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  • Sisters who work - Why do you do it instead of staying at home?

    Genuine question.

    Also, if you're not married and you work why are you being a career woman?

  • msmoorad
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    Originally posted by Pippin1376 View Post

    Akhi, if a sister wants to work then that's enough of a valid reason. Unless there's a clear hadith or Quranic ayah about women not being allowed to work, then you can't say that they can't. As long as it isn't haram and what they're doing isn't stopping them from worshiping Allah, then no one should care about it.

    Before anyone brings up the ayah about the wives of the Prophet (SAW) staying at home, that doesn't say that they should be kept there forever. We have stories of Aisha (raa) leaving her home and Saffiyyah (raa) too. Women still worked on the fields and in the market place. We have women shopping in those market places. We also have women who were warriors and traveled to other countries. Using this ayah as a blanket statement to keep women at home is the reason why some masjids don't have a women's section. It's not right.

    We can be afraid that they'll interact with men, but Allah told us how to maintain our haya. Wear the hijab and keep your eyes lowered. If women were meant to stay hidden 100%, then why do we have the ayat about hijab?

    If a sister wants to work, then that's fine as long as she isn't doing anything haram. If a sister doesn't want to work, then that is fine too as long as she isn't doing anything haram as well. If a sister is over 30 and not married, then make du'a for her and don't look down on her for that. As long as she isn't doing anything haram, then we shouldn't treat her any differently for not being married.


    *sigh* We have 11 pages of posts telling sisters that working isn't valid. But on my other thread about brothers delaying marriage, most of the post say that it's okay and excuses are thrown out. I wonder what would happen if we use the same energy to help sisters and brothers get married instead of bringing them down....
    salaams to all

    i think u should consult whichever ulama you have confidence in, regarding this issue.

    and Allah ta'ala knows best
    jazakallah

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  • zi-zizou
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    Originally posted by MuslimThinker View Post

    This thread is not pointless. Its worth the discussion. Chill bro
    Ok bro, chillin

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  • MuslimThinker
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    Originally posted by zi-zizou View Post

    Stats please.

    The problem with this thread is that it was triggered by emotions, one user said “scorn” and that was it. Now common sense would tell you in the main sisters work because they either just want too, a personal decision (studied and then moved into working in that area, delaying marriage, copying others, way to find a spouse, want a nest egg to fall back on, etc etc) or they have a pressing current financial need (no choice but to support family, husband, themselves).

    There are only a handful of sisters on this forum that work so you are not going to get great insight here. In short this thread was pointless. I tried to move in on from merely asking the obvious to point out real issues that occur with this endeavour. Output of which might get people thinking beyond any short term gains.

    Think about it from a man'’s point of view. What good is a woman who is not at home when the he gets back from work? Is he just after her money? What happens when children are on the scene? I pointed out a growing trend of sisters getting into their 30s and not being married. We can ignore it and pretend it’s not an issue but that’s really not helpful is it?
    This thread is not pointless. Its worth the discussion. Chill bro

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  • zi-zizou
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    Originally posted by Kya View Post
    I hate when man take over a thread about women, leaving no place for sisters to discuss. Kind of like how it is in real life where man take over masjid and leave no or very little place for women to gather. Astagfirullah how man like to isolate women to the point they can't even expand their knowledge of islam. This was not how islam supposed to be, this is not how our ancestor operated where women went directly to our prophet SAW to ask question & learn about islam. Yet today men want to control everything his wife and daughter will learn so that she never knows any more than he does. Just look at this thread & look at how many MEN entered to give their POV instead of listening to sisters & let them talk it out.

    Who cares what the men POV is & how he feels? This thread was about sisters & their POV. But weak men can't help themselves & have to intervene. Unfortunately this is the world we live in & online is no different. Give your point, and listen and if you don't agree walk away or listen some more. Maybe you will understand others POV. No point stating your POV over and over again
    Sister no one is stopping you from posting other than yourself.

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  • zi-zizou
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    Originally posted by Pippin1376 View Post

    Akhi, if a sister wants to work then that's enough of a valid reason. Unless there's a clear hadith or Quranic ayah about women not being allowed to work, then you can't say that they can't. As long as it isn't haram and what they're doing isn't stopping them from worshiping Allah, then no one should care about it.

    Before anyone brings up the ayah about the wives of the Prophet (SAW) staying at home, that doesn't say that they should be kept there forever. We have stories of Aisha (raa) leaving her home and Saffiyyah (raa) too. Women still worked on the fields and in the market place. We have women shopping in those market places. We also have women who were warriors and traveled to other countries. Using this ayah as a blanket statement to keep women at home is the reason why some masjids don't have a women's section. It's not right.

    We can be afraid that they'll interact with men, but Allah told us how to maintain our haya. Wear the hijab and keep your eyes lowered. If women were meant to stay hidden 100%, then why do we have the ayat about hijab?

    If a sister wants to work, then that's fine as long as she isn't doing anything haram. If a sister doesn't want to work, then that is fine too as long as she isn't doing anything haram as well. If a sister is over 30 and not married, then make du'a for her and don't look down on her for that. As long as she isn't doing anything haram, then we shouldn't treat her any differently for not being married.


    *sigh* We have 11 pages of posts telling sisters that working isn't valid. But on my other thread about brothers delaying marriage, most of the post say that it's okay and excuses are thrown out. I wonder what would happen if we use the same energy to help sisters and brothers get married instead of bringing them down....
    You seem to be adding and subtracting from your position. Is it that fluid? You forgot to mention "if the family is okay with it" or does that not matter anymore? Can you see it can be very difficult for men to determine what a sisters position is when it's not consistent. Earlier on in the thread you struggled with making a blanket statement but now you seem to have no issue with it. What's going on?

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  • Stoic Believer
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    Name me one alim who said it's permissible for women to work closely with men in an office/hospital or whatever.

    Edit: I should say, women who are not in exceptional circumstances, such as having to provide for their family.
    Last edited by Stoic Believer; 15-02-19, 07:35 PM.

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  • Kya
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    I hate when man take over a thread about women, leaving no place for sisters to discuss. Kind of like how it is in real life where man take over masjid and leave no or very little place for women to gather. Astagfirullah how man like to isolate women to the point they can't even expand their knowledge of islam. This was not how islam supposed to be, this is not how our ancestor operated where women went directly to our prophet SAW to ask question & learn about islam. Yet today men want to control everything his wife and daughter will learn so that she never knows any more than he does. Just look at this thread & look at how many MEN entered to give their POV instead of listening to sisters & let them talk it out.

    Who cares what the men POV is & how he feels? This thread was about sisters & their POV. But weak men can't help themselves & have to intervene. Unfortunately this is the world we live in & online is no different. Give your point, and listen and if you don't agree walk away or listen some more. Maybe you will understand others POV. No point stating your POV over and over again

    Leave a comment:


  • Pippin1376
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    Originally posted by msmoorad View Post
    salaams to all

    there VERY FEW cases where theres a valid reason for a muslim woman to work in the west- and by valid, im referring to what Shariat says- that the womans circumstance was viewed by senior ulama/muftis and they permitted her to work...as long as she is able to fulfil certain conditions.

    if we leave it to women to decide for themselves, then EVERY single one who works will try & justify her actions.

    we should also note that a woman in a similar conditions during the times of our ancestors, would rather starve than having to expose herself & mingle with ghair mahrams.
    even in todays times, theres homes where the girls are raised such that they are very uncomfortable when theyre outdoors in the presence of ghair mahrams.


    and Allah ta'ala knows best
    jazakallah
    Akhi, if a sister wants to work then that's enough of a valid reason. Unless there's a clear hadith or Quranic ayah about women not being allowed to work, then you can't say that they can't. As long as it isn't haram and what they're doing isn't stopping them from worshiping Allah, then no one should care about it.

    Before anyone brings up the ayah about the wives of the Prophet (SAW) staying at home, that doesn't say that they should be kept there forever. We have stories of Aisha (raa) leaving her home and Saffiyyah (raa) too. Women still worked on the fields and in the market place. We have women shopping in those market places. We also have women who were warriors and traveled to other countries. Using this ayah as a blanket statement to keep women at home is the reason why some masjids don't have a women's section. It's not right.

    We can be afraid that they'll interact with men, but Allah told us how to maintain our haya. Wear the hijab and keep your eyes lowered. If women were meant to stay hidden 100%, then why do we have the ayat about hijab?

    If a sister wants to work, then that's fine as long as she isn't doing anything haram. If a sister doesn't want to work, then that is fine too as long as she isn't doing anything haram as well. If a sister is over 30 and not married, then make du'a for her and don't look down on her for that. As long as she isn't doing anything haram, then we shouldn't treat her any differently for not being married.


    *sigh* We have 11 pages of posts telling sisters that working isn't valid. But on my other thread about brothers delaying marriage, most of the post say that it's okay and excuses are thrown out. I wonder what would happen if we use the same energy to help sisters and brothers get married instead of bringing them down....

    Leave a comment:


  • msmoorad
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    salaams to all

    there VERY FEW cases where theres a valid reason for a muslim woman to work in the west- and by valid, im referring to what Shariat says- that the womans circumstance was viewed by senior ulama/muftis and they permitted her to work...as long as she is able to fulfil certain conditions.

    if we leave it to women to decide for themselves, then EVERY single one who works will try & justify her actions.

    we should also note that a woman in a similar conditions during the times of our ancestors, would rather starve than having to expose herself & mingle with ghair mahrams.
    even in todays times, theres homes where the girls are raised such that they are very uncomfortable when theyre outdoors in the presence of ghair mahrams.


    and Allah ta'ala knows best
    jazakallah

    Leave a comment:


  • Amira01
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    Originally posted by zi-zizou View Post

    Stats please.

    The problem with this thread is that it was triggered by emotions, one user said “scorn” and that was it. Now common sense would tell you in the main sisters work because they either just want too, a personal decision (studied and then moved into working in that area, delaying marriage, copying others, way to find a spouse, want a nest egg to fall back on, etc etc) or they have a pressing current financial need (no choice but to support family, husband, themselves).

    There are only a handful of sisters on this forum that work so you are not going to get great insight here. In short this thread was pointless. I tried to move in on from merely asking the obvious to point out real issues that occur with this endeavour. Output of which might get people thinking beyond any short term gains.

    Think about it from a man'’s point of view. What good is a woman who is not at home when the he gets back from work? Is he just after her money? What happens when children are on the scene? I pointed out a growing trend of sisters getting into their 30s and not being married. We can ignore it and pretend it’s not an issue but that’s really not helpful is it?
    I'm trying to see it from YOUR point of view, I reeaaaally am. Your posts suggest women working doesn't work, when I gave you an example of how it does. It really differs from one couple to another. Can't generalise.

    You said to think about it from a man's point of view. My husband is a man and his view differs from yours.

    What good is a woman who is not at home when the he gets back from work? Not all women work long hours. They tend to be home at the same time or earlier.

    Is he just after her money? No.

    What happens when children are on the scene? They go to school or get looked after by family. Not much different to those who stay at home but also have a nanny to look after the children.

    I don't see it as an issue that women work, as long as they can maintain the household and prioritise the family. What's the harm?

    If you're of the view that women shouldn't work, that's fine. Don't let your wife work. Simple.

    I don't think I'm a bad person/wrong for working. This seems to be what you're suggesting hence why I take offence to your comments.

    growing trend of sisters getting into their 30s and not being married. Yes, there may be. But it could be for a number of reasons, not just because they work or are career minded. I have two friends in their early 30s who aren't married but are just doing it for time pass. They actually want to quit after they get married.
    Last edited by Amira01; 15-02-19, 11:56 AM.

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  • zi-zizou
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    Originally posted by Kya View Post
    There are more comments by "zi-zizou" then all the sisters combined, yet the discussion was supposed to be from sisters prespetive.
    Stats please.

    The problem with this thread is that it was triggered by emotions, one user said “scorn” and that was it. Now common sense would tell you in the main sisters work because they either just want too, a personal decision (studied and then moved into working in that area, delaying marriage, copying others, way to find a spouse, want a nest egg to fall back on, etc etc) or they have a pressing current financial need (no choice but to support family, husband, themselves).

    There are only a handful of sisters on this forum that work so you are not going to get great insight here. In short this thread was pointless. I tried to move in on from merely asking the obvious to point out real issues that occur with this endeavour. Output of which might get people thinking beyond any short term gains.

    Think about it from a man'’s point of view. What good is a woman who is not at home when the he gets back from work? Is he just after her money? What happens when children are on the scene? I pointed out a growing trend of sisters getting into their 30s and not being married. We can ignore it and pretend it’s not an issue but that’s really not helpful is it?

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  • zi-zizou
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    Originally posted by Pippin1376 View Post

    .... *sigh*


    Happens when you purposely ignore the questions put to you.

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  • Kya
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    There are more comments by "zi-zizou" then all the sisters combined, yet the discussion was supposed to be from sisters prespetive.

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  • Pippin1376
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    Originally posted by zi-zizou View Post

    I wanted to see if you are able to focus on the question or are easily sidetracked...easily sidetracked is a winner.
    .... *sigh*

    Originally posted by Pippin1376 View Post

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    Let's just agree to misunderstand and leave it at that.

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