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    Grammar Lessons

    Salamu'alaikum wa rahmatullah.

    Sister Anna, I was thinking of starting a thorough study of one of the classical arabic grammar texts, nothing hard because I myself am still in my beginning stages.

    I'm particularly inclined to al-Ajurrumiyyah because I've studied some of it with a teacher, it's very famous, small, and the standard basic taught to beginners. But I'm too lazy so I need some help .

    For those of you that aren't familiar with islamic texts commonly known as matn pl. Mutoon - they are books written by the scholars of any given science ('ilm Pl. Ulum) from amongst the islamic sciences in which the rulings/details/contents i.e al-Masa'il(sng. mas'alah) of that ilm is gathered, in a concise manner. Though some of these mutoon may be small in size they contain many benefits and are full of nuggets of wisdom. It's considered an art to be able to convey your message with just a small amount of words. So even though you've utilised a few words, you've got your message across in the most precise and briefest of ways. The Prophet(Saw) was blessed with this ability to convey his message in the most concise of manners and hence was given the title - Jami'ul kalim.

    Later scholars came and gave explanations sharh pl. Shuruh of the mutoon, detailing the nuances of the language used and its content - what the author intended and the message he's trying to convey. they are basicaly efforts in simplifying the original work, and adding extra benefits from other related texts. The shuruh open up the mutoon and clarify all the hidden meanings embedded in the authors concise words - one of the meaning of 'sharaha' شرح is 'to expand' as mentioned in the Quran ألم نشرح لك صدرك, 'Did we not expand your breast?' - thefore, it is as if, the matn has been narrowed down by the author and hard to access and so the Sharh acts as a tool in expanding it and opening up the meanings.

    The format of a sharh would be as follows:

    The matn(the original text of an author) is mentioned> below that, is mentioned, the explanation(sharh) of the scholar that's decided to do a sharh on it.

    Take the next post as an example..

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Matn: Speech: is a compounded meaningful utterance bil wada'

    Sharh: He says 'speech is a compunded utterance bil wada'', intending thereby the definition specific to the nomenclature of the grammarians because *speech* has many definitions in accordance to the nomenclature of other topics, yet what interests us, is the definition used in the nomenclature of the grammarians.

    The science of grammar, as you know, came only to serve [purpose] for arabic speech, and of course the grammar we're elucidating to here is the grammar of the *Arabic language*, each language has its own grammar, however we;re concentrating on arabic grammar, which does service to speech in explaining its states of inflection, different forms etc. nawh also, generaly encompasses the science of morphology(sarf).

    Therefore speech is: a compunded meaningful utterance bil wad'i - so, two conditions must be fulfiled for speech to be considered speech in the jargon of the grammars:

    1)that it be an utterance
    2)that it be compounded(joined, formed of more than one )
    3)that it be meaningful

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Let me know what you think Sister Anna, this would just be a supplementary something, your lessons are well thought out and written, and we look forward to more..this could just be like to introduce people to classical texts. Would people be interested?

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    assalaamu alaykum bro
    This sounds interesting I'm sure it will also be useful for me aswell bc I have not studied grammar from classical texts, more like from modern texts so its good to actually learn from those sources which are different for me.
    I'm thinking then why don't you do it inside the "Grammar" section of the intermediate Arabic forum? That forum is not actually used too much, so you could like take over the whole area?
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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    haha oops I am a bit silly, did not realise you put this in the grammar area already
    thought we were in classroom!
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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Salamu'alaikum wa rahmatullah.

    I'm supposed to be on a break but didn't work out, oh well.

    I'll post lesson 1 sometime this week insha allah.


    This is the matn of al-Ajurrumiyyah - http://www.alkadhum.org/hawza/doros/...omea/index.htm

    This is the main sharh that I'll be relying on -http://www.taimiah.org/Display.asp?pid=1&t=book14&f=agro-00001.htm

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Look forward to it insha allah
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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Salamu'alaikum wa rahamtullah.

    Hope you guys are well.

    The matn will be in red and the sharh in blue (my two favourite colours ). I'll also put the arabic matn before its translation. At times certain words are left untranslated because I dont know it's equivalent in english and feel the best way to explain it is simply through the sharh.

    Some of this can be hard to understand in arabic, and when you translate it into english it sorta gets harder, and I'm a novice, so if you dont understand anything just ask.

    You'll notice how each word is analysed in so much detail by the Shurrah شراح and some people find it really boring but I love it.

    Anyways, Sister Anna and others please point out the mistakes and add to what I've left out!

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Did I put you guys to sleep?

    Sister Anna did you read and understand it? :frown:

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    I read it, but seems like its more lessons to just read rather than any interactivity to comment or answer questions etc, so I just read it
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    I put the lessons up on here aswell: www.itqaan.wordpress.com .. check out the first comment on the first post, 'what is kalam' .. one beloved brother wrote a great definition of kalam and recitifed some of what I wrote!

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn al-Mubarak

    This is the matn of al-Ajurrumiyyah - http://www.alkadhum.org/hawza/doros/...omea/index.htm
    Assalamu'alaikum,

    Three things:

    1- The above link is broken (this is awhile back yeah I know, but plz provide update)
    2- Do you translate your Arabic straight into English? I find that kinda difficult, I always have to do it in Urdu first.
    3- What is 'nisbah'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arifa View Post
    Assalamu'alaikum,

    Three things:

    1- The above link is broken (this is awhile back yeah I know, but plz provide update)
    2- Do you translate your Arabic straight into English? I find that kinda difficult, I always have to do it in Urdu first.
    3- What is 'nisbah'?

    Wa'alaikumusalam wa rahmatullah.

    1) Online reading http://ajurum.free.fr/texte.html
    Download: http://www.saaid.net/book/open.php?cat=90&book=1214

    2) Yeah I try. I don't understand Urdu yet, wish I did!

    3) Nisbah linguistically means 'connection' or 'relation' for example, you say: و بالنسبة الى سؤالك 'in relation to your question/as for your question..'

    I think the other meaning is translated as 'attribution' or 'ascription', when a word or person is attributed/ascribed back to a group or place. Example: Imam Bukhari because he is from Bukhara. Hanafi because he follows the madhab of Imam Abu Hanifah's madhab.

    In one of the lessons I think I said that the 'ya' ياء in words such as كتابي (my book) or صديقي(my friend) is known as ya al-nisbah but it's actually known as ya al-Mutakallim, because the 'book' or 'friend' belongs to the one speaking(al-mutakallim).

    So how to differentiate between ياء النسبة and ياء المتكلم? Well, by context and meaning - The ya al-Mutakallim refers to the belongings of the person using it in their speech and the ya al-nisbah refers to a persons lineage/link/kinship etc.
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    Re: Grammar Lessons



    Assalamu Alaikum,

    Now I remember!

    JazakAllah Khair

    Yup, much easier in Urdu, you'd have to be really clever in English, where the hell did you come up with a word like "nomanclature" or whatever it was

    Ya nisbah is that like "my father, my brother" etc?
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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Quote Originally Posted by Arifa View Post


    Assalamu Alaikum,

    Now I remember!

    JazakAllah Khair

    Yup, much easier in Urdu, you'd have to be really clever in English, where the hell did you come up with a word like "nomanclature" or whatever it was

    Ya nisbah is that like "my father, my brother" etc?
    Wa'alaikumusalam.

    wa iyyaki.

    No, "my father, my brother" is ya al-Mutakallim.

    Ya al-Nisbah is like BukharI because he is from Bukhara and HanafI because he follows the madhab of Imam Abu Hanifah.

    p.s. just use a thesaurus
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    Sorry slow learner here, now I get it

    Re2ps: Insha'Allah when necessary
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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    Assalaam Alaykum Brother Ibn Al Mubarak........
    Is this thread still active??

    Is there a classical text for learning sarf?? Please let me know as it would be very beneficial for myself. I was told that there is one which basically consists of a poem or the like??

    Jazakallahu Khayran.

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    Re: Grammar Lessons

    There is a new islamic forum it is very good everyone should join the link is

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