Most High.

        A practical way we can act on this is to increase in our Salawat. We should try and make it a regular occurance (even a small amount) after Salah if we have time/aren't busy due to work etc.

        May Allah make us the people of action and not mere speech.

        Amir ul-Muminin Sayyiduna Ali KarramAllahu Wajhah said,
        "Mahma tasawwarta bi-balik, fallahu bi-khilaf dhalik,"
        Whatever comes into your mind, Allah is other than that,

        Al-Aqeedah Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (Riwayah Abu Bakr al-Khallal),
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        • We worship none but Allah, the sole Lord and King all that exist and can exist, the sole God and there cannot even possibly exist any god or deity besides, and Muhammad Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam is His blessed slave, creation and messenger who He blesses as He wills.
          Amir ul-Muminin Sayyiduna Ali KarramAllahu Wajhah said,
          "Mahma tasawwarta bi-balik, fallahu bi-khilaf dhalik,"
          Whatever comes into your mind, Allah is other than that,

          Al-Aqeedah Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (Riwayah Abu Bakr al-Khallal),
          1/116

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          • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

            Respected brother, let us please ONLY consider scholarly statements when discussing and not what laymen say or do not say.


            Regarding the issue of Bashar and Nur:

            No one doubts that the Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - was a human being, otherwise it would make no sense to say that he's from Banu Hashim and that his noble lineage goes back to Ibrahim, 'alayhil salatu wal salam.

            This however does not exclude him - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - being light (Nur) at the same time.

            This is a position that exists even among the early Muslims (like in the Tafsir of Imam al-Tustari (d. 283 AH)).

            If a person now doesn't support this position based upon not finding convincing evidence, then this in itself is not problematic.

            What is however problematic is if this person doesn't know the proper decorum when mentioning the Chosen One - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and claims that "he's a human being LIKE US".
            How can it be claimed that our Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - is "LIKE US", when Allah ta'ala has sent him as the Seal of all Messengers and Prophets - peace and blessings be upon him - and has honored him with all kind of miracles?!


            Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala states regarding the disbelievers:

            { مَا يَأْتِيهِم مِّن ذِكْرٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِم مُّحْدَثٍ إِلَّا اسْتَمَعُوهُ وَهُمْ يَلْعَبُونَ }
            { اهِيَةً قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَأَسَرُّوا النَّجْوَى الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا هَلْ هَـٰذَا إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ ۖ أَفَتَأْتُونَ السِّحْرَ وَأَنتُمْ تُبْصِرُونَ }

            { No mention comes to them anew from their Lord except that they listen to it while they are at play }
            { With their hearts distracted. And those who do wrong conceal their private conversation, [saying], "Is this [Prophet] except a human being like you? So would you approach magic while you are aware [of it]?" }

            [Al-Qur`an al-karim 21:2-3 with English interpretation]

            And He states:

            { وَاضْرِبْ لَهُم مَّثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ }
            { إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا إِلَيْكُم مُّرْسَلُونَ }
            { قَالُوا مَا أَنتُمْ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا وَمَا أَنزَلَ الرَّحْمَـٰنُ مِن شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا تَكْذِبُونَ }

            { And present to them an example: the people of the city, when the messengers came to it - }
            { When We sent to them two but they denied them, so We strengthened them with a third, and they said, "Indeed, we are messengers to you." }
            { They said, "You are not but human beings like us, and the Most Merciful has not revealed a thing. You are only telling lies." }

            [Al-Qur`an al-karim 36:13-15 with English interpretation]


            So acting as if the Messengers and Prophets of Allah - peace and blessings be upon them all - are like the rest of humans is from the way of the disbelievers and it's not befitting of a Muslim to follow the way of the disbelievers!

            We've a number of ayat where the Prophet says that He is bashar like us, the Quran also tells about other Messengers who said the same.

            Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that your Ilâh (God) is One Ilâh (God - i.e. Allâh). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (18:110)

            Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم):"I am only a human being like you. It is revealed to me that your Ilâh (God) is One Ilâh (God - Allâh), therefore take Straight Path to Him (with true Faith - Islâmic Monotheism) and obedience to Him, and seek forgiveness of Him. And woe to Al-Mushrikûn (the polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh).(41:6)

            Their Messengers said: "What! Can there be a doubt about Allâh, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? He calls you (to Monotheism and to be obedient to Allâh) that He may forgive you of your sins and give you respite for a term appointed." They said: “You are only human beings like us; you want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship, so bring us an evident manifestation.”

            Their Messengers said to them: "We are no more than human beings like you, but Allâh bestows His Grace to whom He wills of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you an authority (proof) except by the Permission of Allâh. And in Allâh (Alone) let the believers put their trust. (14:10-11)

            Since the Messengers and Prophets of Allah affirm that they're bashar like us how can we then claim otherwise ?

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            • Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle View Post
              Since the Messengers and Prophets of Allah affirm that they're bashar like us how can we then claim otherwise ?
              What the Prophets - peace be upon them - intended and what the disbelievers intended is not the same. The point here is not to deny the Prophets - peace be upon them - to be human beings.

              It's not befitting of a believer to act as if the Messengers of God - peace be upon them - are mere human beings and no different than us. The Ahadith connected to al-Isra` wal Mi'raj are more than enough to show that the Prophets and Messengers of God - peace be upon them - are different than us.

              Another point: The Prophets - peace be upon them - are humble. This should be taken into consideration.

              Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle View Post
              Their Messengers said: "What! Can there be a doubt about Allâh, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? He calls you (to Monotheism and to be obedient to Allâh) that He may forgive you of your sins and give you respite for a term appointed." They said: “You are only human beings like us; you want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship, so bring us an evident manifestation.”

              Their Messengers said to them: "We are no more than human beings like you, but Allâh bestows His Grace to whom He wills of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you an authority (proof) except by the Permission of Allâh. And in Allâh (Alone) let the believers put their trust. (14:10-11)
              Note that the disbelievers mentioned in the above Aya were trying to claim that there is nothing special about the Messengers, peace be upon them.
              The Messengers - peace be upon them - affirmed to be human beings, but also clarified how Allah ta'ala had bestowed them with His Grace.

              The result is that the Messengers - peace be upon them - are special and that the disbelievers have lied in their claim that there is nothing special about them.
              Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 01-12-20, 04:48 PM.

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              • Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle
                Since the Messengers and Prophets of Allah affirm that they're bashar like us how can we then claim otherwise ?
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                المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                When you can cause the setting Sun to return back to the East, and split the Moon with just a gesture, then talk about how رسول الله is just a 'bashar like us'. Learn to speak about your Prophet with respect.

                سورج الٹے پاؤں پلٹے چاند اشارے سے ہو چاک
                اندھے نجدی دیکھ لے قدرت رسول اللہ کی
                Last edited by Sunni Ashrafi; 01-12-20, 05:56 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

                  What the Prophets - peace be upon them - intended and what the disbelievers intended is not the same. The point here is not to deny the Prophets - peace be upon them - to be human beings.

                  It's not befitting of a believer to act as if the Messengers of God - peace be upon them - are mere human beings and no different than us. The Ahadith connected to al-Isra` wal Mi'raj are more than enough to show that the Prophets and Messengers of God - peace be upon them - are different than us.

                  Brother no one here is denying the special status of the Prophets of Allah peace be upon them, rather the issue of contention is about the choice of words to describe them. The Prophets and Messengers of God - peace be upon them are without a doubt different than us but they are still human.



                  Another point: The Prophets - peace be upon them - are humble. This should be taken into consideration.



                  Note that the disbelievers mentioned in the above Aya were trying to claim that there is nothing special about the Messengers, peace be upon them.
                  The Messengers - peace be upon them - affirmed to be human beings, but also clarified how Allah ta'ala had bestowed them with His Grace.

                  The result is that the Messengers - peace be upon them - are special and that the disbelievers have lied in their claim that there is nothing special about them.
                  Brother no one here is denying the special status of the Prophets of Allah peace be upon them, rather the issue of contention is about the choice of words to describe them. The Prophets and Messengers of God peace be upon them are without a doubt different than us but they are still human. In your quote above you stated that

                  What is however problematic is if this person doesn't know the proper decorum when mentioning the Chosen One - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and claims that "he's a human being LIKE US".

                  Yet we have ayah from the Quran stating explicitly that Prophets peace be upon them are bashar like us ? how can it be problematic to use those exact words when it's affirmed in the Quran ? Affirming that the Prophets peace be upon them are bashar like us does not lead to negation of their special status unless one holds such a belief.

                  When the Prophets peace be upon them affirm that they are bashar just like the disbelievers what does this mean ? What exactly are they affirming ?

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                  • Originally posted by Sunni Ashrafi View Post

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                    المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                    When you can cause the setting Sun to return back to the East, and split the Moon with just a gesture, then talk about how رسول الله is just a 'bashar like us'. Learn to speak about your Prophet with respect.

                    سورج الٹے پاؤں پلٹے چاند اشارے سے ہو چاک
                    اندھے نجدی دیکھ لے قدرت رسول اللہ کی

                    Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that your Ilâh (God) is One Ilâh (God - i.e. Allâh). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (18:110)

                    The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is affirming that He is bashar like us why should we not affirm it ? What is forcing you not to affirm it ?



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                    • Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle View Post

                      Brother no one here is denying the special status of the Prophets of Allah peace be upon them, rather the issue of contention is about the choice of words to describe them. The Prophets and Messengers of God peace be upon them are without a doubt different than us but they are still human. In your quote above you stated that

                      What is however problematic is if this person doesn't know the proper decorum when mentioning the Chosen One - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and claims that "he's a human being LIKE US".

                      Yet we have ayah from the Quran stating explicitly that Prophets peace be upon them are bashar like us ? how can it be problematic to use those exact words when it's affirmed in the Quran ? Affirming that the Prophets peace be upon them are bashar like us does not lead to negation of their special status unless one holds such a belief.

                      When the Prophets peace be upon them affirm that they are bashar just like the disbelievers what does this mean ? What exactly are they affirming ?
                      What the statement of the Prophets - peace be upon them - means is that they're also from the offspring of Adam (peace be upon him). This is the "likeness" that they affirmed (see the books of Tafsir).

                      As for the disbelievers, then they intended more than that as it's obvious. They were trying to say that "there is nothing special about you and you have not received revelation".

                      As for no one trying to the deny the special status of the Prophets of Allah (peace be upon them):
                      Najdis and their likes try quite hard to deny them - 'alayhim afdhal al-salat wal salam - their status to the degree that in their mindset one should [only] respect them as one respects one's elder brothers - which is explicitly stated in the worthless work Taqwiyatul Iman - and any respect beyond that is directly called as "Shirk" by them. I have no respect for such a mindset nor is it befitting of a believer to have such a mindset.

                      The respect and love that one should have for the Chosen One - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - should be such that one is ready to sacrifice whatever is dear to one (including one's own self!) to him, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam.
                      Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 01-12-20, 09:28 PM.

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                      • I would like to add the following:

                        It's reported in the Sahihyan (i.e. Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim) that the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - stated "Don't make distinction amongst the Prophets of Allah." ("لاَ تُفَضِّلُوا بَيْنَ أَنْبِيَاءِ اللَّهِ") until the statement "I do not say that anyone is more excellent than Yunus son of Matta (peace he upon him)" ("وَلاَ أَقُولُ إِنَّ أَحَدًا أَفْضَلُ مِنْ يُونُسَ بْنِ مَتَّى عَلَيْهِ السَّلاَمُ").

                        Yet we know that our Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - is the best among the creation. So the above statement can be explained by the humbleness that is one of the Prophetic attributes.

                        As for how we should describe him, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam:
                        As the Master of the children of Adam (peace be upon him), the Best of Creation, the Seal of Prophets and Messengers, the Chosen One and as the Messenger of Allah and His Servant.
                        Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 01-12-20, 10:12 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

                          What the statement of the Prophets - peace be upon them - means is that they're also from the offspring of Adam (peace be upon him). This is the "likeness" that they affirmed (see the books of Tafsir).

                          As for the disbelievers, then they intended more than that as it's obvious. They were trying to say that "there is nothing special about you and you have not received revelation".

                          As for no one trying to the deny the special status of the Prophets of Allah (peace be upon them):
                          Najdis and their likes try quite hard to deny them - 'alayhim afdhal al-salat wal salam - their status to the degree that in their mindset one should [only] respect them as one respects one's elder brothers - which is explicitly stated in the worthless work Taqwiyatul Iman - and any respect beyond that is directly called as "Shirk" by them. I have no respect for such a mindset nor is it befitting of a believer to have such a mindset.

                          The respect and love that one should have for the Chosen One - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - should be such that one is ready to sacrifice whatever is dear to one (including one's own self!) to him, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam.

                          Now when a muslim affirms that the Prophets peace be upon them are bashar like us this is different than what the disbelievers intended, wouldn't you agree ? Furthermore affirming this belief using the exact same words as described in the Quran ie "bashar like you " can not be problematic wouldn't you agree as well ? The problem arises how it's then interpreted and used as evidence to support the claims different groups are making. This here is what needs to be tackled so as to avoid transgressing limits, otherwise we risk committing the same mistakes as those we're trying to correct.






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                          • Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle View Post
                            Now when a muslim affirms that the Prophets peace be upon them are bashar like us this is different than what the disbelievers intended, wouldn't you agree ? Furthermore affirming this belief using the exact same words as described in the Quran ie "bashar like you " can not be problematic wouldn't you agree as well ? The problem arises how it's then interpreted and used as evidence to support the claims different groups are making. This here is what needs to be tackled so as to avoid transgressing limits, otherwise we risk committing the same mistakes as those we're trying to correct.
                            I understand your point.

                            The thing is when someone is saying to you "The Prophet gave the message and died. Do not call him light! He's a human being like us! Like me and you! You're not allowed to visit his grave. You're not allowed to perform Tawassul through him unto our Lord. There is no benefit in this, but there maybe benefit in asking from a living person. The one performing the Adhan should not send Salawat on him after completing the Adhan. He's dead and he does not know what happens to his nation! Do not hold gatherings in the remembrance of his birth or al-Isra` wal Mi'raj or any other specified day concerning him. Do not show too much respect, for it could be polytheism! Do not read the poetry of the scholars of the past that were written in his praise, for they contain greater polytheism! Many of his nation were upon polytheism! Even the Arabian peninsula was full of polytheism! Until Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab came and he - by the help of God - cleansed it from Shirk!...", then his statement "he's a human being like us" gets a completely different connotation.

                            The Messengers of Allah - peace be upon them - affirmed being humans "like their opponents" out of humbleness (meaning: we're also from the children of Adam - peace be upon him - like you), but clarified at the very same time that they had received revelation from their Lord (and this differentiates them from the rest of humandkind!). So the result is that they are superior to their opponents and to the rest of humankind.
                            Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 01-12-20, 11:00 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

                              I understand your point.

                              The thing is when someone is saying to you "The Prophet gave the message and died. He's a human being like us. Do not call him light! You're not allowed to visit his grave. You're not allowed to perform Tawassul through him unto our Lord. The one performing the Adhan should not send Salawat on him after completing the Adhan. He's dead and he does not know what happens to his nation! Do not hold gatherings in the remembrance of his birth or al-Isra` wal Mi'raj or any other specified day concerning him. Do not show too much respect, for it could be polytheism! Do not read the poetry of the scholars of the past that were written in his praise, for they contain greater polytheism! Many of his nation were upon polytheism! Even the Arabian peninsula was full of polytheism! Until Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab came and he - by the help of God - cleansed it from Shirk!...", then his statement "he's a human being like us" gets a completely different connotation.

                              The Messengers of Allah - peace be upon them - affirmed being humans "like their opponents" out of humbleness (meaning: we're also from the children of Adam - peace be upon him - like you), but clarified at the very same time that they had received revelation from their Lord (and this differentiates them from the rest of humandkind!). So the result is that they are superior to their opponents and to the rest of humankind.
                              I agree with you that it takes a different meaning when described in such a manner but sometimes we need to take a step back and put things into perspective as circumstances change continuously. Having that break makes us to look at things more clearly and results in a better engagement with the subject at hand, most importantly it highlights where our biases stem from, creating a more in depth outlook in our approach.

                              May Allah forgive us for our shortcomings and keep us steadfast

                              اللهم امين

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                              • Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle View Post
                                Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that your Ilâh (God) is One Ilâh (God - i.e. Allâh). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (18:110)
                                The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is affirming that He is bashar like us why should we not affirm it ? What is forcing you not to affirm it ?
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                                المستغاث الا حضرت ال
                                له تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله

                                There is a difference between saying that رسول الله is 'a Bashar' and 'A Bashar like us'. No-one denies that رسول الله was physically present on this Earth in the form of a Bashar. Ala Hazrat gives a translation for Surah Kahf, Ayat 110, in Kanzul Imaan: قل انمآ انا بشر مثلكم 'Proclaim, "Physically I am a Human * like you." *Human but not equal to you, in fact the greatest in spiritual status.'
                                The translation made by Ala Hazrat explains how
                                رسول الله is a Bashar in physical form, but that does not mean that رسول الله is a 'bashar like us', rather رسول الله is higher than all Creation in every aspect.

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