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  • Is Sharia Law outdated?

    Does Sharia Law need to be updated?
    I was studying how a country should be governed according to Islamic Law and although these Laws were optimal at the time the Quran was revealed I think it needs and update now after the progression of Science. The main thing I wanted to discuss was the punishment for Zina. Both adultery (cheating on your spouse) and premarital sex. The requirement in order to implement the hadd punishment is 4 witnesses that saw them during the ‘’penetrative act’’ itself. This method was probably the best during the life of the Prophet, but now this method is completely infeasible, and it is impossible to have 4 witnesses for that. In the middle east they put the ruling of 4 witnesses above undeniable reliable scientific methods. For example, a DNA test can reveal who the father of the baby is with 100% accuracy.

    There have been many reported cases in the middle east where the father gets a DNA test and finds out the kid is not his and the wife has been cheating on him, yet the punishment will not be implemented because Sharia Law goes before 100% accurate DNA testing. Isn’t this ridiculous? We can even scientifically create a method that will almost completely eradicate premarital sex from society. How is this done?

    Every Muslim man can be vaccinated at birth with a specifically modified and uniquely made non-harmful virus for that person. For example person 1 has Virus A, person 2 virus B etc.. Only the men get vaccinated. The women are the ones who get ''tagged'' by the men. Billions of different non-harmful viruses can be produced, each unique virus is for one individual man. Now these viruses can be created so it spreads through sexual intercourse like STDs. It can be modified so it spreads through oral, anal and vaginal intercourse. This means that each woman that has intercourse will be ’’tagged’’ by the specific unique virus that the person she had sex with carried. Through testing later doctors can with accuracy identify who she had intercourse with. We have the scientific knowledge to implement such system. We have the scientific knowledge to identify and track down the ’’sexual history’’ of every Muslim on earth. If such strict anti-fornicating and anti-adultery laws are created people will start marrying out of fear of getting caught and creating stable families again and ’’sleep around’’ culture will completely die out. What are your guys opinion about this? Does Sharia need an update?
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    Last edited by SexualPastMatters; 14-11-19, 11:11 PM.

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    What on earth did I just read...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
      What on earth did I just read...
      You will never have 4 witnesses for fornication or adultery, if we have the science to implement more accurate anti-adultery or anti-Zina laws should we not do it? Is it not ridiculous that 4 witnesses goes before 100% accurate DNA testing?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SexualPastMatters View Post

        You will never have 4 witnesses for fornication or adultery, if we have the science to implement more accurate anti-adultery or anti-Zina laws should we not do it? Is it not ridiculous that 4 witnesses goes before 100% accurate DNA testing?
        Nope.

        Artificial insemination debunks the idea that DNA proves sexual intercourse.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

          Nope.

          Artificial insemination debunks the idea that DNA proves sexual intercourse.
          Why would any woman do that before marriage or without the consent of her husband? That is a ridiculous excuse

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SexualPastMatters View Post

            Why would any woman do that before marriage or without the consent of her husband? That is a ridiculous excuse
            You claimed that DNA test proves beyond doubt that sexual intercourse took place. I raised a doubt.

            Not to mention that DNA can be planted in order to frame someone.

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              1. That doubt is completely unreasonable and no sane person would even do such a thing. Artificial insemination facilities are also controlled by the sharia government. If it is outside the control of the government, so you are basically telling me some girl would ask a man to ejaculate in a glass for her then put it inside of herself? In that case both the man will get identified because his DNA can get identified. So what man would put his own life in danger to perform such a stupid thing?
              2. In what way can DNA be planted to frame someone? That is called rape. If the woman accuses the man of rape it obviously requires further investigation
              Last edited by SexualPastMatters; 14-11-19, 10:19 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SexualPastMatters View Post

                You will never have 4 witnesses for fornication or adultery, if we have the science to implement more accurate anti-adultery or anti-Zina laws should we not do it? Is it not ridiculous that 4 witnesses goes before 100% accurate DNA testing?
                What is different about today which makes 4 witnesses outdated? Did people used to have sex in the open or something? Please provide some historical evidence.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post

                  What is different about today which makes 4 witnesses outdated? Did people used to have sex in the open or something? Please provide some historical evidence.
                  The point is at the time of the prophet there was no other way to identify adulterers / fornicators. They did not have DNA testing when the quran was revealed. It was probably the best way to punish an adulterer/fornicator. Now we have hundred times better methods thanks to science and Sharia could make good use of it to govern a society. That is why it is outdated.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SexualPastMatters View Post
                    1. That doubt is completely unreasonable and no sane person would even do such a thing. Artificial insemination facilities is also controlled by the sharia government. If it is outside the control of the government, so you are basically telling me some girl would ask a man to ejaculate in a glass for her then put it inside of herself? In that case both the man will get identified because he does the ''tagging'' and the girl gets tagged. So what man would put his own life in danger to perform such a stupid thing?
                    2. In what way can DNA be planted to frame someone? That is called rape. If the woman accuses the man of rape it obviously requires further investigation
                    The law doesn't really work like that. You can't convict someone of a crime just because the alibi seems silly. You have to prove the actual crime.

                    Of course, producing billions of different viruses and ''infecting" everyone with them is totally normal and reasonable.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

                      The law doesn't really work like that. You can't convict someone of a crime just because the alibi seems silly. You have to prove the actual crime.

                      Of course, producing billions of different viruses and ''infecting" everyone with them is totally normal and reasonable.
                      Why would a woman that gets artificial insemination even be punished? You are basically telling me she went and asked for a man to ejaculate in a glass for her, then she put it inside herself and got pregnant. Why would this even require any type of punishment? Only her parents will be dissapointed at her now she has to raise a child with no father. It does not require any punishment from the government.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

                        The law doesn't really work like that. You can't convict someone of a crime just because the alibi seems silly. You have to prove the actual crime.

                        Of course, producing billions of different viruses and ''infecting" everyone with them is totally normal and reasonable.
                        Almost everyone in developed countries have been vaccined at some point in their life, billions of people. So how is this suggestion ''unreasonable''?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SexualPastMatters View Post

                          Why would a woman that gets artificial insemination even be punished? You are basically telling me she went and asked for a man to ejaculate in a glass for her, then she put it inside herself and got pregnant. Why would this even require any type of punishment? Only her parents will be dissapointed at her now she has to raise a child with no father. It does not require any punishment from the government.
                          Well zina and sexual intercourse doesn't always result in pregnancy does it? The point is you're claiming that DNA is 100% reliable when it isn't.

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                          • #14
                            In regards to this progressive idea you have suggested of 'tagging' Muslims to track their sexual history ....putting aside the obvious stupidity of it ....what are we to do with such information?

                            I'm intrigued

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SexualPastMatters View Post

                              Almost everyone in developed countries have been vaccined at some point in their life, billions of people. So how is this suggestion ''unreasonable''?
                              Tell me which viruses you suggest be used for this.

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