Is Sharia Law outdated?

[SexualPastMatters]

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

What on earth did I just read...

[SexualPastMatters]

What on earth did I just read...

You will never have 4 witnesses for fornication or adultery, if we have the science to implement more accurate anti-adultery or anti-Zina laws should we not do it? Is it not ridiculous that 4 witnesses goes before 100% accurate DNA testing?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

You will never have 4 witnesses for fornication or adultery, if we have the science to implement more accurate anti-adultery or anti-Zina laws should we not do it? Is it not ridiculous that 4 witnesses goes before 100% accurate DNA testing?

Nope.

Artificial insemination debunks the idea that DNA proves sexual intercourse.

[SexualPastMatters]

Nope.

Artificial insemination debunks the idea that DNA proves sexual intercourse.

Why would any woman do that before marriage or without the consent of her husband? That is a ridiculous excuse

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Why would any woman do that before marriage or without the consent of her husband? That is a ridiculous excuse

You claimed that DNA test proves beyond doubt that sexual intercourse took place. I raised a doubt.

Not to mention that DNA can be planted in order to frame someone.

[SexualPastMatters]

1. That doubt is completely unreasonable and no sane person would even do such a thing. Artificial insemination facilities are also controlled by the sharia government. If it is outside the control of the government, so you are basically telling me some girl would ask a man to ejaculate in a glass for her then put it inside of herself? In that case both the man will get identified because his DNA can get identified. So what man would put his own life in danger to perform such a stupid thing?
2. In what way can DNA be planted to frame someone? That is called rape. If the woman accuses the man of rape it obviously requires further investigation

[AmantuBillahi]

You will never have 4 witnesses for fornication or adultery, if we have the science to implement more accurate anti-adultery or anti-Zina laws should we not do it? Is it not ridiculous that 4 witnesses goes before 100% accurate DNA testing?

What is different about today which makes 4 witnesses outdated? Did people used to have sex in the open or something? Please provide some historical evidence.

[SexualPastMatters]

What is different about today which makes 4 witnesses outdated? Did people used to have sex in the open or something? Please provide some historical evidence.

The point is at the time of the prophet there was no other way to identify adulterers / fornicators. They did not have DNA testing when the quran was revealed. It was probably the best way to punish an adulterer/fornicator. Now we have hundred times better methods thanks to science and Sharia could make good use of it to govern a society. That is why it is outdated.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

1. That doubt is completely unreasonable and no sane person would even do such a thing. Artificial insemination facilities is also controlled by the sharia government. If it is outside the control of the government, so you are basically telling me some girl would ask a man to ejaculate in a glass for her then put it inside of herself? In that case both the man will get identified because he does the ''tagging'' and the girl gets tagged. So what man would put his own life in danger to perform such a stupid thing?
2. In what way can DNA be planted to frame someone? That is called rape. If the woman accuses the man of rape it obviously requires further investigation

The law doesn't really work like that. You can't convict someone of a crime just because the alibi seems silly. You have to prove the actual crime.

Of course, producing billions of different viruses and ''infecting" everyone with them is totally normal and reasonable.

[SexualPastMatters]

The law doesn't really work like that. You can't convict someone of a crime just because the alibi seems silly. You have to prove the actual crime.

Of course, producing billions of different viruses and ''infecting" everyone with them is totally normal and reasonable.

Why would a woman that gets artificial insemination even be punished? You are basically telling me she went and asked for a man to ejaculate in a glass for her, then she put it inside herself and got pregnant. Why would this even require any type of punishment? Only her parents will be dissapointed at her now she has to raise a child with no father. It does not require any punishment from the government.

[SexualPastMatters]

The law doesn't really work like that. You can't convict someone of a crime just because the alibi seems silly. You have to prove the actual crime.

Of course, producing billions of different viruses and ''infecting" everyone with them is totally normal and reasonable.

Almost everyone in developed countries have been vaccined at some point in their life, billions of people. So how is this suggestion ''unreasonable''?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Why would a woman that gets artificial insemination even be punished? You are basically telling me she went and asked for a man to ejaculate in a glass for her, then she put it inside herself and got pregnant. Why would this even require any type of punishment? Only her parents will be dissapointed at her now she has to raise a child with no father. It does not require any punishment from the government.

Well zina and sexual intercourse doesn't always result in pregnancy does it? The point is you're claiming that DNA is 100% reliable when it isn't.

[MyUsernameIs...]

In regards to this progressive idea you have suggested of 'tagging' Muslims to track their sexual history ....putting aside the obvious stupidity of it ....what are we to do with such information?

I'm intrigued

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Almost everyone in developed countries have been vaccined at some point in their life, billions of people. So how is this suggestion ''unreasonable''?

Tell me which viruses you suggest be used for this.