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  • Statistics show 2/3 muslims have commited Zina

    https://www.thefyi.org/infographics/...-muslim-youth/

    https://utpjournals.press/doi/10.3138/cjhs.2017-0039
    The first link includes a series of studies on sexual behavior among muslims where as the second one is the study that proved that 2/3 of muslims fornicated. 80% of the participants of the study were women too.

    Any thoughts on this study? The age range in the study was 17-35 years old. Personally I think if the age gap was reduced to 17-25 the rate of premarital sex among muslims would have increased, some may have lied about their past aswell in the study because of fear of backlash and muslims are told not to expose their sins so the true percentage is even a lot higher probably close to 90 in western countries I would assume. 80% of the participants of the study were muslims aswell which makes the likelyhood of them lying greater because women usually have greater fear of backlash than men. Remember out of the 1/3 that did not fornicate in the study 50% considered it but they did not get the chance, What are your thoughts on this insanely high rates of premarital sex among muslims?

    Edited: I found some more interesting research I did I wanted to share about Middle Eastern countries governed by Sharia Law
    It is very difficult to find direct statistics about Zina, even harder in middle eastern countries governed by Sharia + there is a lot going on behind closed doors because of the fear of backlash from the community. I decided to take another route researching pornographic consumption, divorce rates and abortion rates from private clinics because that will tell a lot about the state of the community and the fear of Allah.

    1. Middle eastern countries are among the top when it comes to watching porn
    2. Divorce rate have skyrocketed among the newer generation of muslim youth getting married https://ww.egyptindependent.com/2017-divorce-rate-60-7-egyptian-cities-official/ Egypt 60.7% divorce rate
    2017 Saudi arabia divorce rate: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190420-saudi-city-45-divorce-rate-before-consummation/ Among the youth (below 30 years of age) the divorce rate has increased exponentially in Saudi Arabia, it reached a whopping 73% among the youth getting married with no family ties. The person who conducted the study claimed the reason why divorce rate is exponentially increasing among the youth is because they are no longer prioritizing the formation of happy families and true love and chasing after their sexual desires. This is a trend going on in all middle eastern countries now and it is getting exponentially worse year by year. Through porn & social medias both men and women just want to fulfill their sexual desires like animals with no commitment.

    3. Abortion rates in the middle east because they get pregnant out of wedlock: https://womensenews.org/2004/04/abortions-are-illegal-and-common-egypt/
    ''After studying over 22,000 admissions to hospital gynecology departments, researchers found that out of every 100 pregnancies, 15 were ended by induced abortion.''
    ''While there are no exact numbers, there is no question, that abortion rates in Egypt are high. A 1996 study of 1,300 Egyptian women by the Cairo Demographic Center found that one-third had tried to terminate a pregnancy.''
    https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-africa
    This is an estimation but it was estimated that in North Africa which has countries like egypt, morocco etc that are governed by Sharia the rate of abortion is 23% (2010-2014) where the vast majority of these abortions are occurring with unsafe methods from private clinics. Only 1/4 abortions in the entire continent of Africa was performed safely.

    Looking at these statistics it really should not be a schock that most muslims today do not fear the act of Zina at all. Here are some extra things our prophet stated about Zina:
    * ďWhen the fornicator is committing fornication, he is not a believer.Ē (Bukharee and Muslim)

    And he said,

    * ďIf a slave of Allah commits fornication, his faith leaves him through his head and when he turns away from her, his faith returns again.Ē (Abo Dawood)

    The Prophet said during part of a longer narration,

    * ďÖ and so we set out and came to something like a kiln narrow at the top and wide at the bottom, there came from it sounds and voices. He said, ĎWe looked inside, and there were naked men and women and there would rise up fire from beneath them and when it reached them, they screamed, and I said, ĎWho are these (people) O Jibreel?í, He said, ĎThese are the fornicators.íĒ (Bukharee)

    The Prophet said,

    * ďOn the day of Judgement, there are three groups of people whom Allah will not speak to, nor make them flourish, nor will He look at them, and for them is a painful torment: an old man who commits fornication, a king who is a liar, and a poor people who are arrogantĒ (Muslim)
    Last edited by SexualPastMatters; 26-10-19, 09:02 AM.

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    Sadly not very surprised. This is a desire that the vast majority of people have. In the West it is obviously fairly available and accessible and due to free mixing the temptation will be very high. It's definitely on the rise in Muslim countries too, where the majority of people probably fear society's reaction more than the fear of doing something haram. I read recently about the rise of HIV in unmarried people and it was attributed to men and women participating in anal sex (fear of damaging hymen)
    I think apart from the obvious segregation of the sexes we need to have very open lines of communication with our children and be able to talk to them about this and equally for them to feel comfortable coming to us if they are struggling. Many parents assume that their children know what is halal/haram but have never ever spoken to them. When I was younger I had a few christian friends who made to decision to wait until they were married and this was something that they were very comfortable discussing with their parents, who spoke a lot about the advantages of waiting etc. I would have died a death if my parents spoke about these things (and they might have had a stroke if I brought it up!) as it was never, ever mentioned. I try to approach this with my daughters but find it much more awkward with my sons, but i do think it is very important.
    It is also very important that our children know that the door to repentance is always open and that this isn't the worst sin in the world. That almost sounds as if I'm minimizing it, I don't mean that but I do know of a few people who did haram in this regard and to all intents and purposes left Islam because they felt that they were not worthy to pray. Obviously in most of the Muslim countries this is probably the worst thing imaginable and especially for a girl, which is wrong.

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    • #3
      Nice.
      You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

      You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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      • #4
        Lots of thoughts on the first study. Read : 

        Religious heritage and religiosity 
        .
        ¬†Religious heritage was determined based on the participant’s response to the question, “In what religion were youraised?” Te answers included six categories: “None”, “Catholicism,” “Judaism”,“Islam”, “Protestantism”, and “Other”. We reer to students who answered “Is-lam” as Muslim students and students who responded with any other categoryas Non-Muslim students. No questions were asked about current affiliation orspecific religious behavior. Religiosity was assessed based on the participant’ssel-report on the importance o participating in religious activities in collegewith answers range rom “Very Important”, “Important”, “Somewhat Important”to “Not at all Important”. No other question in the survey assessed religiosity.
        and 

        Results

        Demographic Characteristics

        Of the 10,401 students in the sample, 135 (1.3%) reported they were raised in Muslim families. The sample of Muslim students was predominately male(65.2%) and had never married (88.9%). The sample of Muslim students consisted of: 42.7% Other, 23.9% Asian American/Pacific Islander, 23.1% White,and 10.9% African-American. Half of the participants (50.4%) were under21 years of age, whereas 30% were between the ages of 22–23, and 19.3% of the participants were over 23 years. A majority of students (68.7%) lived with friends or on-campus housing, compared to the minority (31.3%) who livedwith parents/relatives. Te responses on the importance of religious activity¬†varied: 21.8%¬†not at all important, 18.0%¬†somewhat important, 27.1%¬†impor-tant, and 33.1% very important.

        So a study on Muslims has a sample of 10,401 students and only 1.3% reported they were raised in Muslim families. Who exactly did they ask? Then you have the case of 51% of Muslim college students having smoked tobacco once in their life. I find that hard to believe. 

        I'm not denying there's an issue with Muslim youth in the west but I find the percentages hard to believe. 

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        • #5
          :(

          go to the villages ikhwa

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
            :(

            go to the villages ikhwa


            villages in bangladesh are celebrating New years, having all sorts of functions with both genders dancing around and flirting

            they are not waiting for westerners to come and take them

            The devil has reached them lol

            Everyone has internet

            The girls are like Western girls and the boys also imitate the westerners   
            'Whatever it be wherein ye differ, the decision thereof is with Allah: such is Allah my Lord: In Him I trust, and to Him I turn.' The Holy Qu'ran Al Shura (Consultation)

            So, which of the favours of your lord will you deny? ~ Surah Ar Rahman

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            • #7
              Op

              your other thread was about something similar

              Could you do something amazing and find the virgin and chaste people who want to get married to people like themselves, and match them up?


              Don't lose your hair over the fornicators, 'if you feel no shame, then do as you wish'. They will find their kind because according to your research there's plenty around.

              im not surprised about the report (didn't bother reading 

              Parents should teach their children 

              If the Christians can raise children who can 'save' themselves, why can't we?

              we need help


               
              'Whatever it be wherein ye differ, the decision thereof is with Allah: such is Allah my Lord: In Him I trust, and to Him I turn.' The Holy Qu'ran Al Shura (Consultation)

              So, which of the favours of your lord will you deny? ~ Surah Ar Rahman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
                :(

                go to the villages ikhwa
                Villagers also fornicate.

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                • #9
                  I dont believe this.
                  The sunnah is like the ark of Noah, whoever embarks upon it reaches salvation and whoever refuses is drowned.
                  ~ Imam Malik (may Allah have mercy on him)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Poster View Post
                    Lots of thoughts on the first study. Read :¬



                    and¬




                    So a study on Muslims has a sample of 10,401 students and only 1.3% reported they were raised in Muslim families. Who exactly did they ask? Then you have the case of 51% of Muslim college students having smoked tobacco once in their life. I find that hard to believe.¬

                    I'm not denying there's an issue with Muslim youth in the west but I find the percentages hard to believe.¬


                    two thirds of muslims but only 1.3 percent raised in Muslim homes

                    Some made up fantasy study to further an agenda
                    The sunnah is like the ark of Noah, whoever embarks upon it reaches salvation and whoever refuses is drowned.
                    ~ Imam Malik (may Allah have mercy on him)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by UmmAbdullah86 View Post

                      Villagers also fornicate.
                      Not the practising ones
                       

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ya'sin View Post
                        Op

                        your other thread was about something similar

                        Could you do something amazing and find the virgin and chaste people who want to get married to people like themselves, and match them up?


                        Don't lose your hair over the fornicators, 'if you feel no shame, then do as you wish'. They will find their kind because according to your research there's plenty around.

                        im not surprised about the report (didn't bother reading¬¬†

                        Parents should teach their children¬¬†

                        If the Christians can raise children who can 'save' themselves, why can't we?

                        we need help


                        ¬¬†
                        This is juhaal not religious muslims

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                        • #13


                          I don't believe the study either. We shouldn't fall into sins because of the desires we might have at the time and I have to always give this advice to my self.

                          May Allah protect us from this sin.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Poster View Post
                            Lots of thoughts on the first study. Read :¬



                            and¬




                            So a study on Muslims has a sample of 10,401 students and only 1.3% reported they were raised in Muslim families. Who exactly did they ask? Then you have the case of 51% of Muslim college students having smoked tobacco once in their life. I find that hard to believe.¬

                            I'm not denying there's an issue with Muslim youth in the west but I find the percentages hard to believe.¬
                            ''Of the 10,401 students surveyed, 135 (1.3%) reported they were raised in Muslim families. The past year prevalence of risk behaviors among the 135 students was 46.2% for alcohol, 24.6% for illicit drug use, 37.3% for tobacco use, and 30.4% for gambling. Of the never married students, 53.8% reported ever having had sexual intercourse. Gender differences were significant for tobacco use and gambling. Most Muslim students (58.5%) reported engaging in at least one risk behavior during the past year, of whom a majority (77.6%) engaged in two or more behaviors.''

                            Out of the 10,401 people, 135 were muslims, and out of the 135 muslims 53.8% had fornicated before marriage. Meaning approximately 73/135 muslims have commited Zina. Remember these numbers will be at the MINIMUM since most muslims are told to not expose their past, the reality may have even been 110/135 or something a lot higher.
                            Last edited by SexualPastMatters; 26-10-19, 09:15 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post



                              two thirds of muslims but only 1.3 percent raised in Muslim homes

                              Some made up fantasy study to further an agenda
                              Brother that was the first study and you even read it wrong. Out of the 10,401 people, 135 were muslims, and out of the 135 muslims 53.8% had fornicated before marriage. Meaning approximately 73/135 muslims have commited Zina. Remember these numbers will be at the MINIMUM since muslims are told to not expose their past + fear of backlash from their muslim families and community, the reality may have even been 110/135 or something a lot higher.


                              Here is the second study where 2/3 muslims commited Zina and 80% of the study were muslim women: https://utpjournals.press/doi/10.3138/cjhs.2017-0039

                              The current study tested two exploratory path models predicting sexual guilt and sexual anxiety in young Muslims adults living in Canada and the United States. Using path analysis, I examined the joint influence of background (religiosity, perceived parental sexual attitudes, and gender) and attitudinal (sexual attitudes, gender role attitudes, and sexual double standard) factors on sexual guilt and sexual anxiety. Surveys were completed by 403 Canadian and American young heterosexual Muslim adults (ages 17–35). Most participants (79.4%) were women, approximately one-third of the participants were born outside Canada or the United States, and half identified as students. Most participants identified as either South Asian (43.1%) or Arab (25.1%) and the majority had either an undergraduate (32.3%) or graduate (37.2%) degree. In the final two path models, religiosity both directly and indirectly predicted sexual guilt and anxiety while sexual attitudes, belief in the sexual double standard, and gender role attitudes partially mediated this relationship. Gender role attitudes were strongly related to participants’ support for the sexual double standard, while gender was not a predictor of sexual guilt or anxiety. Perceived parental attitudes had no predictive value, possibly being redundant with religiosity. The path models revealed complex and interesting relationships between the variables which have various implications for young Muslim adults as well as the practitioners who work with them.
                              Last edited by SexualPastMatters; 26-10-19, 09:16 AM.

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