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  • Pippin1376
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    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

    It's not limited to that. A more concerning attitude would be where one seeks 'status' via a career.
    Hmmm, wouldn't that mostly go towards kids though? With their parents telling them to either be a doctor, engineer or a disgrace?

    A lot of parents came into the country with nothing, so they want their kids to chase after status so they can feel comfortable and not have to struggle as hard as them. But yea, others just want the status of having a child doctor/engineer.

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  • Abu 'Abdullaah
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    Originally posted by Pippin1376 View Post

    A father who works but spends time with his children is a man who has a career and works.
    A father who works and could spend time with his family, but feels like he should just provide money and nothing else is a career chaser.
    It's not limited to that. A more concerning attitude would be where one seeks 'status' via a career.

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  • Pippin1376
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    Originally posted by Indefinable View Post
    Define "career chasing", "work", and "professional" - thereafter, the discussion can proceed.
    A father who works but spends time with his children is a man who has a career and works.
    A father who works and could spend time with his family, but feels like he should just provide money and nothing else is a career chaser.

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  • Indefinable
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    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    Not if it means chasing after a career. Also, careers don't guarantee any of the above. The irony is that a career actually ties you down rather than free you.

    No, not necessarily.

    Yes, by copying men.
    Well ... yes.

    Men set the standards and the women have followed.

    I also heard last week that the fitness test for the Military is changing and the women are expected to be challenged exactly like the men.


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  • Sister_2009
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    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    This is true but again, it's different from being 'career-oriented' where one's goals in life are all or mostly job related.
    But some people become career oriented after being in the workplace. For example, I teach on occasion. This is new for me, something I decided to do for several reasons - to get out of the house, to help children with their education, and for a flexible schedule. After being at one location for a week, the director asks me to accept a full-time permanent position there as a teacher because I interacted well with the kids. Had I accepted that position, it would have turned into a career, because I would have had to take on different certifications (my field is healthcare), and I could have taken on different advanced degrees outside of my field. It’s interesting because many of the ladies there had a similar experience and ended up advancing their education because they love helping kids, such as becoming behavior specialists. This is career orientation, yet it just happens. Anyway, there are so many scenarios.

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  • Abu 'Abdullaah
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    Originally posted by Sister_2009 View Post
    ...One may go to work and fall into a career desire for a number of reasons...
    This is true but again, it's different from being 'career-oriented' where one's goals in life are all or mostly job related.

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  • Sister_2009
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    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

    There's a difference between work and career.
    Sure. One may go to work and fall into a career desire for a number of reasons. Men are more likely to experience this because they are required to be in the workplace to begin with.

    As for myself, as a woman, I have a career. It has nothing to do with wanting to be equal to a man. I provide a service to help others; that is the drive. I predominantly work from home and have for many years. Nothing in my household has suffered, nor do I interact with men on a regular basis. So...

    I don’t care much either way regarding male or female career-oriented people. That’s between them and their family.

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  • AmantuBillahi
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    Assalamu alaykum

    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    The battle for 'equality' is about women being more like men. We always talk about the pitfalls of 'career-minded' women but I believe this is because men have already paved the way.

    Who is to blame? Men, for setting up and promoting the idea of chasing the dunya, or women for copying them...

    It's a lizard-hole.
    The Muslim elders who emigrated to these lands, encouraged their children to engage in Ribaa, and did not pave the way for a 'Ribaa free' community, are the people who deserve the most blame.

    Had Ribaa been as openly shamed and prohibited as Zinaa', then this would have changed the entire dynamic of our communities. Our dedication, mentality and standards would've been more consistent with Islam. On the contrary, this evil is so widespread that it's quite literally expected from the general Muslims. The elders look down on you if you don't have a degree and I have a good feeling that women aren't rejecting men on the basis that their success is the product of Ribaa'.

    We are in the End Times--things don't 'make sense'. You just have to live through the incoherence.
    Last edited by AmantuBillahi; 21-11-18, 03:55 PM.

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  • Abu 'Abdullaah
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    Originally posted by Indefinable View Post

    Aren't those qualities attractive in a man?

    Freedom, independence, success? It means financial security to any woman...
    Not if it means chasing after a career. Also, careers don't guarantee any of the above. The irony is that a career actually ties you down rather than free you.

    ...Earning a living - do you mean barely making ends meet?...
    No, not necessarily.

    ...I think women are career focused because they want to be and because they are encouraged to.
    Yes, by copying men.

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  • Indefinable
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    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

    As in people defining themselves by their career and using it as a status in society. The idea of career = freedom, independence, and success.

    Quite different from simply earning a living.
    Aren't those qualities attractive in a man?

    Freedom, independence, success? It means financial security to any woman.

    Earning a living - do you mean barely making ends meet?

    I think women are career focused because they want to be and because they are encouraged to.

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  • Indefinable
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    Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post

    sound like AA
    Eh?

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  • Abu 'Abdullaah
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    Originally posted by Indefinable View Post
    Define "career chasing", "work", and "professional" - thereafter, the discussion can proceed.
    As in people defining themselves by their career and using it as a status in society. The idea of career = freedom, independence, and success.

    Quite different from simply earning a living.

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  • Abu julaybeeb
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    Originally posted by Indefinable View Post
    Define "career chasing", "work", and "professional" - thereafter, the discussion can proceed.
    sound like AA

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  • Indefinable
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    Define "career chasing", "work", and "professional" - thereafter, the discussion can proceed.

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  • Abu 'Abdullaah
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    Originally posted by Sister_2009 View Post

    One has to be a career chaser and the other doesn’t. I mean, men have to work, so can we blame them for creating a path that they need to survive?
    There's a difference between work and career.

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