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    Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Nearly two dozen black-veiled Muslim women stormed gift and stationery shops Friday in Indian Kashmir, burning Valentine's Day cards and posters to protest a holiday they say imposes Western values on Muslim youth. No one was hurt in the half-dozen or so incidents, and police cordoned off the area to prevent the women from marching through Srinagar 's main shopping district to continue their ransacking.



    ar, though, was furious as he looked over the goods tossed around his small stationery store.

    "They barged in, grabbed cards and posters and burnt them outside. Most of the cards were not even Valentine cards. It is difficult to do business with such threats looming overhead," he said.

    Valentine's Day has become increasingly popular in India over the past decade. But it has also become a cultural flash point, opposed each year in India by conservative Hindu and Muslim groups who see it as a reflection of growing permissiveness among young people in this tradition-bound nation.

    Jammu-Kashmir is the only Muslim-majority state in Hindu-majority India , but fundamentalist voices have not been heeded here in the past. Past efforts by hard-line groups to enforce Taliban-style moral codes have been largely ignored by Kashmiris, reports the AP.

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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    just a reminder that valentines day is HARAM..

    St Valentine, need i say more??
    also encourages zina, so dont get involved in it people.
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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Shouldnt there be room for love between people, the most beautiful experience a human can aspire?

    One of the stories about the origins of Valentines Day:

    http://www.pictureframes.co.uk/pages..._valentine.htm
    There are varying opinions as to the origin of Valentine's Day. Some experts state that it originated from St. Valentine, a Roman who was martyred for refusing to give up Christianity. He died on February 14, 269 A.D., the same day that had been devoted to love lotteries. Legend also says that St. Valentine left a farewell note for the jailer's daughter, who had become his friend, and signed it "From Your Valentine". Other aspects of the story say that Saint Valentine served as a priest at the temple during the reign of Emperor Claudius. Claudius then had Valentine jailed for defying him. In 496 A.D. Pope Gelasius set aside February 14 to honour St. Valentine.
    Gradually, February 14 became the date for exchanging love messages and St. Valentine became the patron saint of lovers. The date was marked by sending poems and simple gifts such as flowers. There was often a social gathering or a ball.
    In the United States, Miss Esther Howland is given credit for sending the first valentine cards. Commercial valentines were introduced in the 1800's and now the date is very commercialised. The town of Loveland, Colorado, does a large post office business around February 14. The spirit of good continues as valentines are sent out with sentimental verses and children exchange valentine cards at school.

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    : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Matt

    what about fornication you are not understanding?
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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    Matt

    what about fornication you are not understanding?
    Why do I think I don't understand fornication?

    fornication n
    1. sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other
    2. in the Bible, sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married, or any form of sexual behavior considered to be immoral

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    Is this related to Valentine's Day?

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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by ummbilal
    just a reminder that valentines day is HARAM..

    St Valentine, need i say more??
    also encourages zina, so dont get involved in it people.
    Yes, but that doesn't mean that people have the right to destroy cards and attack shops.

    I despair of Muslims these days.

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    : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    yes, exactly

    aside from the paganism of the holiday (as if that is the epitome of the expression of love, there is no love without valentines day), it is a holiday for "lovers", which implies that it is not a holiday for "parents", husbands & wives or any of that

    just lovers, any loves, fornicators, sodomites, lesbos, grave-diggers, pedophiles, adulterers, you name it
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    : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

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    Yes, but that doesn't mean that people have the right to destroy cards and attack shops.

    I despair of Muslims these days.
    if you put the destroying of shops above shirk and kufr, then your despair of muslims is the least of your problems
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    : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    i could see many of these posters admonishing the Prophet Abraham for destroying the idols of the pagans

    or telling the prophet, to leave the idols in the kaaba

    or telling moses and haroon to leave the golden calf of the jews

    would you have despaired over the actions of these men?
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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    i could see many of these posters admonishing the Prophet Abraham for destroying the idols of the pagans

    or telling the prophet, to leave the idols in the kaaba

    or telling moses and haroon to leave the golden calf of the jews

    would you have despaired over the actions of these men?
    Yes, but they have the spiritual authority to do so. And ignorant people in Pakistan, do NOT.

    And btw - the prophet only destroyed the idols because they were a threat to the very existence of monotheism.

    We already have a strong body of monotheism now, so these idols are not a threat and do NOT merit destruction.

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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    if they were ignorant they wouldn't be going out and destroying the valentine day's rubbish.

    If they were ignorant they would join in with the stupidity of the day
    Accept the changes in your life and they will accept you too

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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    That is wrong

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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    what's wrong?
    Accept the changes in your life and they will accept you too

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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Muslimah
    if they were ignorant they wouldn't be going out and destroying the valentine day's rubbish.

    If they were ignorant they would join in with the stupidity of the day
    You have NO right to judge other people. Those shop owners are selling cards to married couples' as well as non-married couples. It is their decision. They are NOT forcing them on you. You have no right to destroy them.

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    : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    funny, how the same people who allow the govt to make laws about seatbelts, speed limits, anti-racist behaviour, etc

    all laws designed to help everyone

    will raise objections when a muslim does something to prevent them from harming their souls

    "you have no right"!!! what exactly are we all to do? live and let live?

    is not man responsible for helping his brother? or is that only for things that we can see some immediate benefit?
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    Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    funny, how the same people who allow the govt to make laws about seatbelts, speed limits, anti-racist behaviour, etc

    all laws designed to help everyone

    will raise objections when a muslim does something to prevent them from harming their souls

    "you have no right"!!! what exactly are we all to do? live and let live?

    is not man responsible for helping his brother? or is that only for things that we can see some immediate benefit?
    Should they also be allowed to burn down churches which pose an even more significant threat to the souls of Muslims?

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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Is there in Islam such a thing as a harmless pleasure?

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    : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Treinta
    Should they also be allowed to burn down churches which pose an even more significant threat to the souls of Muslims?
    lets stick to the issue at hand

    no, muslims are not allowed to burn down churches
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    Re: : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    lets stick to the issue at hand

    no, muslims are not allowed to burn down churches
    Well then, do not burn down or destroy peoples' businesses.

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    Re: : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    lets stick to the issue at hand

    no, muslims are not allowed to burn down churches
    Why not? Isn't a church a mortal threat to the soul of a Muslim (the Saudi's apparently think so)? Certainly more so than a Valentine's card.

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    Re: : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Treinta
    Why not? Isn't a church a mortal threat to the soul of a Muslim? Certainly more so than a Valentine's card.
    Why oh why oh why is this forum soo full of ignorant extremists????

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    : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget
    Is there in Islam such a thing as a harmless pleasure?
    yes, with your spouse, you are allowed to play foolish games, but the problem here is that there is a difference in approach to life

    a muslim realizes we are not here to have fun, though we can have fun while we are here

    kafirs believe we are here to have fun, even at the expense of our divine purpose of existence

    this is one of my main issues with evolution, its not just that its about us coming from monkeys, but it alters man's thinking as to his purpose on earth

    believing we came from Adam gives us a divine purpose of life

    believing that we are nothing more than glorified monkeys basically makes us nothing more than a specimen in a petri dish, and that this life is just one more clog in the wheel of evolution
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    Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    yes, exactly

    aside from the paganism of the holiday (as if that is the epitome of the expression of love, there is no love without valentines day), it is a holiday for "lovers", which implies that it is not a holiday for "parents", husbands & wives or any of that

    just lovers, any loves, fornicators, sodomites, lesbos, grave-diggers, pedophiles, adulterers, you name it
    Love is much more than what you make of it.

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    : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    no matt

    your "civilized world" have distorted love to be romance and lust, instead of family, maturity, respect, sacrifice and committment
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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Assalamu alaykum.

    In my understanding, the Sunnah for these sort of cases is that the people must purchase the cards first and then destroy them. If the State's the problem then Muslims must change that first. Should the State be politically pressured by foreign entities then those entities are considered to have declared an act of war by means of coercion.

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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    All excuses..they are hooligans destroying someones property, no different to some hoodies doing the same thing.
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    : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    to label people without looking deeper than a headline, has to be the epitome of the statement "ostriching or sticking your head in the sand". Many movements, from ghandi to martin luther king, were involved with various types of civil disobedience

    and the protectors of the status quo said the same thing, hooligans, criminals, we must have law and order, and other sheepish responses

    i am not saying that tearing up embassies over cartoons is a good thing, but one must understand that oppression is worse than slaughter, disprespecting the prophet is a grave injustice to any and all muslims (except those who are westernized and think its not big deal to disrespect our prophet)

    similarly, sept 11 has a cause, and sept 11 was the effect

    euromerica has been oppressing people for hundreds of years, and during the 60's people thought they had removed the shackles of euromerican oppression, but what they found out is that euromerica is indeed conspiratorial and they conspired to leave their colonies in the hands of oppressive governments. Governments that were much more oppressive than their colonial masters. This gave Euromerica the best of both worlds

    They no longer had to dirty their hands by being known as interlopers, oppressors, colonialists, they could impress the world with their human rights and freedom and democracy and liberty

    in the meanwhile, their colonial puppets were at hand, denying their own people the rights that the colonial masters shouted from the highest mountains

    so now, in 2000, the world sees the evil of the oppressors, as the curtain has been pulled from the colonial puppets, whether it was mubarak, or fahd, or musharraf, and the people are awakening

    and this awakening is manifesting itself in different arenas, this valentines thing is such a small blip on the screen, but it is just one more village, one more town, one more area what is awakening to shed the chains of kufr oppression, as displayed by something relatively insignificant as a valentines day card

    the revolution will not be televised

    it will be live
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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Owen
    Assalamu alaykum.

    In my understanding, the Sunnah for these sort of cases is that the people must purchase the cards first and then destroy them. If the State's the problem then Muslims must change that first. Should the State be politically pressured by foreign entities then those entities are considered to have declared an act of war by means of coercion.

    We Muslims are all students and advisors to one another, so please don't hesitate to correct me.
    to purchase them would be to aid in the sin by giving benefit to the shop keeper...

    the prophet (Saw) said if u see evil remove it with your hand IF you cannot forbid it with your tongue IF you cannot then hate it in your heart and this is the weakest of iman...

    if you can stop it physically do it, as long as their is no bigger evil that occurs...
    And Allh has set forth an example for those who believe, the wife of Fir'aun when she said: "My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Fir'aun and his work, and save me from the people who are Zlimn


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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    This is not civil disobedience. This is vandalism and theft.

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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    I see no harm in Valentines day. All it does is encourage love between people.
    What 2 consulting adults do in privite is between them and Allah. Not you.

    If Muslims find it unacceptable, then fine, don't participate in it. Don't how-ever try and impose you beliefs on others who do want to celebrate it regardless of how wrong you might see it.

    These people have no right to do what they did. Its nothing more then mindless vandalism.

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    Re: : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    no matt

    your "civilized world" have distorted love to be romance and lust, instead of family, maturity, respect, sacrifice and committment
    "My" civilized world? You don't live in the civilized world?

    I have been traveling in many countries and have learned that there is lust everywhere. In the Free World, women are generally better protected than elsewhere: if the husband wants to divorce because he lusts after another girl or woman, he cannot just dump her. How is that in your world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel
    I see no harm in Valentines day. All it does is encourage love between people.
    What 2 consulting adults do in privite is between them and Allah. Not you.

    If Muslims find it unacceptable, then fine, don't participate in it. Don't how-ever try and impose you beliefs on others who do want to celebrate it regardless of how wrong you might see it.

    These people have no right to do what they did. Its nothing more then mindless vandalism.
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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Islamic world at the moment in about as Uncivlised at you can get.

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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    Are you muslim?
    a question that has been asked many times
    And Allh has set forth an example for those who believe, the wife of Fir'aun when she said: "My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Fir'aun and his work, and save me from the people who are Zlimn


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    : Re: : Re: : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Mat Amoros
    "My" civilized world? You don't live in the civilized world?
    i have a problem with labelling many of the things i see in my society as civilized

    just like i have a problem labelling much of what you may see as uncivilized

    lemme guess? you are of european ancestry
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    Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Were they single and bitter?

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    : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel
    Islamic world at the moment in about as Uncivlised at you can get.
    fine

    but are YOU muslim?
    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak
    Are you muslim?
    wow, how many times i've been asked that.
    Does the quranic verse in my sig or that i say always say PBUH after i mention the name of a Prophet, not make it obvious?

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    Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel
    wow, how many times i've been asked that.
    Does the quranic verse in my sig or that i say always say PBUH after i mention the name of a Prophet, not make it obvious?
    no
    And Allh has set forth an example for those who believe, the wife of Fir'aun when she said: "My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Fir'aun and his work, and save me from the people who are Zlimn


    There is no nobility in anyone who lacks faith.

    The wise man knows that the only fitting price for his soul is a place in Paradise.


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    : Re: : Re: Muslims destroy Valentines cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel
    wow, how many times i've been asked that.
    Does the quranic verse in my sig or that i say always say PBUH after i mention the name of a Prophet, not make it obvious?
    if it was that obvious, would i be asking?

    i do not believe i have ever asked irhab if he is muslim

    nor have i asked many of the muslims here if they are muslim

    i do not know you, so for you to say it is obvious really shows that it must not be obvious

    so i will ask you again, are you muslim?
    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
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