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A Critique of Husam al-Haramayn: How a fatwa split the Ummah

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    المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


    Khalil Ahmad Ambethwi states in Baraheen-e-Qati'ah, p.55:

    از علم و عقل ہے الحاص غور کرنا چاہئے کہ شیطان و ملک الموت کا حال دیکہکر علم محیط زمین کا فخرعالم کو خلاف نصوص قطعیہ کے دلائل محض قیاس فاسدہ سے ثابت کرنا شرک نہیں تو کونسا ایمان کا حصہ ہے شیطان اور ملک الموت کو یہ وسعت نص سے ثابت ہوئی فخر عالم کی وسعت علم کی کونسی نص قطعی ہے


    "Keeping knowledge and common sense in mind, one should consider the following: after seeing the condition of Shaytan and Malak-ul-Maut, if to then try to prove the Unseen Knowledge of the Holy Prophet from the Qur’an and Hadith isn’t Shirk, then what part of Imaan is it? The Unseen Knowledge of Shaytan and Malak-ul-Maut is supported by the Qur’an and Hadith, what evidence is there in the Qur’an and Hadith to prove the existence of the Unseen Knowledge of the Holy Prophet ?"
    Last edited by Sunni Ashrafi; 26-11-20, 12:19 PM.

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      المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


      Rashid Ahmad Gangohi states in Fatawa Rasheediya, vol. 2, p. 12:

      لفظ رحمة للعالمین صفت خاصہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم کی نہیں ہے بلکہ دیگر اولیاء و انبیا اور علماء ربانیین بھی موجب رحمت عالم ہوتے ہیں


      The title ‘Mercy to all the Worlds’ is not a unique attribute of the Holy Prophet , in fact Saints and Prophets and righteous ‘Ulama are also a cause of bringing mercy to the World ( and can therefore also be referred to as 'Mercy to all the Worlds.’)

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        المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


        Qasim Nanotwi states in Tahzeer-un-Nas, p.25:

        اگر بالفرض بعض زمانہ نبوی صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم میں کوئی نبی پیدا ہو تو پھر بھی خاتمیت محمدی میں کچھ فرق نہ آئیگا

        “If, for argument’s sake, after the time of the Holy Prophet , another Prophet is born, then no change will occur in the finality of Prophethood of the Holy Prophet .”

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          المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


          Ismail Dehlwi states in Taqwiyatul Imaan, p. 59:

          یعنی انسان آپس میں سب بہائی ہیں جو بڑا بزرگ ہو وہ بڑا بہائی ہے سو اس کی بڑے بہائی کی سی تعظیم کیجئے اور مالک سب کا اللہ ہے بندگی اسی کو چاہیے اس حدیٹ سے معلوم ہوا کہ اولیاء و انبیاء امام اور امام زادے پیر اور شہید یعنی جتنے اللہ کے مقرب بندے ہیں وہ سب انسان ہی ہیں اور بندے عاجز اور ہمارے بہائی مگر اللہ نے ان کو بڑائی دی وہ بڑے بہائی ہوئے

          ” Therefore, all human beings are brothers to each other. A person with a higher status is like an elder brother, so he should me respected like an elder brother, and Allah is the owner of everything, He alone should be worshipped. From this hadith we come to know that Awliya and Prophets, Imams and their sons, Masha’ikh and martyrs, in other words, all those close to Allah, are all human and powerless and our brothers, But Allah has elevated their status, so they are our elder brothers.”

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            المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


            I have given evidence for the Kufr of the Deobandi Molvis mentioned in the Fatwa of Ala Hazrat, namely: Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi, Qasim Nanotwi, Khalil Ahmad Ambethwi and Ismail Dehwli. I have given direct quotes from their books in Urdu, with references and an English translation. If, despite seeing all of this, someone still refuses to accept the Kufr of these Deobandi Molvis and continues to refer to them as Muslims, then he is truly blind. May Allah curse such people who deny the Kufr of those who insult رسول الله , and attempt to defend them in any way. May Allah curse those who insult Ala Hazrat, who spent their entire life defending the honour of رسول الله , but refer to the Najdi Heretics with respect. May Allah dishonour them in this life and the next.
            Last edited by Sunni Ashrafi; 26-11-20, 01:25 PM.

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            • Sunni Ashrafi whats the use copying and pasting when you dont want a decent conversation?

              peeps have questions but youre shying away from them and instead of sharing your knowledge your copying and pasting other stuff lool

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              • Originally posted by Simply_Logical View Post
                Sunni Ashrafi whats the use copying and pasting when you dont want a decent conversation?

                peeps have questions but youre shying away from them and instead of sharing your knowledge your copying and pasting other stuff lool
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                المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                None of what I've just written has been copied and pasted, I manually typed out the Urdu references directly from the original books, and translated them myself, since I speak Urdu. That's beside the point, prove that any one of the references I've just given is incorrect, and since every one of them is correct, which you'd find if you bothered to check any one of them, then tell me, are the people who made such statements Muslims or Kafirs. I'm willing to talk to you and answer your questions if you speak with respect and actually consider what I've written, rather than just typing 'lool' over and over again because you don't have an answer.

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                • Originally posted by TheHaqq View Post

                  If Asrar Rashid is truly following ARK, then indeed he was just an ashari.

                  What do you say about the belief that the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is created from light and is noor not bashar?

                  They then say if you say he is bashar it is disrespectful!
                  Respected brother, let us please ONLY consider scholarly statements when discussing and not what laymen say or do not say.


                  Regarding the issue of Bashar and Nur:

                  No one doubts that the Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - was a human being, otherwise it would make no sense to say that he's from Banu Hashim and that his noble lineage goes back to Ibrahim, 'alayhil salatu wal salam.

                  This however does not exclude him - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - being light (Nur) at the same time.

                  This is a position that exists even among the early Muslims (like in the Tafsir of Imam al-Tustari (d. 283 AH)).

                  If a person now doesn't support this position based upon not finding convincing evidence, then this in itself is not problematic.

                  What is however problematic is if this person doesn't know the proper decorum when mentioning the Chosen One - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and claims that "he's a human being LIKE US".
                  How can it be claimed that our Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - is "LIKE US", when Allah ta'ala has sent him as the Seal of all Messengers and Prophets - peace and blessings be upon him - and has honored him with all kind of miracles?!


                  Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala states regarding the disbelievers:

                  { مَا يَأْتِيهِم مِّن ذِكْرٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِم مُّحْدَثٍ إِلَّا اسْتَمَعُوهُ وَهُمْ يَلْعَبُونَ }
                  { اهِيَةً قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَأَسَرُّوا النَّجْوَى الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا هَلْ هَـٰذَا إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ ۖ أَفَتَأْتُونَ السِّحْرَ وَأَنتُمْ تُبْصِرُونَ }

                  { No mention comes to them anew from their Lord except that they listen to it while they are at play }
                  { With their hearts distracted. And those who do wrong conceal their private conversation, [saying], "Is this [Prophet] except a human being like you? So would you approach magic while you are aware [of it]?" }

                  [Al-Qur`an al-karim 21:2-3 with English interpretation]

                  And He states:

                  { وَاضْرِبْ لَهُم مَّثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ }
                  { إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا إِلَيْكُم مُّرْسَلُونَ }
                  { قَالُوا مَا أَنتُمْ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا وَمَا أَنزَلَ الرَّحْمَـٰنُ مِن شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا تَكْذِبُونَ }

                  { And present to them an example: the people of the city, when the messengers came to it - }
                  { When We sent to them two but they denied them, so We strengthened them with a third, and they said, "Indeed, we are messengers to you." }
                  { They said, "You are not but human beings like us, and the Most Merciful has not revealed a thing. You are only telling lies." }

                  [Al-Qur`an al-karim 36:13-15 with English interpretation]


                  So acting as if the Messengers and Prophets of Allah - peace and blessings be upon them all - are like the rest of humans is from the way of the disbelievers and it's not befitting of a Muslim to follow the way of the disbelievers!

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                  • Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                    First of all, his name was Raza Khan, not 'Ridha Khan', no need to hypercorrect his name.
                    I spelled his name as it is written in Arabic: الشيخ احمد رضا خان

                    This shouldn't be regarded as wrong, because the word "رضا" in itself is in Arabic.

                    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                    So you really don't know about him, why are you talking about things without knowledge and massive assumptions?
                    Like I said: I've read some of his statements and his Hussam al-Haramayn was written in Arabic. There is also an English translation available.

                    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                    Clearly you are clueless. ARK didn't just make tafkeer of these 4 (which is also unjustified) he made takfir of all Deobandis. And Ahle Hadiths. Including the laymen.

                    Literally.All.Of.Them.

                    You really are clueless and don't know what you are talking about.
                    It's quite obvious against whom his Takfir is directed: Those who use disrespectful words regarding the Best of Creation - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and those who KNOWINGLY defend these statements.
                    If you claim otherwise, then it's upon you to bring clear cut proofs.

                    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                    The 'Shaykh' was making mass takfir of Deobandis and Ahle Hadiths (whom he mislabeled as 'Wahhabis'). You do know about MiAW, you read his works, you got the quotes. It's good if you wanna talk about him. But don't talk about some mass takfiri lunatic you got no clue about.
                    Anyone praising a work like Taqwiyatul Iman is at least Wahhabi - meaning a follower of the ideas of the wretched Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) - to a certain degree.

                    As for you putting Shaykh into quotation marks and calling the Shaykh (!) Ahmad Ridha Khan (d. 1340 AH) a "mass takfiri lunatic":
                    In the other thread you stated that MIAW (d. 1206 AH) always had a sketchy aura, but at the end of your comment you said "May Allah have mercy on him" and this with your knowledge that this man was ACTIVELY COMMANDING his followers to kill thousands upon thousands of Muslims - and they would act upon his command! - and was redefining Tawhid and Shirk in order to kill the WHOLE UMMA! Why this lenience towards this Khariji false prophet and praying for him (!) and then calling someone who stood up for the Messenger of Allah - sallalallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - as a "mass takfiri lunatic"?

                    We should all check our priorities: When the issue is the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam -, then everything else becomes secondary!

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                    • Originally posted by Sunni Ashrafi View Post

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                      المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                      None of what I've just written has been copied and pasted, I manually typed out the Urdu references directly from the original books, and translated them myself, since I speak Urdu. That's beside the point, prove that any one of the references I've just given is incorrect, and since every one of them is correct, which you'd find if you bothered to check any one of them, then tell me, are the people who made such statements Muslims or Kafirs. I'm willing to talk to you and answer your questions if you speak with respect and actually consider what I've written, rather than just typing 'lool' over and over again because you don't have an answer.
                      yea sure you did loool

                      answer my questions on the taweez thread, i asked them first!

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                      • Originally posted by Simply_Logical View Post

                        yea sure you did loool

                        answer my questions on the taweez thread, i asked them first!
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                        المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                        میں نے شرط رکھا کہ ادب سے بات کرنا. اور جب تو نے مجھ پہ جھوٹ کا الزام لگایا، صرف اس وجہ سے کہ تیرے پاس کوئی جواب نییں، تو پھر میں تجھ جیسے بیوقوف سے بات کرنا گوارا نہیں کرتا. اب آئندہ مجھ سے کوئی سوال نہ پوچھنا.

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                        • Originally posted by Sunni Ashrafi View Post

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                          المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                          میں نے شرط رکھا کہ ادب سے بات کرنا. اور جب تو نے مجھ پہ جھوٹ کا الزام لگایا، صرف اس وجہ سے کہ تیرے پاس کوئی جواب نییں، تو پھر میں تجھ جیسے بیوقوف سے بات کرنا گوارا نہیں کرتا. اب آئندہ مجھ سے کوئی سوال نہ پوچھنا.
                          talk with politness? you having a laugh.....look at your adab then talk

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                          • Originally posted by Simply_Logical View Post

                            i have to agree Abu Sulayman i think you need to read more about ARK in sha Allah, theres a lot more that meets the eye so to speak!
                            A general note: If one wants to know the views of someone, then one does not read ABOUT him from OTHER sources, but rather reads his OWN works.

                            Then: Let us please get our priorities right and see what is happening here right now:
                            A person opened this thread and posted a PDF. This PDF contains many statements with a disrespectful wording regarding our beloved Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and these statements are DEFENDED and JUSTIFIED in this PDF based upon them "not intending disrespect" this with the knowledge that the classical scholars have mentioned that using a disrespectful wording regarding our Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - is disbelief EVEN if disrespect is NOT intended!

                            As Muslims it's our obligation to CONDEMN this shameless behavior and to stand up for the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and this not because he - 'alayhil salatu wal salam - is in need of us to be defended, but it's rather a test for us!

                            So let us not jump to any secondary issues! Nothing is more important here than to stand up for the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - against whoever dares to disrespect him in whatever form!


                            Imam Muhammad bin Sahnun (d. 256 AH) stated:

                            أجْمَع الْعُلمَاء أَنّ شَاتِم النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْه وَسَلَّم الْمُتَنَقّص لَه كَافِر وَالْوَعِيد جَار عَلَيْه بِعَذَاب اللَّه لَه وَحُكْمُه عند الأمة قتل وَمِن شَكّ فِي كُفْرِه وَعَذَابِه كَفَر

                            The scholars are in unanimous agreement that the blasphemer of the Prophet ﷺ and his denigrator is an apostate. Allāh’s promise of punishment for such a person is ordained. The punishment for such a person in our nation is execution. Whosoever doubts in his apostasy and that a blasphemer will be punished has himself become an apostate.143
                            - end of quote (from al-Shifa bi Ta'rif Huquq al-Mustafa 2/215 - 216 and translation taken from "The Killer Mistake" p. 29) -
                            Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 26-11-20, 09:33 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

                              I spelled his name as it is written in Arabic: الشيخ احمد رضا خان

                              This shouldn't be regarded as wrong, because the word "رضا" in itself is in Arabic.



                              Like I said: I've read some of his statements and his Hussam al-Haramayn was written in Arabic. There is also an English translation available.



                              It's quite obvious against whom his Takfir is directed: Those who use disrespectful words regarding the Best of Creation - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - and those who KNOWINGLY defend these statements.
                              If you claim otherwise, then it's upon you to bring clear cut proofs.



                              Anyone praising a work like Taqwiyatul Iman is at least Wahhabi - meaning a follower of the ideas of the wretched Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) - to a certain degree.

                              As for you putting Shaykh into quotation marks and calling the Shaykh (!) Ahmad Ridha Khan (d. 1340 AH) a "mass takfiri lunatic":
                              In the other thread you stated that MIAW (d. 1206 AH) always had a sketchy aura, but at the end of your comment you said "May Allah have mercy on him" and this with your knowledge that this man was ACTIVELY COMMANDING his followers to kill thousands upon thousands of Muslims - and they would act upon his command! - and was redefining Tawhid and Shirk in order to kill the WHOLE UMMA! Why this lenience towards this Khariji false prophet and praying for him (!) and then calling someone who stood up for the Messenger of Allah - sallalallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - as a "mass takfiri lunatic"?

                              We should all check our priorities: When the issue is the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam -, then everything else becomes secondary!
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                              المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                              You can give all the evidence you want to that Najdi Khabeeth, he won't listen to you. I've given him examples of Kufr stated by the Deobandi Molvis, which I copied directly from their books and translated into English, but he still refuses to accept that the Fatwa of Ala Hazrat declaring them to be Kafirs is correct. صم بکم عمی فھم لا یرجعون

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                              • Originally posted by Simply_Logical View Post

                                talk with politness? you having a laugh.....look at your adab then talk

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                                المستغاث الا حضرت الله تعالي الصلوٰة والسلام عليك يا رسول الله


                                میں نے جو لہجہ تیرے لئے استعمال کیا، وہ بالکل ٹہیک کیا، ایسا ہی لہجہ ان خبیثوں کیلئے استعمال کرنا چاہئے جو در رسول کے غدار ہو، جو میرے نبی کے غلاموں کو بڑا بھلا کہے اور الٹا گستاخان رسول کا احترام کرے، اور پھر مجھ پر جھوٹ کا الزام لگئے، ایسے خبیثوں پر لاکھ لعنت، اب دفعہ ہو جا، میرے مزید اور کوئی وقت ضائع نہ کرنا.

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