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  • Is it okay to look at non-muslim women whom you donít find physically attractive?

    If I were to be out at the shops, mall or whatever and I happen to see women (non-Muslim) in which I donít find physically attractive, would it be okay to look at them out of boredom if that makes sense?

    I often catch buses and trains which means waiting at bus stops and so on. This makes me sometimes lose track of my head and I will often find myself looking at women just out of curiousity. I usually donít have physical attraction to them (sometimes I do and will immediately avert my eyes away).

    Is this considered haram?


  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by Indefinable View Post

    (Actually ... in that particular case regarding the husband being tested - I don't feel he was at fault).
    It doesn't matter what anyone feels,

    We are commanded by Allah عز و جل to lower our gaze, regardless of if someone is Testing us or not.

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  • Indefinable
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    Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

    Some men seem to think the Head covering for the Women is Hijaab and thats it, then you have others trying to justify their evil gaze, staring at non mehrem women like the op, "don't find them attractive" so it must be "ok" or wife tested me and I stared at another woman so she ia giving me hard time,

    Like the friend of a certain individual here,

    Instead of saying failed to lower his gaze.

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك
    (Actually ... in that particular case regarding the husband being tested - I don't feel he was at fault).

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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by ConfusedMuslim View Post
    Let's make something clear here. Hijab for the man is mandatory. It is not an option.



    The above verse highlights the hijab for the man. We should not have double standards - many muslim men are very strict on hijab for women (rightfully) but are lenient when it comes to their own hijab i.e. the lowering of the gaze (and wearing of appropriate clothing). Hold yourselves to the same standard.

    Your question specifically asks whether you're allowed to look at women who you don't find attractive. Ask yourself this brother: Should a Muslima not wear hijab around non-mahram men who she is not interested in? No of course she should wear the hijab - whether she finds the man attractive or not the man may find her attractive from not wearing the hijab. Similar, a non-muslim women might take interest in you (naudhbillah) if you stare at her (she may reciprocate your misjudged intention).

    In summary, you must not stare at a women, even if you don't find them physically attractive. (Also as a side note - how would you know she's not attractive if you haven't taken that second glance??)
    Some men seem to think the Head covering for the Women is Hijaab and thats it, then you have others trying to justify their evil gaze, staring at non mehrem women like the op, "don't find them attractive" so it must be "ok" or wife tested me and I stared at another woman so she ia giving me hard time,

    Like the friend of a certain individual here,

    Instead of saying failed to lower his gaze.

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك

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  • ConfusedMuslim
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    Let's make something clear here. Hijab for the man is mandatory. It is not an option.

    Say to the believing men that they restrain their eyes and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely, Allah is well aware of what they do.
    -Quran 24:31
    The above verse highlights the hijab for the man. We should not have double standards - many muslim men are very strict on hijab for women (rightfully) but are lenient when it comes to their own hijab i.e. the lowering of the gaze (and wearing of appropriate clothing). Hold yourselves to the same standard.

    Your question specifically asks whether you're allowed to look at women who you don't find attractive. Ask yourself this brother: Should a Muslima not wear hijab around non-mahram men who she is not interested in? No of course she should wear the hijab - whether she finds the man attractive or not the man may find her attractive from not wearing the hijab. Similar, a non-muslim women might take interest in you (naudhbillah) if you stare at her (she may reciprocate your misjudged intention).

    In summary, you must not stare at a women, even if you don't find them physically attractive. (Also as a side note - how would you know she's not attractive if you haven't taken that second glance??)

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  • HelloEverybody
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    Originally posted by Ya'sin View Post

    It's a big concern
    i thought nearly all men had these desires
    That's why they end up losing their dignity

    They need help, if they just saw women as a fellow human and nothing more, wouldn't that be a success
    ​​​​​
    Yes, all except odd few men do but they aren't animals unless they choose to be. He is just in a really dumb situation for allowing this sort of stuff get to him, if he actually cares for his dignity he it will be easy for him to avoid this sort of problem.

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  • ZeeshanParvez
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    Originally posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post

    That reminds of the following Verse of the Qur'aan

    And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."

    [Qur'aan 14:22]


    One does, however, always need to make dua for protection against the devil and evil destiny.

    This is the Sunnah.

    No one who follows the Sunnah meets with anything but success.


    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Take refuge with Allah from the difficulties of severe calamities, from having an evil end and a bad fate and from the malicious joy of your enemies."

    [Sahih al-Bukhaari]

    I must point out one important thing regarding the hadiith above.

    There is a version in Sunan al-Nasaa'i

    And it includes the following important claim


    Sufyan (one of the narrators) said: "There were three, and I mentioned four because I do not remember which one was not one of them."

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  • ZeeshanParvez
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    Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

    True,

    Ukthi I heard all sorts of excuses for committing sins, even including filth.

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك

    Most people don't own up and blame themselves, its always others, including the Shayateen,

    Even though the Shayateen have no power over us, other than whispering, and we choose to do Good or Evil.

    Worse case is when yhe culprit blames Allah عز و جل Qadr etc
    That reminds of the following Verse of the Qur'aan

    And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."

    [Qur'aan 14:22]


    One does, however, always need to make dua for protection against the devil and evil destiny.

    This is the Sunnah.

    No one who follows the Sunnah meets with anything but success.


    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Take refuge with Allah from the difficulties of severe calamities, from having an evil end and a bad fate and from the malicious joy of your enemies."

    [Sahih al-Bukhaari]

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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by Ya'sin View Post
    No excuse for doing haram though

    If you end up watching porn, fornicating then that is your fault. You are to blame, no one else.
    True,

    Ukthi I heard all sorts of excuses for committing sins, even including filth.

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك

    Most people don't own up and blame themselves, its always others, including the Shayateen,

    Even though the Shayateen have no power over us, other than whispering, and we choose to do Good or Evil.

    Worse case is when yhe culprit blames Allah عز و جل Qadr etc

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  • Ya'sin
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    No excuse for doing haram though

    If you end up watching porn, fornicating then that is your fault. You are to blame, no one else.

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  • Ya'sin
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    Originally posted by HelloEverybody View Post

    Eeh..."bloody thristy" something i heard in british younlings use. I am just sick of every creep that comes here once in a while talking about how they are lusting over someone in odd situation.
    It's a big concern
    i thought nearly all men had these desires
    That's why they end up losing their dignity

    They need help, if they just saw women as a fellow human and nothing more, wouldn't that be a success
    ​​​​​

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  • Ya'sin
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    It's starts off with a stare, therefore don't underestimate it. Ignore those who will ridicule concerns. I used to think this is a bit too much, now I realise women are a huge fitnah for men. This puts me off marriage and men.


    These problems might seem ludicrous to non Muslims and even some Muslims, but i feel for the men who are trying to attain piety.

    Women are everywhere so these are testing times for those striving and those that take lowering the gaze seriously (very rare).

    Read about Yusuf alihissalam.

    Also, I was talking to someone about this asking them that if it was impossible for muslim men to control their desires then why would Allah make it impermissible?

    So it is possible for you to restrain yourself. You have to believe that.

    Just see it as a weakness and always remind yourself that the more you let go of your gaze the more you will want.

    It's always a miserable end for those that succumb to it.

    You can't get back what you had so lower your gaze or just see them as another human being living their lives just like you are.

    A woman is not some flower, she is a human being like you. From the outside it looks all nice and angelic but it is quite gross when you study biology and understand that it's just a body that urinates, let's gas out and the rest.

    And obviously we all die in the end because the body decays.

    Hmm would you look at it the same way?

    Some women don't understand this 'problem' so about your sister, I don't know what to suggest.
    Keeping away is the only thing.

    If your sister knew the fitnah she wouldn't bring that girl. You know your sister best, is she the type that will appreciate your concern? Or just think your some creep who got issues

    I'm quite extreme with my brothers LMSO he'll complain about it

    Anyway, you're in control

    A wandering mind is a dangerous mind, so don't check out or perv on women just because you are waiting.

    All the best








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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by HelloEverybody View Post

    Eeh..."bloody thristy" something i heard in british younlings use. I am just sick of every creep that comes here once in a while talking about how they are lusting over someone in odd situation.
    Well it is not surprising since Men desire Women, and that desire is placed inside their hearts by default.

    Most women are also clueless that they are the greatest Fitna for men, as the Hadith states.

    So when you realise this, its no suprise that many fall prey to their base desires, not that it is a justification.

    نعوذ بالله من ذلك

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  • HelloEverybody
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    Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

    Blood thirsty?

    He has desires for women, like most non castrated men do, problem is he's not controlling his desires and following the advice in the Qur'an and Sunnah, leaving himself open to fall prey to Fitna
    Eeh..."bloody thristy" something i heard in british younlings use. I am just sick of every creep that comes here once in a while talking about how they are lusting over someone in odd situation.

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  • Saif-Uddin
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    Originally posted by HelloEverybody View Post
    You are bloody thirsty and damn dumb. You do think will realistically happen? You will probably ruin your relationship with your sister and with your family and probably creep out the girl.
    Blood thirsty?

    He has desires for women, like most non castrated men do, problem is he's not controlling his desires and following the advice in the Qur'an and Sunnah, leaving himself open to fall prey to Fitna

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