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  • Re: u dont even know...

    Random back 11 years ago. Quite the experience she had

    I wonder if there's more of this now, or less.
    In UK perhaps, or any other countries.
    Last edited by MuslimThinker; 21-10-17, 05:45 AM.
    Allah Subḥānahu wa-taʿālā has mentioned in the Quran in chapter Surah Al-Ahzab:21 There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

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    • Re: u dont even know...

      Originally posted by MuslimThinker View Post
      Random back 11 years ago. Quite the experience she had

      I wonder if there's more of this now, or less.
      In UK perhaps, or any other countries.
      Yes there is. When I was in Canada people tried to convert me all of the time, or they would ask me things like "aren't you hot wearing that thing on your head?" People were very nice too but you just need those few people to give you one sly comment about islam that ruins your entire day.
      And I have a friend who just came from the UK and she says that she got harrassed about being muslim a couple time on the subway (I think its called a tube in the UK).

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      • Re: u dont even know...

        Originally posted by RaNdOm View Post
        :salams

        k k k firstly id like to apologise for my PATHETICNESS and i wish i coulda done or said more that would have made muslims seem so much more than we're made out to be... and sorry for like jumbled confused writin its cos im still like all bout it

        hmmm ermmmm well how to begin... i was rushin to ma train to catch ta wycombe and was kinda late so hardly any seats left... anyway plonked maself next to some half dead dude or sumt and settled maself... 2mins later train began to move and whipped out ma trusty copy of the Quran translated into english and began to read surah noors translation, cos someone on ummah was sayin how it was good or sumt...

        anyway then about 2-3mins later this random SUIT MAN (as if i dont hate em enough already) sittin behind me looks at it and says out loud 'RUBBISH' ...for a sec there i was like then i turned around and i go erm whats rubbish? and hes like all that... and im like all what?? and hes like all that Allah stuff i was like then like a lamo i go why?????? and hes like why what? im like why do u think its all rubbish???...then looked around and the guy opposite me gave me a look as in to say u cant help what people say these days...but as i was sayin it ma voice like faltered and i knew i was gonna burst into tears cos i got so so so angry lol :embar: (sorry for the extra emotional soppy lamo girl thingness but i really couldnt help it cos like when he said it was all rubbish i just got all this emotion inside me like goin ARG and i dint know what to do and how to handle it cos basically he was sayin that everythin i believed in and everything i base my whole life upon was all rubbish...just like that hmmm)

        anyway so i dint wanna cry at all so i just gave him a harsh look and turned back around..... and then out came the tears floodin like a waterfall... and im the kinda person that NEVER EVER EVER cries infronta people even though am pretty emotional never would i cry infronta people so it was like a mega big deal to me... anyway so then i was sittin there cryin and all and people were lookin at me like weirdo gal cryin on the train here (imagine what ud be like ) ...so then i just sit there for a while tryna stop ma dumb face from leakin... and i try and carry on readin the translation, but everythins a bit blurry when u got tears in ya eyes lool... so i just sit there tryna think what to do and im like man if i just let him say that hes gonna think that he can say it to anyone... when i started to cry he gave me one of those looks u know when people dont wanna make someone cry and then feel bad for makin em cry so i thought ok he wont do anythin extreme ta me...... man see in these kinda situations u SO need an older bro with ya :( (to bust his face in :p)

        anyway so about 7-8mins later (yeh took me a while lool) i turn around again and im like tryna hold back the tears and im like so why do u think its rubbish? and hes like theres no point gettin upset over it, and im like but everythin that i believe in u just called a load of rubbish and then hes like but we can be adult about it and talk about it properly and im like yeh im tryna but i cant help but cry after u just called ma whole way of life total rubbish (and then like start cryin some more) loool anyway man im so arghhhh anyway anyway ermmm then hes like yeh but calm down and dont get so emotional i cant talk to u if ur like this, my names paul btw... then im like im tryna im tryna but they wont stay in, then he tries to make some lame joke and im like haahaa no

        .......anyway then a while later i go what did u read to make u think it was all rubbish and hes like i dno i cant remember now but i read sumt, im like well if it was such rubbish im sure u would remember (total stupidness cos the whole of what was on that page was all peaceful stuff... about God being like the parable of light in the lamp and stuff) and then im like there waitin for him to speak and hes like i dno if it was on that page... i was like but theres nothing here at all that could make u think its rubbish and this is the only page that ive been readin on this train so how can u say it was on a different page?... then hes like well im sure if we can flick through and find sumt bad... then im like what was rubbish? then he mentioned sumt about bombs...im like !?!?!??!?! the word bomb doesnt even come here (i dont think they were even invented then) so how can u be callin it rubbish if u havnt read anythin that is rubbish? then hes like im not havin a go at u personally or i havnt got anythin against muslims, some of my best friends are muslims lalala i love muslims im like hmmmm (the whole time i was speakin to him random tears would fall down so u gotta understand he was probably lookin at me like some cry baby lol... man that sucks) anyway then im like if u dont have anything against muslims how can u call it all rubbish?? and hes like well its probably assumptions made from my side and assumptions made on ur side thats makin this such an issue, but im like what assumptions could i be makin? hes like u thinking im some white 40 sumt yr old english bigot who hates muslims but i aint i think muslims bring loads to this country in terms of cornershops oil and steel industries (i was thinkin eh) n then hes like but u just seperate urselves off from england... im like how? hes like ok if i asked u what u are what would u say...would u say ur english or muslim or arabian or indian or pakistani or what? i go well obviously muslim but ur talkin about nationalities and faith in the same sentence and theyre completely different things... and hes like yeh but im english and il always be english first and u lot seperate urself off from that... im like whaaa?? we always try and get involved in the community! hes like no u dont care about skools or education or anythin, anyway went on for a bit...

        then he gave some dumb example about choosin dustbinmen taxes and belief... im like eh?? hes like what would come first ur belief or the dustbin men gettn paid from our taxes... and im like well obviously belief but part of our belief is to keep things clean and i dont know what ya tryna say.... then hes like basically comin out with stuff sayin all white people think that muslims just try and seperate themselves off from them and stuff like he feels threatened when he walks past msulim communities cos theres no boundaries and he doesnt know what to treat em like and everything... im proper confused about what he was sayin mainly cos he doesnt know what he was chattin about either.... anyway then he says stuff like muslims wanna change the english ways and why cant they just accept how things are, and then hes like im not bein rascist or anythin by sayin this but just this is my opinion... im like well religion hasnt got anythin to do with colour anyway english white people can be muslims too... religion is about what u believe in its not based on what colour u are (the dudes around me started noddin) then hes like yes but ermmm u dont understand what situation might have arised to make me blurt out that its all such rubbish... (i was like oh great now he knows people aint sidin with him hes gonna come out with some excuse) then hes like well i was on the 1st carriage of the train on 7/7 and im lucky to have made it out alive (it was sooo obvious he had just said that to get outta it but i thought id give him the benefit of the doubt) so im like oh..ok im sorry to hear that but u cant start judging all muslims on what happened just cos of a few and hes like yes but ur in england, everyones like that, we all judge, itd be great to say we dont but we do... im like u cant use that as an excuse and be all im allowed to be like that just cos others are... then hes like his friend died in 9/11 aswell and im like hmmmm...

        anyway somehow conversation started about the veil thing and hes like i dont see muslims like that as humans i just see those pair of eyes and see them as these robots cos i dont know who could be under there, and im like yeh but u cant start hatin people just cos of what they wear, white people traipse about in their mini skirts exposin themselves and u dont hate them for that but u hate people that cover themselves up?? and hes like we live in england, its not a religious country and we were here first so i dont see why we should havta accept changes u lot make.. then hes like if i went pakistan or sumt im sure id havta change... i go if u went pakistan NO WAY would u wear what they wore, and hes like yes i would, im like trust me u wouldnt hes like why? im like just trust me u wouldnt i know u wouldnt lol.... then hes like well if i went there in a white and red flag covering ma whole entire body im sure the people there would not be accepting of it and want me out... im like no but u cant relate that to muslims and how does it affect u if others wear veils or whatever, he was like if u were wearin one of them i would no way be able to have this argument with u and im like why not?? he was like cos id be automatically labelled as a rascist or provokin u and the police wuda been after me so i wuda got up and moved right to the other end of the train... im like but i still wear a hijab why arent u so offended by that, hes like cos i can see ur face and u look like ma mum when shes done her hair up (i was like yeh whatever )... then he starts the whole we havta adapt to fit ur beliefs and we were here first so we shudnt havta... i was like ermmm would u rather we all leave? and hes like no i think ur wonderful people and i dont have anything against u just i dont think we should havta change

        anyway at the end when im about to get off he asked me why i got so upset and i was like cos people just read whats in the newspapers and believe that rather than findin out the truth for themselves and bein able to treat other muslims like humans... then hes like u know cos of u ma opinion of muslims has been raised and i think ur so brave and fantastic for bein able to stand up to a big white guy like me...im like yeh whatever then he goes to shake ma hand... im like im sorry but i cant shake your hand, and then hes like oh like he remembered and then hes like see what i mean and has an angry face on... then i was like ahhhh forget this and walked off the train...

        u know when u come away from that situation u always think of a thousand better things to say

        at the end there was this dude sittin close-ish but could hear and he came up to me as i was walkin out and said asked if i was orite? and said that he woulda said sumt if he was closer, and he asked the guy next to him what had happened... and that not to worry about people like him cos theyre not all like that i was like hmmm thanks.. :)

        lol anyway im used to people ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS bein nice to me alhumdulillah but this proper opened ma eyes...

        and sorry for like the massive post...
        I would propably smack some useful info into that big blob. I wouldnt cry for sure, that's not my thing. I would get mad, but I can keep my calm. If I felt like loosing myself then I would just tell him to mind his own business and that everyone has their own beliefs. I am a mere human and only Allah can judge him. I guess he wouldnt have anything to say after that. if he kept on going and talking badly about Islam without evidence then I would turn around and smack a new face for him.

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        • u dont even know...

          P1rat3n

          Yea, excellent way of giving dawah akhi

          Just smack some sense into him



          :rotfl:

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          • Re: u dont even know...

            Originally posted by aelmo View Post
            Yes there is. When I was in Canada people tried to convert me all of the time, or they would ask me things like "aren't you hot wearing that thing on your head?" People were very nice too but you just need those few people to give you one sly comment about islam that ruins your entire day.
            And I have a friend who just came from the UK and she says that she got harrassed about being muslim a couple time on the subway (I think its called a tube in the UK).
            That's concerning. I thought even with all these awareness and more knowledge on the subject , it helps.
            But its good seeing people helping/defending each other in public when the other is attacked. Hope.
            This islamophobia issue.
            Ignorance seems still to be around. It has to work both ways really. The other party has to like have efforts helping Muslims too.
            Allah Subḥānahu wa-taʿālā has mentioned in the Quran in chapter Surah Al-Ahzab:21 There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

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            • Re: u dont even know...

              Originally posted by Kiro View Post
              Ok Ok Ok firstly, Id like to apologise for my PATHETICNESS and I wish i could have done or said more that would have made Muslims seem so much more than we're made out to be.

              I was rushing to my train to catch the wooshy train and I was kinda late so hardly any seats left which I later plonked myself next to some half dead dude or something and settled myself. As the train started to move, I got an English translated of the Qu'ran of Surah Noor because someone from Ummah forum told me how good it was.

              A suited man sitting behind me says out loud 'RUBBISH' then I turned around after my own reaction which I respond, 'What rubbish'? In which he replies, 'all that' as I continue to response 'like all what???' and he's like 'All that Allah stuff'. This went back and forth until I looked around and the guy opposite me gave me a look as in to say 'you can't help what people say these days'.

              My voice began to falter and I knew I was gonna burst into tears because I got so angry, it felt like my emotions were turning from the rage as it felt like he was calling the way I lived "rubbish".

              I gave a harsh look in response as I didn't want to cry though inevitably tears came rushing to me even though I am the kind to not cry in front of people despite being an emotional person (meaning this was a big deal for me) however, I kept on forth and continued to read the Qu'ran in English (at that point, my eyes were a bit blurry) even when everyone was looking at me though there was sympathy.

              Some time later,I had questioned the man and pursued to why he think it is rubbish, with my upset body, he said to talk about it like adults but I was already trying to at that point. Everything I believed in, everything was encapusulated with what he just said and I didn't want to people to say whatever they wanted to say. He tried to comfort me, told me a joke and even told me his name.

              I had asked what he had to make him think it was "rubbish" though his response was something that he couldn't remember and it was something he read though I retorted, it had to be something he remembered for him to think it was rubbish.What I was reading, was the page that was speaking of God such as God being the parable of light and he had said that he was sure we could flick through the pages to find something bad. I continued (about what was rubbish) and he mentioned about bombs, even telling me he wasn't go out on me personally and that he has Muslim friends.He further continued as I further questions that it was probably assumptopns made from his part. He had asked me what he would call meyself (in terms of ethnicity/nationality) but I said that faith and nationally are completey different things and we try to be part of the community!

              He gave me a poor example about dustbin, taxes and faith. So he was like 'What would come first ur belief or the dustbin men getting paid from our taxes... I said 'Well obviously belief but part of our belief is to keep things clean and I don't know what you are trying to say...' then hes like basically coming out saying things such as 'all white people think that Muslims just try and separate themselves off from them and stuff like he feels threatened when he walks past Muslim communities because there's no boundaries and he doesn't know what to treat em like and everything'

              This continued for a while, he started to talk about how Muslims want to change, I even started to say religion has nothing to do with colour, I found out this situation may have arisen from unfortunate tragedies such as 9/11 to make him blurt out such words.

              The conversation carried on eventually to the veil thing to which he doesn't see Muslims who wear them as Humans because he just sees a pair of eyes and more so a robot, he wouldn't know who could be under the veil, I said you can't just hate people of what they like what about in their mini skirts exposing themselves? You don't hate them for that but youu hate people that cover themselves up?? He responded 'we live in England, its not a religious country and we were here first so i don't see why we should have to accept changes you lot make' which he further adds 'If I went Pakistan or something I would have to change'. I said, ' if you went Pakistan no way would u wear what they wore', and he' like 'yes i would', I questioned this but he kept saying to trust that he would.

              'If i went there in a white and red flag covering my whole entire body Im sure the people there would not be accepting of it and want me out'

              'I'm like no but you can't relate that to Muslims and how does it affect you if others wear veils or whatever;

              'You were wearing one of them i would no way be able to have this argument with you'

              'I'm like why not???'

              Moral of the story, you can't just simply base things off the things we read such as a newspaper

              u know when u come away from that situation u always think of a thousand better things to say and you should always have a thousand better things to say.

              I'm always use to people being nice to me but this very much opened my eyes.
              I made it more readable. You're welcome.
              https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/lo...-qur-an-courseI am just a simple nomad.

              Ephemeral reader

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              • Re: u dont even know...

                Originally posted by Kiro View Post
                I made it more readable. You're welcome.
                Lol :jkk: Amazing job. You can now correct all my posts in the future too :)
                ...And he who fears Allah - He will make for him a way out. [65:3]
                "Put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him)."
                :love: [Al-Imran 3:159] :love:

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                • Re: u dont even know...

                  Wow, nice sharing in 06.

                  Rofl at the second post, you guys belong in a museam. (It's a compliment)

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                  • Re: u dont even know...

                    Originally posted by Cptn._.Mario View Post
                    Wow, nice sharing in 06.

                    Rofl at the second post, you guys belong in a museam. (It's a compliment)
                    Totally unique the second poster. Someone from back then.
                    Allah Subḥānahu wa-taʿālā has mentioned in the Quran in chapter Surah Al-Ahzab:21 There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

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                    • Re: u dont even know...

                      Originally posted by MuslimThinker View Post
                      Totally unique the second poster. Someone from back then.
                      lol, that person still makes an appearance sometimes.

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